Roczen & Ferrandis Team USA

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Edited Date/Time 7/8/2021 3:19am
These two guys are riding absolutely phenomenally right night now! In my opinion they embrace everything the good ole USA represents.

My question is this. guessing they are US citizens. Why would we not send our two best guys. They have been here for years and established themselves as American Motocross Racers indoors and out. I feel that it’s appropriate that we claim them as our own, throw a wrench in the whole MXDN system, and go bring this thing home.

This should be fun
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TSCHAM101
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7/7/2021 3:23pm
Ken would ride for Germany, and ferrandis for French.. Neither were born in America.
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7/7/2021 3:26pm
You are assuming they would want to represent the US.
Just because they love the US, it does not mean they would not want to represent their homelands.
I am sure they would want to represent Germany and France respectively.

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7/7/2021 3:26pm
What makes you think they would even want to ride for team USA even if they were eligible? Most guys want to represent their home country even if they live in the US permanently.

And either way, this would be a pathetic way to win
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7/7/2021 3:29pm
Damn let's beat this topic a little harder
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7/7/2021 3:32pm
Ferrandis was already called by the French team manger to ride for them. He also said he doesnt know if he isnt gonna ride MXON.
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7/7/2021 3:35pm
Maybe if it was an AMA Motocross vs FIM Motocross event that would make sense but it’s not so your idea makes no sense.
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7/7/2021 3:42pm
Just... Stop. For fuck's sake. It ain't happening and it shouldn't happen.
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Ferrandis was already called by the French team manger to ride for them. He also said he doesnt know if he isnt gonna ride MXON.
Of course he has. Ferrandis, Febvre and Vialle (with the right cap) would make one hell of a team.
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7/7/2021 4:37pm
SoCalMX70 wrote:
Just... Stop. For fuck's sake. It ain't happening and it shouldn't happen.
X2. This isn't the AMA vs FIM.
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SoCalMX70 wrote:
Just... Stop. For fuck's sake. It ain't happening and it shouldn't happen.
X2. This isn't the AMA vs FIM.
That’s pretty much what this race is. Just another MXGP without the USA.
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7/7/2021 4:49pm
TSCHAM101 wrote:
Ken would ride for Germany, and ferrandis for French.. Neither were born in America.
Neither was Jeff Ward (not agreeing with the OP, just pointing out being born in the states isn't a requirement).
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7/7/2021 4:51pm
bigk218 wrote:
That’s pretty much what this race is. Just another MXGP without the USA.
Not at all. The scoring and format are completely different. Most people like to view it as USA vs the World but it's a tired take at this point.
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7/7/2021 4:52pm
Neither are US citizens…problem solved….
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7/7/2021 4:56pm
Im guessing you want to take Jett as well for the 250's?
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TSCHAM101 wrote:
Ken would ride for Germany, and ferrandis for French.. Neither were born in America.
Sully wrote:
Neither was Jeff Ward (not agreeing with the OP, just pointing out being born in the states isn't a requirement).
How many times did Wardy race for Scotland before team USA? If Roczen and Ferrandis started racing in the USA as juniors and never raced for their countries of birth then no problems, join the USA team. But they came to the USA at a pro level and have already raced, and in Dylan's case won the MXoN for other county's.
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7/7/2021 5:05pm
TSCHAM101 wrote:
Ken would ride for Germany, and ferrandis for French.. Neither were born in America.
Sully wrote:
Neither was Jeff Ward (not agreeing with the OP, just pointing out being born in the states isn't a requirement).
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How many times did Wardy race for Scotland before team USA? If Roczen and Ferrandis started racing in the USA as juniors and never raced for...
How many times did Wardy race for Scotland before team USA? If Roczen and Ferrandis started racing in the USA as juniors and never raced for their countries of birth then no problems, join the USA team. But they came to the USA at a pro level and have already raced, and in Dylan's case won the MXoN for other county's.
Where he raced as a kid wasn't my point. Re-read the part I put in parenthesis...
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7/7/2021 5:08pm
I know Osborne was not a citizen when he was living in the UK. but for the sake of the argument lets say he was.
Do you think he would have wanted to represent the UK? I doubt it, even though he often talks about how much he loved it there.
I think the same would apply for Roczen and Ferrandis.

