2016 HRC Team Honda CRF450RW

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Yzfisl wrote:
Amazing build, I have really enjoyed following it. If Matt would be good enough to send you the dimensions maybe you could contact someone like http://www.hiflofiltro.com/contact...
Amazing build, I have really enjoyed following it. If Matt would be good enough to send you the dimensions maybe you could contact someone like http://www.hiflofiltro.com/contact and see if they have something that is right.
Thank you!!! I will see what I can do. Thanks again for the compliment and the info mate.
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matt.3150 wrote:
Here’s a picture of the majority of internal HRC engine parts [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/01/03/469810/s1200_B02CAE3C_8E19_4228_95AA_460F6474091D.jpg[/img]
Here’s a picture of the majority of internal HRC engine parts
mxav8r wrote:
That's awesome Matt! I see you also have two of the special (smaller in height vs OEM) oil filters that the HRC magnesium cover requires. I'm...
That's awesome Matt! I see you also have two of the special (smaller in height vs OEM) oil filters that the HRC magnesium cover requires. I'm still looking for one... Won't be able to get bike running until I find one. I would think the filter is simply sourced from another Honda machine but haven’t had any luck finding one. Matt do you think/know if the filters are actually "works" parts?
I’ll look on the filter to see who makes it, it definitely is a works part. Honda is renowned at using custom special parts that they don’t need to use, I not sure why it just cost allot more money. Also the carbon tank that Team Honda used and Geico used is made by Martin, they still sell them. I think I have 2 of them laying around, brand new if your interested! Also lastly I need the name and number of the guy you sold or trade that Titanium Kickstarter knuckle I sold you. Which I made a mistake and gave you the wrong year. I’m almost done with my HRC 2007-2008 CRF450, I just need to install some tranny parts,cam and crank. Then switch out the stock frame for the factory one and I’ll have a complete bike.



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HRC Martin Racing tank arrived a couple days ago and wanted to share a picture.

The tank arrived right as I was leaving town for work. So I just did a quick test fit and removed one of the Team Geico tank decals. The tank is in great shape and still looks almost new. After I spend a little time cleaning the tank I'm sure it will look brand new!

More later...




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1/11/2021 12:23pm
Do you have any tips for restoring the shine of Carbon Fiber? I bought a used skid plate that is kind of hazey, tried scotchbrite and WD40 but didn't help, Thinking maybe car buffing type of stuff?
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Do you have any tips for restoring the shine of Carbon Fiber? I bought a used skid plate that is kind of hazey, tried scotchbrite and...
Do you have any tips for restoring the shine of Carbon Fiber? I bought a used skid plate that is kind of hazey, tried scotchbrite and WD40 but didn't help, Thinking maybe car buffing type of stuff?
SC-1 makes carbon look brand new, until it's washed off at least.
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Rickyisms wrote:
Do you have any tips for restoring the shine of Carbon Fiber? I bought a used skid plate that is kind of hazey, tried scotchbrite and...
Do you have any tips for restoring the shine of Carbon Fiber? I bought a used skid plate that is kind of hazey, tried scotchbrite and WD40 but didn't help, Thinking maybe car buffing type of stuff?
I did a little research on this... As long as the carbon fiber product originally had a glossy and not matte or satin finish, a gentle polishing compound (automotive type safe for clear coat) will do the job. I just used Meguiar's Clear Coat Safe Polishing Compound with great results. Pictures to come.

SC1 temporarily adds a shine as pointed out too...
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1/15/2021 6:35pm
I realize I never posted any pictures of the assembled Showa shock after the rebuild with the new preload collar. When the shock was apart it was my intention to dissemble the shim stack. But after having some trouble removing the titanium nut on shock shaft I thought better of it... Really no reason to and perhaps mess something up. Going to leave the delicate work to the professionals (most likely have Art Of War suspension company do the setup).

Anyways, the only real issue during reassembly was getting the shock body cap back on. The cap is not screwed on but simply held in place by the slightly (and mean slightly!) larger ID of the shock body. It took a lot of patience and rubber mallet hammer blows to get the damn thing back on!

Also need to thank Jared Keller (jaredkeller96) for helping me along the way and answering my many "how do you..." texts 😂

Some pictures...





