Pro Pits - AMA Vs MXGP

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Can anyone tell me why the MXGP pit set ups are so much better than the AMA rigs?

If I were a potential series or team sponsor that got brought out to a race, looking at these awesome MXGP rigs, I would just write the check because I know the team will represent my brand well.

I don't think there is a lot more money in MXGP, so why why why don't we see amazing rigs like this in the pits at an AMA national?


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They do look amazing. Almost going the F1 route. Albeit they are more closed off and less accessible for the fans. They also receive more variant weather.
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Brent wrote:
[url=https://www.vitalmx.com/features/GP-Bits-MXGP-of-the-Czech-Republic,7434]Luxury[/url] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/08/08/504867/s1200_max_0026MXGP_CzechRep_Loket21_MxJuly_1138.jpg_339311.jpg[/img] Can anyone tell me why the MXGP pit set ups are so much better than the AMA rigs? If I were a potential series...
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Can anyone tell me why the MXGP pit set ups are so much better than the AMA rigs?

If I were a potential series or team sponsor that got brought out to a race, looking at these awesome MXGP rigs, I would just write the check because I know the team will represent my brand well.

I don't think there is a lot more money in MXGP, so why why why don't we see amazing rigs like this in the pits at an AMA national?


My personal take on this is that i would be surprised if the costs for this rig are being recouped via additional sponsorship.
In addition i find it tough to see that money is available for these types of infrastructures, but at the same time HRC offered no salary for riders to fill in for the injured Evans.

Having said that, the Iceone Husqvarna team has also a very high end rig which they introduced i think last year. At first i had the same reaction as above, but in an interview the teammanager explaiend that the hightech rig was very quick to setup compared to the day it usually cost to set up their former rig (and break it down again). Those saved days was worth a lot during a season with 18 gp's which i kind of can imagine.
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roninho wrote:
My personal take on this is that i would be surprised if the costs for this rig are being recouped via additional sponsorship. In addition i...
My personal take on this is that i would be surprised if the costs for this rig are being recouped via additional sponsorship.
In addition i find it tough to see that money is available for these types of infrastructures, but at the same time HRC offered no salary for riders to fill in for the injured Evans.

Having said that, the Iceone Husqvarna team has also a very high end rig which they introduced i think last year. At first i had the same reaction as above, but in an interview the teammanager explaiend that the hightech rig was very quick to setup compared to the day it usually cost to set up their former rig (and break it down again). Those saved days was worth a lot during a season with 18 gp's which i kind of can imagine.
Yup. + they need less crew to get the job done.

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Can’t see the bikes or anyone working on them. No thanks. Looks kind of cool though
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xrmark wrote:
Can’t see the bikes or anyone working on them. No thanks. Looks kind of cool though
It's the hospitality truck
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It's the hospitality truck
Makes a hell of a lot more sense haha
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8/8/2021 1:10pm Edited Date/Time 8/8/2021 1:10pm
Seems like pits in America cater to kids. mxgp cater to adults.
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8/8/2021 1:14pm
Seems like pits in America cater to kids. mxgp cater to adults.
American pits cater to the family. Hitting the pits at a race is always fun. Check out all the bikes, see your favorite pros, and some new stickers for the fridge. They’re fun
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Pits and riders were open the entire time at the 2016 Charlotte gp and was awesome as you could literally stand 10 feet away from the riders and the bikes unto end of nite as we were in and out of pots all nite!! Way cool!!
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What do these teams do for the over sea races or the races in Asia? Logistically it all sounds like a nightmare.
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Plenty of money to do that when they don't pay the riders.
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Pits and riders were open the entire time at the 2016 Charlotte gp and was awesome as you could literally stand 10 feet away from the...
Pits and riders were open the entire time at the 2016 Charlotte gp and was awesome as you could literally stand 10 feet away from the riders and the bikes unto end of nite as we were in and out of pots all nite!! Way cool!!












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8/8/2021 5:36pm Edited Date/Time 8/8/2021 5:37pm
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Shaned9326 wrote:
Pits and riders were open the entire time at the 2016 Charlotte gp and was awesome as you could literally stand 10 feet away from the...
Pits and riders were open the entire time at the 2016 Charlotte gp and was awesome as you could literally stand 10 feet away from the riders and the bikes unto end of nite as we were in and out of pots all nite!! Way cool!!
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Thread perfectly hijacked. Beautifully. What were we talking about? Oh yeah pit’s, what was the question?
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8/8/2021 6:13pm Edited Date/Time 8/8/2021 6:15pm
I agree those rigs are bad ass. But as far as brand exposure I’m not sure they have a very good selling point (as a pit rig not a hospitality rig as Honda uses it)
I wouldn’t pay big money to put my product or logo on a bike that the fans can’t see because they are roped off behind glass.
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I agree those rigs are bad ass. But as far as brand exposure I’m not sure they have a very good selling point (as a pit...
I agree those rigs are bad ass. But as far as brand exposure I’m not sure they have a very good selling point (as a pit rig not a hospitality rig as Honda uses it)
I wouldn’t pay big money to put my product or logo on a bike that the fans can’t see because they are roped off behind glass.
Euros are more of a private club, if your are not the owner of a company whose decals are on their bikes, trucks and clothing then you’re not welcome anyways. VIP
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8/8/2021 6:18pm Edited Date/Time 8/8/2021 6:18pm
ElliotB16 wrote:
What do these teams do for the over sea races or the races in Asia? Logistically it all sounds like a nightmare.
They don't bring their rig and hospitality trailer obviously. Everything is shipped in crate by air transport and pit are set up in tent most of the venue

Photo are from GP Bits






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I don’t see what’s wrong with how the AMA pits are. I enjoy swinging by the trucks and seeing the bikes. GP pits do have a cool look though.
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8/9/2021 1:03am Edited Date/Time 8/9/2021 4:47am
Most here would be aware of the Husky rig in the GPs - a precursor to the Honda Hospitality set up.

