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7/17/2021 2:29pm
A month ago you were corrected about your misconception of "max torque at zero RMP" an yet here you are spewing the same line. Jeez..
MDana87 wrote:
where? this I gotta read, it's a physics thing.
You’re dead right, it’s a physics thing.

At 0 rpm, the engine, no matter if electric or ICE, is shut down and is not working. They can't produce torque if they're not working. At zero RPM your motor will have zero torque. If your motor is not energized it cannot produce motion or develop torque.

Can you elaborate further?
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Im definitely getting a bit frustrated by the teasers...that Honda emx bike that pops up occasionally to do a demo at a Japanese race, the Yamaha chassis based EMX powertrain video...But no news at all apart from that..
I would have bought an Alta...an Australian distributor was appointed and he wanted to have a demo day at my local track...but then Alta failed just before any bikes were shipped here.

I am trying to remain without preconceived notions as to how I will like or not like an emx bike.
Ive only ever read here offerings from Alta owners who love their bikes, so that is super encouraging .
But what I can say with absolute certainty, if I had an EMX bike I would be down the back paddock on the property where I live right now, cutting laps on an awesome natural terrain track..cant do that on my ice bikes for noise reasons.
So instead Im sitting on the crapper having a beer and typing this!
Having a ball ( not! ) during Victoria lockdown number 5...all the tracks are closed and we can be arrested and charged if we leave our homes and travel more than 5km for any resson other than the 5 edicts..
So yeah...Id be down the back having a blast...I cannot wait to get an emx bike!
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7/17/2021 5:54pm
PJRAUS wrote:
Im definitely getting a bit frustrated by the teasers...that Honda emx bike that pops up occasionally to do a demo at a Japanese race, the Yamaha...
Im definitely getting a bit frustrated by the teasers...that Honda emx bike that pops up occasionally to do a demo at a Japanese race, the Yamaha chassis based EMX powertrain video...But no news at all apart from that..
I would have bought an Alta...an Australian distributor was appointed and he wanted to have a demo day at my local track...but then Alta failed just before any bikes were shipped here.

I am trying to remain without preconceived notions as to how I will like or not like an emx bike.
Ive only ever read here offerings from Alta owners who love their bikes, so that is super encouraging .
But what I can say with absolute certainty, if I had an EMX bike I would be down the back paddock on the property where I live right now, cutting laps on an awesome natural terrain track..cant do that on my ice bikes for noise reasons.
So instead Im sitting on the crapper having a beer and typing this!
Having a ball ( not! ) during Victoria lockdown number 5...all the tracks are closed and we can be arrested and charged if we leave our homes and travel more than 5km for any resson other than the 5 edicts..
So yeah...Id be down the back having a blast...I cannot wait to get an emx bike!
I agree, I feel Yamaha will soon pull another 1998 and suddenly an E-MX bike will appear!
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PJRAUS wrote:
Im definitely getting a bit frustrated by the teasers...that Honda emx bike that pops up occasionally to do a demo at a Japanese race, the Yamaha...
Im definitely getting a bit frustrated by the teasers...that Honda emx bike that pops up occasionally to do a demo at a Japanese race, the Yamaha chassis based EMX powertrain video...But no news at all apart from that..
I would have bought an Alta...an Australian distributor was appointed and he wanted to have a demo day at my local track...but then Alta failed just before any bikes were shipped here.

I am trying to remain without preconceived notions as to how I will like or not like an emx bike.
Ive only ever read here offerings from Alta owners who love their bikes, so that is super encouraging .
But what I can say with absolute certainty, if I had an EMX bike I would be down the back paddock on the property where I live right now, cutting laps on an awesome natural terrain track..cant do that on my ice bikes for noise reasons.
So instead Im sitting on the crapper having a beer and typing this!
Having a ball ( not! ) during Victoria lockdown number 5...all the tracks are closed and we can be arrested and charged if we leave our homes and travel more than 5km for any resson other than the 5 edicts..
So yeah...Id be down the back having a blast...I cannot wait to get an emx bike!
I agree, I feel Yamaha will soon pull another 1998 and suddenly an E-MX bike will appear!
I shure hooe so..I will be straight in to get one..
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Anyone who is for electric taking over combustion is not thinking clearly. Answer some important questions and ask yourself who is pushing electric and why (money and control)

1) Where does electricity come from?
2) How are batteries made? Where does the material come from? If you answered mined, how much supply do we have? Does it come from foreign countries?
3) Without electric vehicles CA is asking residents to cut back on electric use because of the heat wave.
4) When a battery dies and it will ( guarantee you have a cell phone or drill that stay charged 1/2 as long) where do we put them?
5) Can you explain Net Zero for Carbon use? Doesnt make much sense does it