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Got a cool little piece of trickness from fellow vitalmx member "worksmx". A HRC chain guide. Only difference between the HRC guide and OEM is the elimination of a hole. I believe the reasoning behind this is to lessen the possibility of dirt entering the guide and derailing the chain.

Parts like these are actually hard to find because they take so much abuse and the Factories trash them frequently. So getting ahold of one that’s salvageable is a good get!

Just used a some 400 then 800 grit sandpaper and then Alumibrite. Turned out pretty good!



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For years (2015 - present) I've noticed this little electronic box/display mounted on the HRC GP bikes. Never really thought about it or could tell exactly what it was because of low resolution photos. Obviously one would assume its a hour meter...but what kind?

Look on upper frame spare partially under right shroud... red and white box (Tim Gajser 2016 Vitalmx GP bits)


But recently a photo from Vitalmx GP Bits of TG243 2020 works bike got me thinking about it again. Thankfully the photo was high enough resolution to hunt it down via Google search.


Its a Oppama PET-3200R engine hourmeter. I'm assuming HRC has used this brand for years because its incredibly small and light. The meter is also manufactured in Japan. Besides that...it's just a standard hourmeter. Apparently it's also popular in the Karting world.

So I ordered one from "Acceleration Kart Racing" out of Vegas.. $52 bucks.

Its SMALL!


On my bike







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1/21/2021 9:38am
nice catch, Mike.. isn't it fun identifying these small details and sleuthing out how to find the part or copy it?
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1/21/2021 3:27pm
Nice find!! I'll be ordering one too!

Also, I was going through you build again last night and saw you used oetiker stepless ear clamp for your radiator hose. Can you remember which size you use? I want to make the switch, but I'm confused if I should order the 22.4 – 25.6mm or the 23.9 – 27.1mm (I assume your hose also have a 24mm OD?)
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nice catch, Mike.. isn't it fun identifying these small details and sleuthing out how to find the part or copy it?
Thanks Mike!

Your build was my bible on how to pay attention to detail. I learned by reading your thread that there is SO much little details in these factory bikes. And it's important to pay attention to those details for a true works "replica". It IS FUN too like you say!
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Nice find!! I'll be ordering one too! Also, I was going through you build again last night and saw you used oetiker stepless ear clamp for...
Nice find!! I'll be ordering one too!

Also, I was going through you build again last night and saw you used oetiker stepless ear clamp for your radiator hose. Can you remember which size you use? I want to make the switch, but I'm confused if I should order the 22.4 – 25.6mm or the 23.9 – 27.1mm (I assume your hose also have a 24mm OD?)
Thank you! The meter is a cool little part for sure.

As to the ear clamps this is what I recommend.
- slide your hoses over each spigot and THEN measure the OD of the hose on EACH spigot
- You'll find that you probably need various sizes, of clamps, to complete the job

My bike has CV4 hoses and Fluidyne radiators so I believe the clamp size I used might not suit your needs.
But if you DO need the sizes let me know. I'll have to hunt down what I ordered.

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1/22/2021 6:56am
Nice find!! I'll be ordering one too! Also, I was going through you build again last night and saw you used oetiker stepless ear clamp for...
Nice find!! I'll be ordering one too!

Also, I was going through you build again last night and saw you used oetiker stepless ear clamp for your radiator hose. Can you remember which size you use? I want to make the switch, but I'm confused if I should order the 22.4 – 25.6mm or the 23.9 – 27.1mm (I assume your hose also have a 24mm OD?)
mxav8r wrote:
Thank you! The meter is a cool little part for sure. As to the ear clamps this is what I recommend. - slide your hoses over...
Thank you! The meter is a cool little part for sure.

As to the ear clamps this is what I recommend.
- slide your hoses over each spigot and THEN measure the OD of the hose on EACH spigot
- You'll find that you probably need various sizes, of clamps, to complete the job

My bike has CV4 hoses and Fluidyne radiators so I believe the clamp size I used might not suit your needs.
But if you DO need the sizes let me know. I'll have to hunt down what I ordered.

