Trainers and Programs MXGP riders?

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Edited Date/Time 5/22/2021 10:27am
Here in the states its normal for riders to be at compounds (Club, Bakers Factory, Nest etc.) and most of the riders work with some high level trainer (Baker, Swanny, Rarick, Rattray, etc.).

I don't ever hear about anything the Euros do that is similar. Obviously the riders are spread all over the place in different countries, but they surely must have high level trainers and riding facilities right?

What do riders like Herlings, Cairoli and Gajser do for programs?
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I really believe there is a big difference with regular weekly based training. When you go to track like Lommel,Olmen,Veldhoven,Berghem and some more tracks around the Belgium/Dutch border you will always will find allot off GP Guys doing moto’s/sprint together. They just ride together and having those stopwatch nationals every week. While in the US the riders rather hide and ride by them self somewhere at a compound with guys they like or gel with.

US is also in the luxury position that there are allot of compounds where guys ride and train. There is only 1 team in Europe who has something like that and that’s Di Carli team in Italy. Homebase for Cairoli and Prado joins there.

What is also really popular in Europe is renting a track for a day. Weekly base a team renting a track and split cost with other teams. They have the track by them self and only GP/EMX riders on it. They go to different tracks here and there where it’s possible.
Also their are plenty off tracks in Europe where they can go and almost nobody will be there that day.
This keep it interesting and motivated for everybody and not being stuck in one place and get you a better allround rider,right?

For some teams and trainers..

F&H Kawasaki 250 team is trained by Marc De Reuver. He is with those guys everytime they go out and help the best he can.

Factory Husky 250 is trainend by Rasmus Jorgensen. Once a really big talent in Europe but a car incident made it difficult. But he is training also the guys everytime they go out.

Conrad Mewse and Bas Vaessen are trainend by GP guy Stephen Sword.

Coldenhoff worked with Ryno before COVID break. At this moment working with old Dutch GP rider Brakke

Gajser is really close with his dad and doing allot together.

Same for Cairoli who is really close with Di Carli.

Herlings is really doing his own thing since a few years, but he is putting crazy hours in(what they say)

For sure their will be people around them, but it’s not really know or big in the spotlight work example like Baker of Swanie.
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Bidirella wrote:
I really believe there is a big difference with regular weekly based training. When you go to track like Lommel,Olmen,Veldhoven,Berghem and some more tracks around the...
I really believe there is a big difference with regular weekly based training. When you go to track like Lommel,Olmen,Veldhoven,Berghem and some more tracks around the Belgium/Dutch border you will always will find allot off GP Guys doing moto’s/sprint together. They just ride together and having those stopwatch nationals every week. While in the US the riders rather hide and ride by them self somewhere at a compound with guys they like or gel with.

US is also in the luxury position that there are allot of compounds where guys ride and train. There is only 1 team in Europe who has something like that and that’s Di Carli team in Italy. Homebase for Cairoli and Prado joins there.

What is also really popular in Europe is renting a track for a day. Weekly base a team renting a track and split cost with other teams. They have the track by them self and only GP/EMX riders on it. They go to different tracks here and there where it’s possible.
Also their are plenty off tracks in Europe where they can go and almost nobody will be there that day.
This keep it interesting and motivated for everybody and not being stuck in one place and get you a better allround rider,right?

For some teams and trainers..

F&H Kawasaki 250 team is trained by Marc De Reuver. He is with those guys everytime they go out and help the best he can.

Factory Husky 250 is trainend by Rasmus Jorgensen. Once a really big talent in Europe but a car incident made it difficult. But he is training also the guys everytime they go out.

Conrad Mewse and Bas Vaessen are trainend by GP guy Stephen Sword.

Coldenhoff worked with Ryno before COVID break. At this moment working with old Dutch GP rider Brakke

Gajser is really close with his dad and doing allot together.

Same for Cairoli who is really close with Di Carli.