If you want to ride electric fine, if you want to ride a bicycle fine, but quit saying "progress" and trying to force them into a great sport that is built around sound, smell, and taste.
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crt32 wrote:
Anyone who is for electric taking over combustion is not thinking clearly. Answer some important questions and ask yourself who is pushing electric and why (money...
Anyone who is for electric taking over combustion is not thinking clearly. Answer some important questions and ask yourself who is pushing electric and why (money and control)

1) Where does electricity come from?
2) How are batteries made? Where does the material come from? If you answered mined, how much supply do we have? Does it come from foreign countries?
3) Without electric vehicles CA is asking residents to cut back on electric use because of the heat wave.
4) When a battery dies and it will ( guarantee you have a cell phone or drill that stay charged 1/2 as long) where do we put them?
5) Can you explain Net Zero for Carbon use? Doesnt make much sense does it

If you want to ride electric fine, if you want to ride a bicycle fine, but quit saying "progress" and trying to force them into a great sport that is built around sound, smell, and taste.
This is about lap times, not politics.
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7/17/2021 9:56pm Edited Date/Time 7/17/2021 9:59pm
crt32 wrote:
Anyone who is for electric taking over combustion is not thinking clearly. Answer some important questions and ask yourself who is pushing electric and why (money...
Anyone who is for electric taking over combustion is not thinking clearly. Answer some important questions and ask yourself who is pushing electric and why (money and control)

1) Where does electricity come from?
2) How are batteries made? Where does the material come from? If you answered mined, how much supply do we have? Does it come from foreign countries?
3) Without electric vehicles CA is asking residents to cut back on electric use because of the heat wave.
4) When a battery dies and it will ( guarantee you have a cell phone or drill that stay charged 1/2 as long) where do we put them?
5) Can you explain Net Zero for Carbon use? Doesnt make much sense does it

If you want to ride electric fine, if you want to ride a bicycle fine, but quit saying "progress" and trying to force them into a great sport that is built around sound, smell, and taste.
Look I totally agree with all your points butI still want an emx bike because it will unlock an amazing place to ride for me
It will be the bike I ride the most, simply because I will be able to ride it at home any opportunity I get during daylight hours..that would be lifechanging for me, but other people's milemay vary.
An added bonus may be substantially reduced maintenance work and cost, butI have no way of knowing that till I can get an emx bike and putin the hours.
Just saying again..I agree with all your points and would offer my opinion that the entire reneawble energy initiative is just a money making scam for those pushing it and that even a cursory glance at the mathematics and simple realities will affirm that..
An emx bike for me is primarily about riding when I want at home..

PSI am totally over the space bar on my galaxy pad pop up keyboard not regeristering when i hit it..
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Electric motors just aren't as ridable as gas..... when you are getting max torque at zero rpm, and that is a LOT of torque, you have...
Electric motors just aren't as ridable as gas..... when you are getting max torque at zero rpm, and that is a LOT of torque, you have to tone things down via software to make them more ridable... then you end up with a wonky "powerband" of sorts....

Love how quiet they are for certain areas, but enormous amount of wonky power does not make for a great track bike.... then the recharge and cool down times...... electric does have its place... but actually racing MX might not be one of them....
Have you ridden one?

I have and have a ton of experience ridding ICE bikes. Was a pro back in the 80's and been a motocross trainer for decades.

eBikes are definitely easier to ride than ICE bikes. You can map the delivery of torque for your riding style. You never over rev or bog because of the single gear.
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gt80rider wrote:
Electric motors just aren't as ridable as gas..... when you are getting max torque at zero rpm, and that is a LOT of torque, you have...
Electric motors just aren't as ridable as gas..... when you are getting max torque at zero rpm, and that is a LOT of torque, you have to tone things down via software to make them more ridable... then you end up with a wonky "powerband" of sorts....

Love how quiet they are for certain areas, but enormous amount of wonky power does not make for a great track bike.... then the recharge and cool down times...... electric does have its place... but actually racing MX might not be one of them....
Yes, you can get max torque at zero RPM and it would be almost impossible to control. However, that's why electric vehicles have CONTROLLERS.