Your build is absolutely next level 💯
Are you using hrc ti bolts for the shrouds?
Have you considered anodized hose clamps? I was thinking about using them in my last build but never got around to it. They are pretty common in the car world...
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Your build is absolutely next level 💯 Are you using hrc ti bolts for the shrouds? Have you considered anodized hose clamps? I was thinking about...
Your build is absolutely next level 💯
Are you using hrc ti bolts for the shrouds?
Have you considered anodized hose clamps? I was thinking about using them in my last build but never got around to it. They are pretty common in the car world...
Thank you!

No on the HRC bolt question. Using Racetech Titanium.

Those clamps look really nice! Where do you get them?
1/24/2021 8:33am
Nice find!! I'll be ordering one too! Also, I was going through you build again last night and saw you used oetiker stepless ear clamp for...
Nice find!! I'll be ordering one too!

Also, I was going through you build again last night and saw you used oetiker stepless ear clamp for your radiator hose. Can you remember which size you use? I want to make the switch, but I'm confused if I should order the 22.4 – 25.6mm or the 23.9 – 27.1mm (I assume your hose also have a 24mm OD?)
mxav8r wrote:
Thank you! The meter is a cool little part for sure. As to the ear clamps this is what I recommend. - slide your hoses over...
Thank you! The meter is a cool little part for sure.

As to the ear clamps this is what I recommend.
- slide your hoses over each spigot and THEN measure the OD of the hose on EACH spigot
- You'll find that you probably need various sizes, of clamps, to complete the job

My bike has CV4 hoses and Fluidyne radiators so I believe the clamp size I used might not suit your needs.
But if you DO need the sizes let me know. I'll have to hunt down what I ordered.

Thanks, I did like you said, and you are right, even tho the hose have all the same OD when dissemble, they do not have all the same OD once mounted. I will need a couple size.

Another question, are they the 7mm width or 9mm?

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Thanks, I did like you said, and you are right, even tho the hose have all the same OD when dissemble, they do not have all...
Thanks, I did like you said, and you are right, even tho the hose have all the same OD when dissemble, they do not have all the same OD once mounted. I will need a couple size.

Another question, are they the 7mm width or 9mm?

They were 9/32" and 7/32" ... that's about 7mm and 5.5mm
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Added a couple more small parts to the bike.

First, a Honda HRC branded rear brake master cylinder cover. These along with some other parts were sold by Honda back in the 2011 time frame. Obviously getting harder find these days.



Second, new axle blocks. I previously was using a set of Works Connection axle blocks. But when I came across a set of HRC (most recently used around 2019) replica blocks made by MXBonz (ebay seller) I decided they would be better suited for my build.



Cool thing about these axle blocks is they are a little thicker than others. So the axle nut and end of axle are flush. Giving a real nice tight look. Got to do a little work on those swingarm scratches... picture makes them look awful

Never ending cycle of building and taking apart, love it!... More to come! 👍😁





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2/1/2021 10:41am
Hands down one of my favorite builds on here, It's like I'm at HRC in Japan getting a walkthrough while they build a GP bike.
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So sick, im drooling!
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Debated “cleaning” the Yoshimura titanium header for awhile. I liked the color of the run-in header but the system was new and unused mid pipe back. They didn’t match up. So I decided since the bike is basically “New”, the used header look just didn’t fit the build. The cleaned up finish is beautiful... Honestly the pictures don’t do it justice.

Before and After




I used a combination of 3M pads and 800, 1200 grit sandpaper. All liberally doused with Boeshield T-9. I use T-9 for cleaning, protecting, and all things one would use WD-40. It's just so much better.


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Finally got a set of HRC titanium foot pegs and brackets. These things are unbelievably light! A set (pegs and brackets) weight comes in at 310 grams or 0.68 pounds. The pegs are lightly used and cleaned up nice. Really happy with how they look...



Look at this photo below. Notice the extra material or a "ridge" on the backside of the right-side (bottom peg). And notice how this is not present on the left (top) peg. Total speculation on my part but is this a carryover (these pegs are current HRC parts) from the days when CRF's had kickstarters? To provide extra strength when the kickstart inevitably makes contact with the peg? And the design simply wasn’t updated for the new e-start CRF's. I don't know?