Herlings is really doing his own thing since a few years, but he is putting crazy hours in(what they say)

For sure their will be people around them, but it’s not really know or big in the spotlight work example like Baker of Swanie.
Super awesome reply. Thanks!!! 👊👊
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Bidirella wrote:
I really believe there is a big difference with regular weekly based training. When you go to track like Lommel,Olmen,Veldhoven,Berghem and some more tracks around the...
I really believe there is a big difference with regular weekly based training. When you go to track like Lommel,Olmen,Veldhoven,Berghem and some more tracks around the Belgium/Dutch border you will always will find allot off GP Guys doing moto’s/sprint together. They just ride together and having those stopwatch nationals every week. While in the US the riders rather hide and ride by them self somewhere at a compound with guys they like or gel with.

US is also in the luxury position that there are allot of compounds where guys ride and train. There is only 1 team in Europe who has something like that and that’s Di Carli team in Italy. Homebase for Cairoli and Prado joins there.

What is also really popular in Europe is renting a track for a day. Weekly base a team renting a track and split cost with other teams. They have the track by them self and only GP/EMX riders on it. They go to different tracks here and there where it’s possible.
Also their are plenty off tracks in Europe where they can go and almost nobody will be there that day.
This keep it interesting and motivated for everybody and not being stuck in one place and get you a better allround rider,right?

For some teams and trainers..

F&H Kawasaki 250 team is trained by Marc De Reuver. He is with those guys everytime they go out and help the best he can.

Factory Husky 250 is trainend by Rasmus Jorgensen. Once a really big talent in Europe but a car incident made it difficult. But he is training also the guys everytime they go out.

Conrad Mewse and Bas Vaessen are trainend by GP guy Stephen Sword.

Coldenhoff worked with Ryno before COVID break. At this moment working with old Dutch GP rider Brakke

Gajser is really close with his dad and doing allot together.

Same for Cairoli who is really close with Di Carli.

Herlings is really doing his own thing since a few years, but he is putting crazy hours in(what they say)

For sure their will be people around them, but it’s not really know or big in the spotlight work example like Baker of Swanie.
Very informative. Thanks!
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The real mxgp question is since Coldenhoff trained with Hughes does he wear a neck brace or knee braces?
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Ramrod wrote:
The real mxgp question is since Coldenhoff trained with Hughes does he wear a neck brace or knee braces?
He is not wearing a neck brace but he is riding with knee braces so...
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Gajser isn't working with his dad now. He has a separate off-bike trainer and does his own schedule on the bike, on his new track
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Team Kawasaki has Jacky Vimond, who was working with Wilvo Yamaha previously.
5/24/2021 11:12am
One of the interesting thing Ryno talked about was how much more tolerant these guys are to bad conditions. GP riders will train on un-prepped tracks in 35 degree and drizzling weather. Most Americans go to Florida or California.
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Gajser posts stuff with his trainer all the time. The guy looks jacked unlike our American based trainers.
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One of the interesting thing Ryno talked about was how much more tolerant these guys are to bad conditions. GP riders will train on un-prepped tracks...
One of the interesting thing Ryno talked about was how much more tolerant these guys are to bad conditions. GP riders will train on un-prepped tracks in 35 degree and drizzling weather. Most Americans go to Florida or California.
If you only rode when the weather was good here, you would hardly ride..
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One of the interesting thing Ryno talked about was how much more tolerant these guys are to bad conditions. GP riders will train on un-prepped tracks...
One of the interesting thing Ryno talked about was how much more tolerant these guys are to bad conditions. GP riders will train on un-prepped tracks in 35 degree and drizzling weather. Most Americans go to Florida or California.
philG wrote:
If you only rode when the weather was good here, you would hardly ride..
Hey I love the rain, helps me claw back points on the guys a little faster than me in dry conditions. Good job I live in the UK 😂
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Spergen wrote:
Hey I love the rain, helps me claw back points on the guys a little faster than me in dry conditions. Good job I live in...
Hey I love the rain, helps me claw back points on the guys a little faster than me in dry conditions. Good job I live in the UK 😂
I used to like riding in the wet , but now they insist on ripping all the tracks a foot deep, any mud race is just a bottomless rutfest.

Used to be that a days rain before a meeting made practice slippy till you took the top off, and then it just dried out.. now its like scalextric.
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Spergen wrote:
Hey I love the rain, helps me claw back points on the guys a little faster than me in dry conditions. Good job I live in...
Hey I love the rain, helps me claw back points on the guys a little faster than me in dry conditions. Good job I live in the UK 😂
philG wrote:
I used to like riding in the wet , but now they insist on ripping all the tracks a foot deep, any mud race is just...
I used to like riding in the wet , but now they insist on ripping all the tracks a foot deep, any mud race is just a bottomless rutfest.