The theory behind max torque at zero rpm is based on the fact that the when two magnets, one on a rotating shaft and the other stationary, are oriented so that their magnetic fields are 90 degrees from each other you'll get maximum attraction or repulsion (depending on the polarity). Since one magnet is secured to a rotating shaft, this attraction/repulsion force will create a torque about the shaft axis (you don't need movement to create a torque). Therefore, again, with the proper field orientation maximum torque (for that motor) can be achieved at zero rpm.

The simplest electric motor uses a permanent magnet on the rotating shaft and is called the rotor. This PM therefore produces it's own constant magnetic field/force. The second magnetic force is created by stationary wire windings and steel laminates properly configured to produce the appropriate electro magnetic field whos strength depends on the amount of electrical CURRENT flowing through it. It's called the stator.

The various windings within the stator are energized in sequence by the CONTROLLER to produce a rotating magnetic field, again the strength of which is proportional to the amount of CURRENT the controller provides. This interaction between this rotating magnetic field and the motors rotor's permanent magnets creates the torque which spins the motor and is quite variable depending on the CURRENT flowing through the stator which is determined by the CONTROLLER which in turn is controlled by throttle position and various trim algorithms. The controller uses various sensors and or firmware to determine the magnetic orientation of the rotor and uses this data to time its sequencing so that the two fields are typically 90 degrees apart, therefore maximizing efficiency and torque per amp.

Speed/rpm is determined by how fast the controller moves/switches the rotating magnetic field about the spin axis and is also controlled by throttle position and lots of various configurable algorithms which are intended to alter/fine tune the motors output characteristics.

Are there electric bikes that are uncontrollable? Sure . . . . . with a big enough motor and not enough current control an electric motor will be a handful. However, they either don't have a sophisticated enough CONTROLLER to tame them or the proper knowledge/tools to properly program them.
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gt80rider wrote:
Electric motors just aren't as ridable as gas..... when you are getting max torque at zero rpm, and that is a LOT of torque, you have...
Electric motors just aren't as ridable as gas..... when you are getting max torque at zero rpm, and that is a LOT of torque, you have to tone things down via software to make them more ridable... then you end up with a wonky "powerband" of sorts....

Love how quiet they are for certain areas, but enormous amount of wonky power does not make for a great track bike.... then the recharge and cool down times...... electric does have its place... but actually racing MX might not be one of them....
mark911 wrote:
Yes, you can get max torque at zero RPM and it would be almost impossible to control. However, that's why electric vehicles have CONTROLLERS. The theory...
Yes, you can get max torque at zero RPM and it would be almost impossible to control. However, that's why electric vehicles have CONTROLLERS.

The theory behind max torque at zero rpm is based on the fact that the when two magnets, one on a rotating shaft and the other stationary, are oriented so that their magnetic fields are 90 degrees from each other you'll get maximum attraction or repulsion (depending on the polarity). Since one magnet is secured to a rotating shaft, this attraction/repulsion force will create a torque about the shaft axis (you don't need movement to create a torque). Therefore, again, with the proper field orientation maximum torque (for that motor) can be achieved at zero rpm.

The simplest electric motor uses a permanent magnet on the rotating shaft and is called the rotor. This PM therefore produces it's own constant magnetic field/force. The second magnetic force is created by stationary wire windings and steel laminates properly configured to produce the appropriate electro magnetic field whos strength depends on the amount of electrical CURRENT flowing through it. It's called the stator.

The various windings within the stator are energized in sequence by the CONTROLLER to produce a rotating magnetic field, again the strength of which is proportional to the amount of CURRENT the controller provides. This interaction between this rotating magnetic field and the motors rotor's permanent magnets creates the torque which spins the motor and is quite variable depending on the CURRENT flowing through the stator which is determined by the CONTROLLER which in turn is controlled by throttle position and various trim algorithms. The controller uses various sensors and or firmware to determine the magnetic orientation of the rotor and uses this data to time its sequencing so that the two fields are typically 90 degrees apart, therefore maximizing efficiency and torque per amp.

Speed/rpm is determined by how fast the controller moves/switches the rotating magnetic field about the spin axis and is also controlled by throttle position and lots of various configurable algorithms which are intended to alter/fine tune the motors output characteristics.

