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Roczen was docked for jumping on a red cross. What exactly is the rule you are going to penaliza Macadoo for?
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It would be unwise to put someone anywhere near the landing of the triple.
Penalise McAdoo ? Okay, then penalise Justin Cooper too, he done the exact same thing and almost smashed into these guys too...
There are two mistakes made in one corner: One misplacement of a tuff block, and one alpinestar crew member crossing a Supercross track without checking for incoming traffic.
Ken Roczen got docked for jumping on a red cross flag, McAdoo did nothing of that sort.
Few weeks back, we had an alpinestars crew member crossing the sand section in front of Justin Barcia during a heat race; would it have been Barcia's fault if he happened to ram into him ?
I just don't get how anyone can hate on McAdoo ... if that medic crossed .5 seconds later, Hunter Lawrence would have hit him, or Jace owen, or Seth hammaker, or Dilan Schwartz ... 9 of the 10 guys that were still on track at that time went outside on that specific corner because of the tuff block; only Chris Blose (from memory) slowed down enough to be able to dive to the inside of the corner.
HIT THE MEDIC AND THE RIDER after a Medic Flag and Yellow lights were shown.
The Tuff block doesn't excuse anything, every other rider went around properly. McAdoo rode unsafe just like KR94 and JA21 and should be penalized. If they don't enforce rules everyone tries to abuse the rules. Justin hitting a Medic would not be the same, there was no flag.
It doesn't matter that the medic moved, it's no different than a kid in a school zone chasing a ball. It is your responsibility to control your vehicle, under 20 mph and no cell phone use so you are paying attention to your surroundings and prepared for the unexpected. McAdoo clearly tried to close in on Cooper coming into the accident scene and use it as a pass attempt. It's not OK to just say you were busy racing and sorry I didn't notice the guy that you ran over and luckily didn't injure or kill. You are a professional and you know the rules. The apology was the right thing to do, but also the right thing to do is slow down and be safe and give respect to track workers. This is about the next time, we don't need more rules, just enforce what you already have.
I have no malice toward McAdoo, and wish him well in future races. Other rider's now think it's open season during a Red Cross flag with medics on the track, a free for all. THAT is a circus. The AMA must address this issue.
1. This flag or a red flashing light may be displayed at the
beginning of a triple jump or a series of jumps.
2. Takes precedence over all other flags that may be
displayed.
3. No passing is allowed until clear of the incident.
4. Riders must follow all directions given by race officials in that
section.
5. The riders must do all of the obstacles individually, I.E. NO
double, triple, step on/off, etc. until clear of the incident.
6. Riders must exercise extreme caution and not race or
accelerate in an unsafe manner until they are clear of the
incident.
7. When used on a triple jump, the area of concern is at a
minimum, the whole obstacle, I.E. if a rider is down on the
face of the triple or after the first or second jump, you must
not jump any section of the triple.
8. This includes the sighting or cool down laps.
9. If Race Direction determines that there was a blatant
violation of this rule, the penalty for non-compliance will be:
a. During practice and qualifying, the loss of the fastest lap
time during that session.
b. During Heat, or LCQ races, the loss of number of
positions gained plus two additional positions in the final
results for that race. If no positions were gained, the
penalty will be the loss of two positions in the final
results for that race.
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c. During a Main Event race, if no positions were gained, the
penalty will be the points and purse equal to two positions
in the final results for that race plus two additional points.
d. During a Main Event race, if any positions are gained, the
loss of number of positions gained plus the points and
purse equal to two additional positions in the final results
for that race, plus two additional points.
e. During a Triple Crown Main Event race, the loss of
number of positions gained plus two additional
positions in the final results for that race. If no
positions were gained, the penalty will be the loss of
two positions in the final results for that race.
f. During a sighting or cool down lap, a fine as determined
by Race Direction.
g. If at any time, Race Direction determines that it was not a
blatant violation of the rule, a warning or fine may be
issued.
I would love to see them add "wheels on the ground" and something along the lines of "walking pace" and "not gaining an advantage" to the rule as there is a whole lot more going on here in my opinion.
I'm definitely not going to argue the fact that the situation sucks and we're all glad it wasn't worse.
Watching it back, what I also saw was when the red cross first was shown in the first rhythm McAdoo rolls one jump sooner and lost a good bit of time to Cooper (irrelevant other than to show he was respecting the flags).
Next, on the triple face Cooper REALLY slows up and tries to do the right thing, then after the triple landing he charges down and into the rollers once he knows where the issue is and (assuming because he knows he can slow up before he gets there safely).
I think at this point, McAdoo realizes he's losing more time from rolling so he scrubs the last jump of the triple and starts to rip into the rollers, he doesn't realize Cooper is going to slow up again after the rollers and tries to keep going fast.
