Seriously DC? Why?

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Safety.
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No more Brian Moreau scenarios? Not sure why this is a bad thing
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Schumacher still hasn't seen the light of day...........
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Put it in a different location, just not on your head.
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davis224 wrote:
No more Brian Moreau scenarios? Not sure why this is a bad thing
So the camera is the reason he was injured? Riders can place them on the chin vent. Now you have a solution.
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Even more crazy is that they FORCE the riders to wear helmets!!!!!

What happened to personal choice and responsibility????

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It appears it’s not that cameras aren’t allowed it’s just not allowed to be mounted on the helmet. Uswe has some cool chest mounts that seam to work good on guys like Taylor roberts.
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I am all for safety, the camera is not the issue with safety. Especially when Sony had a slimmer model that was prohibited because of Go Pro and the contract
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APLMAN99 wrote:
Even more crazy is that they FORCE the riders to wear helmets!!!!!

What happened to personal choice and responsibility????

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Wow, zero to ignorant in .4 seconds. I’m all for safety of the riders. Of all people I have a large understanding of this. With that said, the camera is not the problem.
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APLMAN99 wrote:
Even more crazy is that they FORCE the riders to wear helmets!!!!!

What happened to personal choice and responsibility????

😎
Zycki11 wrote:
Wow, zero to ignorant in .4 seconds. I’m all for safety of the riders. Of all people I have a large understanding of this. With that...
Wow, zero to ignorant in .4 seconds. I’m all for safety of the riders. Of all people I have a large understanding of this. With that said, the camera is not the problem.
Ignorance is believing that there is a singular (the) safety problem to be solved. You’ve referred to a singular problem a couple of times now.

Fortunately there are more rational people who understand that racer safety is a multi-faceted issue and there are improvements that can occur on many fronts.
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5/8/2021 11:00am Edited Date/Time 5/8/2021 11:02am
This whole sport is an absolute joke. They want too much control so they micromanage every little aspect of the sport meanwhile the ship is sinking
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APLMAN99 wrote:
Ignorance is believing that there is a singular (the) safety problem to be solved. You’ve referred to a singular problem a couple of times now. Fortunately...
Ignorance is believing that there is a singular (the) safety problem to be solved. You’ve referred to a singular problem a couple of times now.

Fortunately there are more rational people who understand that racer safety is a multi-faceted issue and there are improvements that can occur on many fronts.
In other words your taking the definition of ignorance and fitting your personal narrative. I’m very well aware of multiple safety problems. Of all things to be addressed regarding safety, using camera and sponsorship opportunity IMO is ignorant.

Fortunately, people like you do not run the sport. What you call “rational” is laughable. Rational comes from actual understanding.
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5/8/2021 11:20am Edited Date/Time 5/8/2021 11:24am
ATKpilot99 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/05/08/491835/s1200_Egk3FN5cSemB7kEfNZik_motorcycle_helmet_cam.jpg[/img]

He needs a monitor on his bars so he can adjust his angles. They could run the cables down his back, then between his legs and under the tank.
Should work fine.
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This isn’t a safety thing this is a money thing, location “by approval” on motorcycle or another part of the body. Make chest protectors mandatory. Make health insurance mandatory. This is a money grab
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This isn’t a safety thing this is a money thing, location “by approval” on motorcycle or another part of the body. Make chest protectors mandatory. Make...
This isn’t a safety thing this is a money thing, location “by approval” on motorcycle or another part of the body. Make chest protectors mandatory. Make health insurance mandatory. This is a money grab
How is mounting your camera to your chest protector or handlebars instead of your helmet a money grab?
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Honestly, at the end of the day I don't think it's that big of deal. I'm only saying that because I believe the usage of the recordings were limited to 60 seconds on Instagram, Facebook, etc.

A 60 second clip doesn't even get you 1 lap around a national track.

The bigger issue is not allowing the riders to create worthwhile content and putting out full length motos. A 60 second clip hardly engages anyone.