Echoing ronihos post : I can't recall where I saw it, but there was a good article / video a while ago about the Husky set up. Besides how trick it is, a big point about it that Antti Pyrhonen put forward about it was how quick and easy it was to set up, pack up and clean. It was a hell of a Lot of man hours saved that he quoted. He compared it to the change from a bunch of vans, to Big Rigs, so long ago, in efficiency and costs.

There's going to be more of those things, that's for sure.

Conversely, I've been following Willies Boy, Sean Simpson's Vlog. But, even as a Privateer, he has a fancy ( but not large) enclosed marquee, with a bike as a display bike, an (I think you'd call it a 'Fun Hauler' type) transport trailer, Big van, An RV (that I think Willie and his Wife travel in), so even a Privateer can have a bit of a travelling Caravan associated with them.

Here's a Race Transporter from 1972 that created a bit of a sensation at the time :


The GP Fly Away Crates and Work Stations are so, so trick. They don't f**k around in The World Championships, because, well, It Is The World Championships. Quite a few of the EMX Pit set ups are noteworthy, by any standard.
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8/9/2021 1:44am
Seems like pits in America cater to kids. mxgp cater to adults.
Also the size of the trackside signage caters for viewing pretty much only by adults. Smaller adults wouldn't even see over the signage
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The usa nationals still use ez ups for mechanics area and banners for start backdrop. Time they match or surpass the GP infrastructure. The more professional the better for the sport in my book. Get over the prize money thing. The high end hospitality facilities are for the sponsors that pay far more than the usa riders get from the track owners for prize money. Seems to be a lot of usa is better chest pumping in this thread yet sticking their head in the sand to the truth. If you think the GP guys have it easier or make less money your delusional and just a prejudice American. The GP’s are far better presentation for our sport.
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8/9/2021 5:02pm Edited Date/Time 8/9/2021 5:04pm
GForce MMG wrote:
The usa nationals still use ez ups for mechanics area and banners for start backdrop. Time they match or surpass the GP infrastructure. The more professional...
The usa nationals still use ez ups for mechanics area and banners for start backdrop. Time they match or surpass the GP infrastructure. The more professional the better for the sport in my book. Get over the prize money thing. The high end hospitality facilities are for the sponsors that pay far more than the usa riders get from the track owners for prize money. Seems to be a lot of usa is better chest pumping in this thread yet sticking their head in the sand to the truth. If you think the GP guys have it easier or make less money your delusional and just a prejudice American. The GP’s are far better presentation for our sport.
Most of what you are saying is right, but not all.

I have just a very small view into who really runs these teams, and i think you have former riders and mechanics running race operations and logistics for teams in the USA.

These people are not marketing or business people, so you get less vision and more basic pit presentations.

This sport is in a sponsorship crisis now, monster and Red Bull has teams by the balls. Put up more sophisticated pit areas and cater to corporations looking to spend money on teams.

European teams seem to have the advantage in Powersports elegance and style when it comes to how they present this sport to outside companies.


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GForce MMG wrote:
The usa nationals still use ez ups for mechanics area and banners for start backdrop. Time they match or surpass the GP infrastructure. The more professional...
The usa nationals still use ez ups for mechanics area and banners for start backdrop. Time they match or surpass the GP infrastructure. The more professional the better for the sport in my book. Get over the prize money thing. The high end hospitality facilities are for the sponsors that pay far more than the usa riders get from the track owners for prize money. Seems to be a lot of usa is better chest pumping in this thread yet sticking their head in the sand to the truth. If you think the GP guys have it easier or make less money your delusional and just a prejudice American. The GP’s are far better presentation for our sport.
Brent wrote:
Most of what you are saying is right, but not all. I have just a very small view into who really runs these teams, and i...
Most of what you are saying is right, but not all.

I have just a very small view into who really runs these teams, and i think you have former riders and mechanics running race operations and logistics for teams in the USA.

These people are not marketing or business people, so you get less vision and more basic pit presentations.

This sport is in a sponsorship crisis now, monster and Red Bull has teams by the balls. Put up more sophisticated pit areas and cater to corporations looking to spend money on teams.

European teams seem to have the advantage in Powersports elegance and style when it comes to how they present this sport to outside companies.


Sorry but i dont see any major non mx sponsors at HRC. Sure it looks better in presentation compared to us teams, but when you dont get additionel sponsorship in return is it then really a step ahead?
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These hospitality rigs like the Honda one you see mainly at the Road race GPs. They will use them if available at a MXGP if dates allow and close to their base.
But yes the pits are always a big show in Europe.
And Formula 1 is the top.
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