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mxav8r wrote:
Finally got a set of HRC titanium foot pegs and brackets. These things are unbelievably light! A set (pegs and brackets) weight comes in at 310...
Finally got a set of HRC titanium foot pegs and brackets. These things are unbelievably light! A set (pegs and brackets) weight comes in at 310 grams or 0.68 pounds. The pegs are lightly used and cleaned up nice. Really happy with how they look...



Look at this photo below. Notice the extra material or a "ridge" on the backside of the right-side (bottom peg). And notice how this is not present on the left (top) peg. Total speculation on my part but is this a carryover (these pegs are current HRC parts) from the days when CRF's had kickstarters? To provide extra strength when the kickstart inevitably makes contact with the peg? And the design simply wasn’t updated for the new e-start CRF's. I don't know?






I just went out and checked my CRF450 pegs and noticed the same ridge on the kickstart side peg. I had not noticed this before. I was lucky to get an NOS pair from Japan for the bike I am currently riding when this design first came out. They were so light that I was nervous doing big jumps with them and had to keep reminding myself that riders many times faster than myself were using these same pegs. I did have to round the cleat tips with a file to avoid destroying my boots every ride. Brand new, I twice sliced my hand open on the cleats while working on the bike.. they were that sharp when new.
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mxav8r wrote:
Finally got a set of HRC titanium foot pegs and brackets. These things are unbelievably light! A set (pegs and brackets) weight comes in at 310...
Finally got a set of HRC titanium foot pegs and brackets. These things are unbelievably light! A set (pegs and brackets) weight comes in at 310 grams or 0.68 pounds. The pegs are lightly used and cleaned up nice. Really happy with how they look...



Look at this photo below. Notice the extra material or a "ridge" on the backside of the right-side (bottom peg). And notice how this is not present on the left (top) peg. Total speculation on my part but is this a carryover (these pegs are current HRC parts) from the days when CRF's had kickstarters? To provide extra strength when the kickstart inevitably makes contact with the peg? And the design simply wasn’t updated for the new e-start CRF's. I don't know?






I just went out and checked my CRF450 pegs and noticed the same ridge on the kickstart side peg. I had not noticed this before. I...
I just went out and checked my CRF450 pegs and noticed the same ridge on the kickstart side peg. I had not noticed this before. I was lucky to get an NOS pair from Japan for the bike I am currently riding when this design first came out. They were so light that I was nervous doing big jumps with them and had to keep reminding myself that riders many times faster than myself were using these same pegs. I did have to round the cleat tips with a file to avoid destroying my boots every ride. Brand new, I twice sliced my hand open on the cleats while working on the bike.. they were that sharp when new.
These footpeg's are fantastic, you have to really careful when they're new to avoid injury.
This version below is the European version of "Tim Gasjer".





Mounted on the "Beast" that I prepare.

Congratulations! Hard to find, in good condition or new.
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A-M-A-Z-I-N-G build.

Thanks for sharing!
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I have been searching for a HRC Map Mode Switch for my bike, with no luck thus far. And all I could do is hope one would find it's way to me.

HRC Map Switch (Tim Gajser 2016)


That is until I saw this picture, of the HRC switch, posted on Instagram and it got me thinking...


... The switch looks like some sort of modified standard Honda motorcycle switch. With a guard mounted on the top (the guard is partially broken off on the side). Honda is a very efficient and "logical" company. If a part works they will use that part for years between all models of motorcycles.

So I started to search for "Honda map switch" on Google and eBay. Leading me to find this HRC Map Mode switch (which is actually just a re-wired engine "start/stop" switch) for a CBR street bike on eBay. For whatever reason, Honda sells HRC components regularly for the street bike crowd.

HRC CBR Map Mode switch


So I bought it. It looked just like the HRC switch used by the HRC motocross teams but without the guard. And I decided to make the guard myself. And that's how I dived head first into CAD 3D modeling and 3D Printing.
Did a bunch of reading on the internet and watched a whole lot of YouTube videos. And realized this type of stuff is actually not that hard (don't get me wrong...I'm referring to BASIC 3D type stuff, like the guard) thanks to modern technology!

Bought a 3D FDM Printer and learned basic Fusion 360 software on my MacBook and Shapr3D for the iPad (an insanely awesome well designed app)

Creality CS6-SE FDM 3D printer


After a couple of tries, I designed and printed this guard


And mounted it on the HRC street bike switch...