Another example, I believe Barcia is married to a Brit, therefore i assume could get dual citizenship, how would you guys feel if he raced for the UK?
7/7/2021 5:10pm
TSCHAM101 wrote:
Ken would ride for Germany, and ferrandis for French.. Neither were born in America.
Sully wrote:
Neither was Jeff Ward (not agreeing with the OP, just pointing out being born in the states isn't a requirement).
Downunder wrote:
How many times did Wardy race for Scotland before team USA? If Roczen and Ferrandis started racing in the USA as juniors and never raced for...
How many times did Wardy race for Scotland before team USA? If Roczen and Ferrandis started racing in the USA as juniors and never raced for their countries of birth then no problems, join the USA team. But they came to the USA at a pro level and have already raced, and in Dylan's case won the MXoN for other county's.
Kenny won with Germany in 2012 also
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7/7/2021 5:34pm
bigk218 wrote:
That’s pretty much what this race is. Just another MXGP without the USA.
Sorry, but that’s a pretty ignorant statement.
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7/7/2021 5:38pm
Sipes, Pastrana and Ronnie Mac rode for Team Puerto Rico. If a government wants to it can grant citizenship overnight. Has nothing to do with where the rider was born. I thought Kenny and Marv were in the citizen ship process though.
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7/7/2021 5:41pm
With the history that has been established for our country in the MXdN wouldn't it feel like a hollow victory if we won with those guys ? It would seem that way to me .
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7/7/2021 5:59pm
SoCalMX70 wrote:
Just... Stop. For fuck's sake. It ain't happening and it shouldn't happen.
X2. This isn't the AMA vs FIM.
bigk218 wrote:
That’s pretty much what this race is. Just another MXGP without the USA.
Yeah, pretty much, except without the championship. riders from both series, a completely different moto format, different qualifying format, combined classes, a team event as compared to an individual event, riders representing their countries, a different set of rules regarding starting positions, a dropped moto scoring rule and it only occurs once a year as compared to the 18 GPs.

but you are right, apart from those things its basically the sameWhistling
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7/7/2021 6:03pm
One of those down votes was me.
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7/7/2021 6:05pm
I would like this question asked to those guys themselves.

I’ve been a huge fan of the Des Nations for years and understand where a lot of my fellow patriots stand on the proposition.

But isn’t the USA built on the premise of immigrants coming to this country living in the land of the free? I’d like to know how some of our transplants that are now citizens feel about it.

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7/7/2021 6:14pm Edited Date/Time 7/7/2021 6:16pm
DA498 wrote:
I would like this question asked to those guys themselves. I’ve been a huge fan of the Des Nations for years and understand where a lot...
I would like this question asked to those guys themselves.

I’ve been a huge fan of the Des Nations for years and understand where a lot of my fellow patriots stand on the proposition.

But isn’t the USA built on the premise of immigrants coming to this country living in the land of the free? I’d like to know how some of our transplants that are now citizens feel about it.

If you asked Roczen, Ferrandis, Musquin, Reed, Lawrence’s, etc. where they are from, do you think any of them would say America? Yes, of course we welcome anyone who wants to move here but that doesn’t erase their past. This isn’t a negative comment but it just seems to go against the entire idea of the race. I’m sure all of these guys want to be a great representative of their home country while living in the US.
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7/7/2021 6:45pm Edited Date/Time 7/7/2021 6:58pm
It would be interesting to have a MXDN-like race with all USA and MXGP riders showing up like a normal race rather than just the top 3 from each country.

It's been discussed over and over again about who would win between both series but to me the questions below would be just as interesting if not more so.


- Who wouldn't make the top 40?

- Would there be more AMA riders or MXGP riders inside the top 10 in quali?

- Would there be more AMA or MXGP riders inside the top 10 final results?

- Who wouldn't earn a single point and finish outside the top 20?

- If both series and teams merged, what current factory riders would lose their ride and be racing for a satellite team or go privateer?


Most teams now have basically a primary and secondary tier rider. That wouldn't be the case anymore. Possibly some more drama would occur under team tents if teammates were battling for a championship.

Just to be clear, im Not trying to stir up a who's better argument lol. Both sides of the pond are super fast and can hold their own against eachother. Both series put on a great show but we are definitely missing out on the best riders in the world all racing together to see who would come out on top.

Would love to see everyone race together if not for a full season at least for one race when it's not in the middle of a series so there isn't any excuses.
7/7/2021 7:33pm
DonM wrote:
Neither are US citizens…problem solved….
I know marv completely everything for duel citizenship but thought it was said Ken was as well. Df is going back to France when his riding days are over so I doubt he is even trying to be a duel citizen.
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X2. This isn't the AMA vs FIM.
bigk218 wrote:
That’s pretty much what this race is. Just another MXGP without the USA.
Yeah, pretty much, except without the championship. riders from both series, a completely different moto format, different qualifying format, combined classes, a team event as compared...
Yeah, pretty much, except without the championship. riders from both series, a completely different moto format, different qualifying format, combined classes, a team event as compared to an individual event, riders representing their countries, a different set of rules regarding starting positions, a dropped moto scoring rule and it only occurs once a year as compared to the 18 GPs.

but you are right, apart from those things its basically the sameWhistling
As well as riders from neither series, e.g. Canada, Japan,New Zealand, Australia etc…..
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