Are there electric bikes that are uncontrollable? Sure . . . . . with a big enough motor and not enough current control an electric motor will be a handful. However, they either don't have a sophisticated enough CONTROLLER to tame them or the proper knowledge/tools to properly program them.
Gret information!
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Ask Ronnie Renner about the future of E-Bikes.
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crt32 wrote:
Anyone who is for electric taking over combustion is not thinking clearly. Answer some important questions and ask yourself who is pushing electric and why (money...
Anyone who is for electric taking over combustion is not thinking clearly. Answer some important questions and ask yourself who is pushing electric and why (money and control)

1) Where does electricity come from?
2) How are batteries made? Where does the material come from? If you answered mined, how much supply do we have? Does it come from foreign countries?
3) Without electric vehicles CA is asking residents to cut back on electric use because of the heat wave.
4) When a battery dies and it will ( guarantee you have a cell phone or drill that stay charged 1/2 as long) where do we put them?
5) Can you explain Net Zero for Carbon use? Doesnt make much sense does it

If you want to ride electric fine, if you want to ride a bicycle fine, but quit saying "progress" and trying to force them into a great sport that is built around sound, smell, and taste.
I think you are the one not clearly thinking.

You state that the sport was "built around sound, smell and taste."

Those are all bi-products. The sport was built around riding a dirt bike. Just like the founders of Alta, who were not fast dirt bike riders and wanted to create a bike that was easier to ride fast. Pure and simple.
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The KTM E-XC is VERY controllable, now, it's not a beast, actually it would want double the power, but based on riding an E-XC for many hours I suspect the Alta is as controllable, just faster.

The 2022 CRF250R is not released yet, maybe it won't be as Honda will release their E-CR Smile hahah, I will be first in line.
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teggers wrote:
Ask Ronnie Renner about the future of E-Bikes.
That was a brutal crash. I certainly can't speak for Renner but just judging by the footage it's easy to see what happened there. Regardless how good of a rider you are, if it's muscle memory for you to rely on the clutch while riding, there's going to be a learning curve when riding an electric bike. When "oh shit" moments happen and you don't have time to properly think, your muscle memory kicks in and in Renner's case I'm assuming he reached out for a clutch lever that wasn't there. Rider's that barely use the clutch and rely more so on throttle control will have an easier time adapting to an electric bike.

I rarely ever touched the clutch while riding 4-strokes so I've developed pretty good throttle control over the years and the Alta was still a bit of a learning curve for me just due to the massive low end torque. Picture riding slow on flat ground on an ICE bike and you blip the throttle to stand the bike up on a wheelie. That same throttle blip on an Alta will either break the rear wheel loose or loop the bike out in map 3 or 4. After you get used to riding the bike and develop some muscle memory it is a game changer the amount of control over the rear wheel you have and being able to make micro adjustments with the throttle to get maximum traction.
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crt32 wrote:
Anyone who is for electric taking over combustion is not thinking clearly. Answer some important questions and ask yourself who is pushing electric and why (money...
Anyone who is for electric taking over combustion is not thinking clearly. Answer some important questions and ask yourself who is pushing electric and why (money and control)

1) Where does electricity come from?
2) How are batteries made? Where does the material come from? If you answered mined, how much supply do we have? Does it come from foreign countries?
3) Without electric vehicles CA is asking residents to cut back on electric use because of the heat wave.
4) When a battery dies and it will ( guarantee you have a cell phone or drill that stay charged 1/2 as long) where do we put them?
5) Can you explain Net Zero for Carbon use? Doesnt make much sense does it

If you want to ride electric fine, if you want to ride a bicycle fine, but quit saying "progress" and trying to force them into a great sport that is built around sound, smell, and taste.
Zoom wrote:
I think you are the one not clearly thinking. You state that the sport was "built around sound, smell and taste." Those are all bi-products. The...
I think you are the one not clearly thinking.

You state that the sport was "built around sound, smell and taste."

Those are all bi-products. The sport was built around riding a dirt bike. Just like the founders of Alta, who were not fast dirt bike riders and wanted to create a bike that was easier to ride fast. Pure and simple.
Is a BMX bike a dirt bike? I said if you want to ride one fine, but it's a completely different sport and machine...quit trying to combine them.
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crt32 wrote:
Is a BMX bike a dirt bike? I said if you want to ride one fine, but it's a completely different sport and machine...quit trying to...
Is a BMX bike a dirt bike? I said if you want to ride one fine, but it's a completely different sport and machine...quit trying to combine them.
That's Racist.
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7/19/2021 8:41am Edited Date/Time 7/19/2021 8:42am
I smoked a bunch of 450s and 250s on my MXR a few months ago. At the start you'll see me pull a holeshot uphill against a 2020 YZ450F

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How fast can I go with one of these? $549, 30 lbs, swap and swap and swap. Maybe stack 2 of them in a modern chassis? I barely know an amp from a volt, but this can't be that hard.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/12V-100AH-Lithium-Battery-Replaces-Xantrex-P…