Let them record their motos and put out videos worth watching. Give the riders something to help them grow their social media following.
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ATKpilot99 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/05/08/491835/s1200_Egk3FN5cSemB7kEfNZik_motorcycle_helmet_cam.jpg[/img]

Laughing
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This isn’t a safety thing this is a money thing, location “by approval” on motorcycle or another part of the body. Make chest protectors mandatory. Make...
This isn’t a safety thing this is a money thing, location “by approval” on motorcycle or another part of the body. Make chest protectors mandatory. Make health insurance mandatory. This is a money grab
davis224 wrote:
How is mounting your camera to your chest protector or handlebars instead of your helmet a money grab?
B ecause what this guy said makes to much sense
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I wonder how this is gonna affect helmet lights for a 24 hour race I’m signed up for.
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No loss. Its not like they were using riders live helmet cam footage during the race broadcast. Hell they cant even put a couple cameras at ground level to properly capture the action.
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No loss. Its not like they were using riders live helmet cam footage during the race broadcast. Hell they cant even put a couple cameras at...
No loss. Its not like they were using riders live helmet cam footage during the race broadcast. Hell they cant even put a couple cameras at ground level to properly capture the action.
Wither a safety decision(BS) or a monopoly decision. It isn’t allowing privateers a chance at making money on YouTube etc. It has nothing to do with the broadcast
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APLMAN99 wrote:
Ignorance is believing that there is a singular (the) safety problem to be solved. You’ve referred to a singular problem a couple of times now. Fortunately...
Ignorance is believing that there is a singular (the) safety problem to be solved. You’ve referred to a singular problem a couple of times now.

Fortunately there are more rational people who understand that racer safety is a multi-faceted issue and there are improvements that can occur on many fronts.
Zycki11 wrote:
In other words your taking the definition of ignorance and fitting your personal narrative. I’m very well aware of multiple safety problems. Of all things to...
In other words your taking the definition of ignorance and fitting your personal narrative. I’m very well aware of multiple safety problems. Of all things to be addressed regarding safety, using camera and sponsorship opportunity IMO is ignorant.

Fortunately, people like you do not run the sport. What you call “rational” is laughable. Rational comes from actual understanding.
I’m using the term ignorance correctly.

You are trying to justify your stance because of the financial ramifications, which makes it too subjective.

I’m not sure what you meant by “Of all people I have a large understanding of this.” Have you had an incident that somehow proved that an object mounted to the smooth surface of a helmet has no potential to increase the chances of rider injury? That’s rhetorical, of course, because you certainly couldn’t prove that negative through a simple experience.

What is observable, though, are incidents where something on a helmet with an ‘edge’ can potentially grab the ground and force the helmet to stop sliding, increasing stress on the neck and increasing the chances of injury. Happened to one of my very good friends and college roommates playing football. While there isn’t any great video angles of his moment of injury, his doctors felt pretty confident that the forehead mounts of his face mask ‘bit’ into the turf and kept his helmet from sliding, resulting in his SCI that has made him a high functioning quadriplegic for the last 30 years.

It was very much a ‘freak’ accident, and obviously face masks need to be mounted to a football helmet, but it’s still an example of what can occur when the smooth surface of a helmet is interrupted by something that can make it dig into the ground.

While I don’t really know what the odds are of this happening to an SX/MX racer overall, my personal experience is that limiting the number of things that can make a racer’s head stop instantly or for their body mass to rotate around a ‘stuck’ helmet is probably a good thing whether there are financial benefits to the promoters or sanctioning body.
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5/8/2021 1:55pm Edited Date/Time 5/8/2021 1:58pm
SCC wrote:
No loss. Its not like they were using riders live helmet cam footage during the race broadcast. Hell they cant even put a couple cameras at...
No loss. Its not like they were using riders live helmet cam footage during the race broadcast. Hell they cant even put a couple cameras at ground level to properly capture the action.
Zycki11 wrote:
Wither a safety decision(BS) or a monopoly decision. It isn’t allowing privateers a chance at making money on YouTube etc. It has nothing to do with...
Wither a safety decision(BS) or a monopoly decision. It isn’t allowing privateers a chance at making money on YouTube etc. It has nothing to do with the broadcast
I agree. The privateers and vlogs do more for this sport and in some cases are more entertaining then the races/broadcasts themselves. All these vloggers are doing is drawling more attention to the sport. It’s ok though we have CrossRutledge and the science of supercross. Guys like the cat,mum, Deno, Freddie bring more to the sport with their YouTube channel then field ever will. Oh well. Fans can’t even post a video from the stands with an iPhone.
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The old full main event or full moto GoPro youtube videos were so good. I didn't look at them as replacing watching the races, but as something to watch that gave another unique perspective on the action.
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I’m using the term ignorance correctly. You are trying to justify your stance because of the financial ramifications, which makes it too subjective. I’m not sure...
I’m using the term ignorance correctly.