The medic does his thing which is a bummer mistake. So thankful it wasn't worse for everyone involved, but I don't believe you can fault Cameron more than a small percentage here.
I think the energy should be focused on improving everyone's role's to make sure it doesn't happen again.
"I think the energy should be focused on improving everyone's role's to make sure it doesn't happen again."
Wouldn't that include penalizing rider's as a deterrent?
Had he shown disregard to the flag and situation and current rule, I would agree with a penalty. The rider in front of McAdoo and definitely the rider behind him were racing through the section.
Here you see the gap as the come into the first section where the red cross flags were first displayed..
Notice that Hunter Lawrence isn't even in the frame and there is maybe 1-1.5 bike lengths between Cooper and McAdoo.
Next up is the triple face. Notice the gaps...
Cooper is now 4-5 bike lengths in front of McAdoo and Lawrence is on McAdoo's back tire. Again, all of this is after a red cross was displayed down the middle of the first rhythm.
One would assume once they crest the triple lip they know where the incident is. Here you not only see the gaps, but also how close Cooper was to hitting the medic and Cooper definitely slowed when he got to the incident, so no fault on Cooper for that. It was the medic's honest mistake in the moment.
I guess it's just tough for me to punish a rider for someone else's mistake. McAdoo was clearly not racing faster than the guys around him as they both made up time on him. Cooper also nearly was hit by the medic and Cooper at the spot of the scene was IMO doing the right thing.
Long answer, but no, I don't believe there should be a penalty.
The amount of time that Lawrence made up is quite concerning but under current rules he's probably legit as well.
So fix the rule, then enforce the rule would be my suggestion. And of course re-educate and re-remind the people on the floor of a SX race about awareness.
There is no need for more rules, it is covered by the rules already that you and I posted. #6
6. Riders must exercise extreme caution and not race or
accelerate in an unsafe manner until they are clear of the
incident.
The fact that other rider's almost hit someone has nothing to do with it, it's like almost being pregnant.. you either are or you aren't.
Mcadoo is the only rider who hit not only the medic, but the downed rider. He's pregnant.
CHILL.
Pit Row
I could very easily argue and prove that between where the flag was displayed and the end of the incident that Cooper and Lawrence both raced as they both made up time on McAdoo. (NO I'M NOT SUGGESTING THIS!)
Slippery slope, so why not fix the rule to be black and white, easier to enforce, and improve safety?
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Did you know that if a driver runs a red light and pulls out in front of you and you hit them in your car, it is ruled their fault? If you are going 2mph over the speed limit, it is still their fault but a percentage of the blame shifts to you.
I'm not saying McAdoo is 100% innocent, but I am saying he's 90% innocent and I can find 10% guilt on at least two other riders in the field. So do you want to penalize all of them and leave it broken?
I'd rather offer a legit solution to improve safety moving forward.
IMO no one else did anything wrong, they maintained control. Racing up until the incident is legal.
I think you use this as an opportunity to fix the rule, make it very clear what the new rule is and that it'll be heavily enforced, and move forward.
Adding in "wheels on the ground", a way to regulate speed to a walking pace (obviously we don't have speedometer's, and 1st gear wide open is still fairly quick), and add in that you cannot make up time.
This approach lets the leader go completely slow because he cannot lose any time to the rider behind him.
... FYI, it's not legal to race up until the incident, just like it's not legal to double up until the incident. While we are making things black and white, looks like that should be clarified too, from the moment you pass the flag until the moment you are clear from the wreck the no racing, wheels on the ground, no gaining progress or position, etc. are all active.
There’s dozens of viable solutions posted in last 6 pages.
The AMA does need to stand up for safety, and they don't need new rules to do it IMO. They are setting an example every time they enforce a rule or don't. At minimum a warning should be given so that a 2nd incident would result in a more severe penalty. The Race Director needs to step up unless he wants the gloves to come off.
AFAIK it is legal to race up to the incident, just as he did. No passing and wheels on the ground for the triple only. There is no way to enforce whether someone gains ground in the real world.
The only way McAdoo could've avoided the medic was if he or the medic stopped, and neither were prepared to do that and both had legitimate reasons.. Although you could argue that one had more reasons to stop like 'I'm not in a race' or 'I will lose the battle with a motorbike'
Accident
1. This flag or a red flashing light may be displayed at the
beginning of a triple jump or a series of jumps.
2. Takes precedence over all other flags that may be
displayed.
3. No passing is allowed until clear of the incident.
4. Riders must follow all directions given by race officials in that
section."
Finally somebody in this nuthouse full of retards that knows the rules. They are not ignore what the guy with the red cross flag is instructing you to do and keep racing dipshit because you didn't take a red flag yet.
It also say's OR FLASING LIGHT. THAT MEANS THEY JUMPED under the red cross! But I am the dipshit.
Morans!
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