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I smoked a bunch of 450s and 250s on my MXR a few months ago. At the start you'll see me pull a holeshot uphill against...
I smoked a bunch of 450s and 250s on my MXR a few months ago. At the start you'll see me pull a holeshot uphill against a 2020 YZ450F

Please Bryan, you are hurting your own cause Laughing That's exactly what all these sand baggers are scared of.
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I smoked a bunch of 450s and 250s on my MXR a few months ago. At the start you'll see me pull a holeshot uphill against...
I smoked a bunch of 450s and 250s on my MXR a few months ago. At the start you'll see me pull a holeshot uphill against a 2020 YZ450F

Good video! My son loves that track. You look like you're moving pretty good. What class are you racing? I see you're lapping riders. The bike looks just as fast as the other bikes you're racing imo. Not sure your bike is actually faster per say. I think you're more than likely a much better rider than the guys you raced. Just looking at the first guy you past and he looked like a beginner/novice. Just being honest. That being said, the bike looks more than capable! Not sure I would say it's faster than 250's/450's. Then again, I've never ridden one. I'm not for or against them. I'd prefer to have them as an option as opposed to getting rid of gas bikes all together. I would be interested to see how it stacks up with two equal riders on a harder/more technical track.
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Good video! My son loves that track. You look like you're moving pretty good. What class are you racing? I see you're lapping riders. The bike...
Good video! My son loves that track. You look like you're moving pretty good. What class are you racing? I see you're lapping riders. The bike looks just as fast as the other bikes you're racing imo. Not sure your bike is actually faster per say. I think you're more than likely a much better rider than the guys you raced. Just looking at the first guy you past and he looked like a beginner/novice. Just being honest. That being said, the bike looks more than capable! Not sure I would say it's faster than 250's/450's. Then again, I've never ridden one. I'm not for or against them. I'd prefer to have them as an option as opposed to getting rid of gas bikes all together. I would be interested to see how it stacks up with two equal riders on a harder/more technical track.
That was a casual race. This was an open class but that guy on the YZ450F was racing the Vet Expert class that day. The bike is way faster than a 250f. Its not even close.
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ZOSICK wrote:
Good video! My son loves that track. You look like you're moving pretty good. What class are you racing? I see you're lapping riders. The bike...
Good video! My son loves that track. You look like you're moving pretty good. What class are you racing? I see you're lapping riders. The bike looks just as fast as the other bikes you're racing imo. Not sure your bike is actually faster per say. I think you're more than likely a much better rider than the guys you raced. Just looking at the first guy you past and he looked like a beginner/novice. Just being honest. That being said, the bike looks more than capable! Not sure I would say it's faster than 250's/450's. Then again, I've never ridden one. I'm not for or against them. I'd prefer to have them as an option as opposed to getting rid of gas bikes all together. I would be interested to see how it stacks up with two equal riders on a harder/more technical track.
That was a casual race. This was an open class but that guy on the YZ450F was racing the Vet Expert class that day. The bike...
That was a casual race. This was an open class but that guy on the YZ450F was racing the Vet Expert class that day. The bike is way faster than a 250f. Its not even close.
Like I said, it looks like it moves out pretty good! You're also a pretty good rider from the looks of it! It's too bad Alta is gone, it would have been another good option for all of us! Have fun!
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7/19/2021 12:55pm Edited Date/Time 7/19/2021 1:11pm
When e-bikes come to market, even the Japanese brands will use Chinese components. They already exist.
Lot's of people taking MX bikes with dead engines and converting them. Cheap. Might be a fun project.

https://www.electricbike.com/converting-off-road-motorcycles-to-electri…
Lot's of links here, motors, controllers, videos, shops etc.

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crt32 wrote:
Anyone who is for electric taking over combustion is not thinking clearly. Answer some important questions and ask yourself who is pushing electric and why (money...
Anyone who is for electric taking over combustion is not thinking clearly. Answer some important questions and ask yourself who is pushing electric and why (money and control)

1) Where does electricity come from?
2) How are batteries made? Where does the material come from? If you answered mined, how much supply do we have? Does it come from foreign countries?
3) Without electric vehicles CA is asking residents to cut back on electric use because of the heat wave.
4) When a battery dies and it will ( guarantee you have a cell phone or drill that stay charged 1/2 as long) where do we put them?
5) Can you explain Net Zero for Carbon use? Doesnt make much sense does it

If you want to ride electric fine, if you want to ride a bicycle fine, but quit saying "progress" and trying to force them into a great sport that is built around sound, smell, and taste.
Zoom wrote:
I think you are the one not clearly thinking. You state that the sport was "built around sound, smell and taste." Those are all bi-products. The...
I think you are the one not clearly thinking.