You are trying to justify your stance because of the financial ramifications, which makes it too subjective.

I’m not sure what you meant by “Of all people I have a large understanding of this.” Have you had an incident that somehow proved that an object mounted to the smooth surface of a helmet has no potential to increase the chances of rider injury? That’s rhetorical, of course, because you certainly couldn’t prove that negative through a simple experience.

What is observable, though, are incidents where something on a helmet with an ‘edge’ can potentially grab the ground and force the helmet to stop sliding, increasing stress on the neck and increasing the chances of injury. Happened to one of my very good friends and college roommates playing football. While there isn’t any great video angles of his moment of injury, his doctors felt pretty confident that the forehead mounts of his face mask ‘bit’ into the turf and kept his helmet from sliding, resulting in his SCI that has made him a high functioning quadriplegic for the last 30 years.

It was very much a ‘freak’ accident, and obviously face masks need to be mounted to a football helmet, but it’s still an example of what can occur when the smooth surface of a helmet is interrupted by something that can make it dig into the ground.

While I don’t really know what the odds are of this happening to an SX/MX racer overall, my personal experience is that limiting the number of things that can make a racer’s head stop instantly or for their body mass to rotate around a ‘stuck’ helmet is probably a good thing whether there are financial benefits to the promoters or sanctioning body.
I’m finding this a bit tricky. I am sorry for your buddy that’s a situation that sucks all the way around. I personally have my own deal I was handed riding. With that said, I find it hard to believe doctors who can only look at X-rays and guess with opinion. The GoPro has a mount that sticks on your helmet made of plastic. Coupled with the arm on the GoPro and it seems as either one of these that are made of plastic will break first. I have personally had mine fly off during a wreck multiple times.

The question that still stands is what can they possibly gain by doing this? If you believe it to be a safety related concern, why would they start with amateurs and then move to the professional side a year later with eliminations? Why not force riders to wear chest protectors, neck braces etc.? Because it should be the riders choice.

What this is doing is ensuring that anyone who wants to use a camera has to sign up before hand and the nationals have to agree and stipulate the terms.

In the end, again you are placing your thoughts on a situation and called someone irrational based on your assessment. Take a step back and wonder why it’s happening.
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SCC wrote:
No loss. Its not like they were using riders live helmet cam footage during the race broadcast. Hell they cant even put a couple cameras at...
No loss. Its not like they were using riders live helmet cam footage during the race broadcast. Hell they cant even put a couple cameras at ground level to properly capture the action.
Zycki11 wrote:
Wither a safety decision(BS) or a monopoly decision. It isn’t allowing privateers a chance at making money on YouTube etc. It has nothing to do with...
Wither a safety decision(BS) or a monopoly decision. It isn’t allowing privateers a chance at making money on YouTube etc. It has nothing to do with the broadcast
If you had the chance to watch the privateer youtube series "Driven to Ride" you would see the prpoer way to make a video. It takes zero gopro footage. Zero. Might actually have to show the human side of what it takes. Nothing has come close since.
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Honestly, at the end of the day I don't think it's that big of deal. I'm only saying that because I believe the usage of the...
Honestly, at the end of the day I don't think it's that big of deal. I'm only saying that because I believe the usage of the recordings were limited to 60 seconds on Instagram, Facebook, etc.

A 60 second clip doesn't even get you 1 lap around a national track.

The bigger issue is not allowing the riders to create worthwhile content and putting out full length motos. A 60 second clip hardly engages anyone.

Let them record their motos and put out videos worth watching. Give the riders something to help them grow their social media following.
No one is watching a 30 minute moto from a go pro perspective
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5/8/2021 3:08pm
APLMAN99 wrote:
Even more crazy is that they FORCE the riders to wear helmets!!!!!

What happened to personal choice and responsibility????

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Zycki11 wrote:
Wow, zero to ignorant in .4 seconds. I’m all for safety of the riders. Of all people I have a large understanding of this. With that...
Wow, zero to ignorant in .4 seconds. I’m all for safety of the riders. Of all people I have a large understanding of this. With that said, the camera is not the problem.
The insurance company obviously does not agree.
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