Used to be that a days rain before a meeting made practice slippy till you took the top off, and then it just dried out.. now its like scalextric.
To be honest I race hair & hounds now, at 45 I find it a bit more appealing than racing Mx, 3x 20min Motos compared to 2x 1.5hr or 3hrs strait though with enduro.

With you 100% on the track ripping, although the 2 tracks near me are fat cats & finningly both deep sand. But back 30 years ago when I first started racing if the track had been prepped there was a buzz in the paddock it was that infrequent ! Like once or twice a year. In fact you could say most tracks were that hard it was the beginning of supermoto
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Spergen wrote:
Hey I love the rain, helps me claw back points on the guys a little faster than me in dry conditions. Good job I live in...
Hey I love the rain, helps me claw back points on the guys a little faster than me in dry conditions. Good job I live in the UK 😂
philG wrote:
I used to like riding in the wet , but now they insist on ripping all the tracks a foot deep, any mud race is just...
I used to like riding in the wet , but now they insist on ripping all the tracks a foot deep, any mud race is just a bottomless rutfest.

Used to be that a days rain before a meeting made practice slippy till you took the top off, and then it just dried out.. now its like scalextric.
Spergen wrote:
To be honest I race hair & hounds now, at 45 I find it a bit more appealing than racing Mx, 3x 20min Motos compared to...
To be honest I race hair & hounds now, at 45 I find it a bit more appealing than racing Mx, 3x 20min Motos compared to 2x 1.5hr or 3hrs strait though with enduro.

With you 100% on the track ripping, although the 2 tracks near me are fat cats & finningly both deep sand. But back 30 years ago when I first started racing if the track had been prepped there was a buzz in the paddock it was that infrequent ! Like once or twice a year. In fact you could say most tracks were that hard it was the beginning of supermoto
Yea I’m getting pissed with all these tracks getting ripped to fuck. I think the owners do it so they can run in worse weather but like you said it just makes it a bottomless mud pit in winter.
I’d rather have a slippier harder track in the wet then be abusing my bike plowing through 2feet of mud at 5mph
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5/26/2021 5:11am
philG wrote:
Team Kawasaki has Jacky Vimond, who was working with Wilvo Yamaha previously.
Had Vimond come over to Kawasaki because of Febvre? I’m sure I heard he was working with Vimond when he was on Yamaha’s.
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philG wrote:
I used to like riding in the wet , but now they insist on ripping all the tracks a foot deep, any mud race is just...
I used to like riding in the wet , but now they insist on ripping all the tracks a foot deep, any mud race is just a bottomless rutfest.

Used to be that a days rain before a meeting made practice slippy till you took the top off, and then it just dried out.. now its like scalextric.
Spergen wrote:
To be honest I race hair & hounds now, at 45 I find it a bit more appealing than racing Mx, 3x 20min Motos compared to...
To be honest I race hair & hounds now, at 45 I find it a bit more appealing than racing Mx, 3x 20min Motos compared to 2x 1.5hr or 3hrs strait though with enduro.

With you 100% on the track ripping, although the 2 tracks near me are fat cats & finningly both deep sand. But back 30 years ago when I first started racing if the track had been prepped there was a buzz in the paddock it was that infrequent ! Like once or twice a year. In fact you could say most tracks were that hard it was the beginning of supermoto
luke11 wrote:
Yea I’m getting pissed with all these tracks getting ripped to fuck. I think the owners do it so they can run in worse weather but...
Yea I’m getting pissed with all these tracks getting ripped to fuck. I think the owners do it so they can run in worse weather but like you said it just makes it a bottomless mud pit in winter.
I’d rather have a slippier harder track in the wet then be abusing my bike plowing through 2feet of mud at 5mph
i think it's since the start of watering regularly. When i started in the summer tracks were dust fests.....then when they started watering they realised that if you don't rip it then it becomes an ice rink. It's the tracks that rip it even if it's been raining all week. I'm sure that a track that's been rained on all week is better with zero ripping as it's soft anyway and lines form regardless, not to mention rain runs off rather than soaks in.....but what do i know?!

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