You state that the sport was "built around sound, smell and taste."

Those are all bi-products. The sport was built around riding a dirt bike. Just like the founders of Alta, who were not fast dirt bike riders and wanted to create a bike that was easier to ride fast. Pure and simple.
crt32 wrote:
Is a BMX bike a dirt bike? I said if you want to ride one fine, but it's a completely different sport and machine...quit trying to...
Is a BMX bike a dirt bike? I said if you want to ride one fine, but it's a completely different sport and machine...quit trying to combine them.
You still seemed confused....

BMX Bike = Pedal for power

eMotocross Bike = Twist throttle for power, just like an ICE bike
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crt32 wrote:
Is a BMX bike a dirt bike? I said if you want to ride one fine, but it's a completely different sport and machine...quit trying to...
Is a BMX bike a dirt bike? I said if you want to ride one fine, but it's a completely different sport and machine...quit trying to combine them.
Is a four-stroke still a dirt bike?
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Zoom wrote:
I think you are the one not clearly thinking. You state that the sport was "built around sound, smell and taste." Those are all bi-products. The...
I think you are the one not clearly thinking.

You state that the sport was "built around sound, smell and taste."

Those are all bi-products. The sport was built around riding a dirt bike. Just like the founders of Alta, who were not fast dirt bike riders and wanted to create a bike that was easier to ride fast. Pure and simple.
crt32 wrote:
Is a BMX bike a dirt bike? I said if you want to ride one fine, but it's a completely different sport and machine...quit trying to...
Is a BMX bike a dirt bike? I said if you want to ride one fine, but it's a completely different sport and machine...quit trying to combine them.
Zoom wrote:
You still seemed confused....

BMX Bike = Pedal for power

eMotocross Bike = Twist throttle for power, just like an ICE bike
Youre right I am confused. I guess clutching a dirt bike to get the correct power delivery and being in the right gear is not part of the sport. Thanks for clarifying. I cant wait for it to be even easier for a beginner rider to just twist the throttle and Jump 100', its going to be so great for the "so called sport." And screw all those engine builders and pipe builders, they can just learn to code with the coal miners.

Youre missing the point, a BMX bike has as much in common with a current dirt bike as an E bike. Yes, they have two wheels, but what produces the power is different and therefore is a different sport.
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7/19/2021 6:00pm
crt32 wrote:
Youre right I am confused. I guess clutching a dirt bike to get the correct power delivery and being in the right gear is not part...
Youre right I am confused. I guess clutching a dirt bike to get the correct power delivery and being in the right gear is not part of the sport. Thanks for clarifying. I cant wait for it to be even easier for a beginner rider to just twist the throttle and Jump 100', its going to be so great for the "so called sport." And screw all those engine builders and pipe builders, they can just learn to code with the coal miners.

Youre missing the point, a BMX bike has as much in common with a current dirt bike as an E bike. Yes, they have two wheels, but what produces the power is different and therefore is a different sport.
Is rekluse ruining our sport too?
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crt32 wrote:
Is a BMX bike a dirt bike? I said if you want to ride one fine, but it's a completely different sport and machine...quit trying to...
Is a BMX bike a dirt bike? I said if you want to ride one fine, but it's a completely different sport and machine...quit trying to combine them.
Zoom wrote:
You still seemed confused....

BMX Bike = Pedal for power

eMotocross Bike = Twist throttle for power, just like an ICE bike
crt32 wrote:
Youre right I am confused. I guess clutching a dirt bike to get the correct power delivery and being in the right gear is not part...
Youre right I am confused. I guess clutching a dirt bike to get the correct power delivery and being in the right gear is not part of the sport. Thanks for clarifying. I cant wait for it to be even easier for a beginner rider to just twist the throttle and Jump 100', its going to be so great for the "so called sport." And screw all those engine builders and pipe builders, they can just learn to code with the coal miners.

Youre missing the point, a BMX bike has as much in common with a current dirt bike as an E bike. Yes, they have two wheels, but what produces the power is different and therefore is a different sport.
Just had a conversation with an older coworker today about when he first started, and the older coworker he had at the time. Said he was originally going to be a steam engine engineer, but by the time he had gotten out of the war/military, diesel had made steam obsolete, so he turned to fabrication, and was damn good at it. The world changes whether we like it or not, and smart people change with it.
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