...It's not perfect but after a little sanding, a coat of spay paint, some red stickers to cover the switch markings, and sticking on some white "1 and 2" numbers it should serve it's purpose...to look like the real deal until I find the real deal Smile

Test fitting on my bike but not the final location


I actually will mount the switch on the bike like how the Teams with TwinWall bars did (not much room for extra switch gear on the bar). On the cross bar in the pad. This should also hide any imperfections of my work 👍😁
Example...

2016 HRC MXGP bike











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That's really cool what you did with the switch! Really cool!
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Duuudddeee! Your dedication to this build is incredible! I've enjoyed following every bit of it. This bike is awesome!
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mxav8r wrote:
I have been searching for a HRC Map Mode Switch for my bike, with no luck thus far. And all I could do is hope one...
I have been searching for a HRC Map Mode Switch for my bike, with no luck thus far. And all I could do is hope one would find it's way to me.

HRC Map Switch (Tim Gajser 2016)


That is until I saw this picture, of the HRC switch, posted on Instagram and it got me thinking...


... The switch looks like some sort of modified standard Honda motorcycle switch. With a guard mounted on the top (the guard is partially broken off on the side). Honda is a very efficient and "logical" company. If a part works they will use that part for years between all models of motorcycles.

So I started to search for "Honda map switch" on Google and eBay. Leading me to find this HRC Map Mode switch (which is actually just a re-wired engine "start/stop" switch) for a CBR street bike on eBay. For whatever reason, Honda sells HRC components regularly for the street bike crowd.

HRC CBR Map Mode switch


So I bought it. It looked just like the HRC switch used by the HRC motocross teams but without the guard. And I decided to make the guard myself. And that's how I dived head first into CAD 3D modeling and 3D Printing.
Did a bunch of reading on the internet and watched a whole lot of YouTube videos. And realized this type of stuff is actually not that hard (don't get me wrong...I'm referring to BASIC 3D type stuff, like the guard) thanks to modern technology!

Bought a 3D FDM Printer and learned basic Fusion 360 software on my MacBook and Shapr3D for the iPad (an insanely awesome well designed app)

Creality CS6-SE FDM 3D printer


After a couple of tries, I designed and printed this guard


And mounted it on the HRC street bike switch...


...It's not perfect but after a little sanding, a coat of spay paint, some red stickers to cover the switch markings, and sticking on some white "1 and 2" numbers it should serve it's purpose...to look like the real deal until I find the real deal Smile

Test fitting on my bike but not the final location


I actually will mount the switch on the bike like how the Teams with TwinWall bars did (not much room for extra switch gear on the bar). On the cross bar in the pad. This should also hide any imperfections of my work 👍😁
Example...

2016 HRC MXGP bike











I think you can disassemble those and replace the toggle(You'd have to print one) then a touch of heat gun on the face to smooth. That would get you the perfect numbers
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From God knows when through 2016, Honda HRC used a steel shift lever with a "Parkerized" finish on the CR/CRF's. What is a Parkerized finish? From Wikipedia:
"Parkerizing is a method of protecting a steel surface from corrosion and increasing its resistance to wear through the application of a chemical phosphate conversion coating"

The HRC steel lever is actually considerably heavier than the OEM lever. But a lot stronger!

From 2017 through the present, HRC switched to a CNC machined titanium shift lever.

HRC Steel and Titanium shift levers



If you look closely to the second picture above, you'll see the traditional HRC "EK--" marking followed by the #101. I have always assumed the number 101 (or whatever number was used) referred to the length of the lever. But as you can see, 101 is on both levers and the titanium one is longer.

My guess is that the number actually refers to the distance between the lever tip and the foot peg. Since the 2017 and beyond CRF's have the shift spline closer to the foot peg. The lever needs to be longer to maintain the "101" Peg/Tip distance as marked.

When I bought the HRC titanium lever I wasn't sure it would fit (bend wise, knew it would be longer) my 2016 CRF. Figured worst case I could use it for a future build. Pleasant surprise it fit fine. Just longer for the reason discussed before.

HRC titanium lever on my bike



HRC machining, as usual, is amazing


Now of course the lever tip/foot peg distance is more than the HRC steel or OEM lever but since I wear size 14 boots this work perfectly in my favor!

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