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Johnny Ringo 2/14/2021 7:55am
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sandtrack315 wrote:
Yeah y’all are delusional if you don’t see Barcia as faster this season. The Yamaha is a great bike. It just didn’t work as well for...
Yeah y’all are delusional if you don’t see Barcia as faster this season.

The Yamaha is a great bike. It just didn’t work as well for him, in supercross, on that team.
Look at the results BRO
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DrinkMoreWater 2/14/2021 8:57am
2/14/2021 8:57am Edited Date/Time 2/14/2021 9:01am
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Barcia got worse on it, so did Webb, Webb looked like a passenger on that bike. The only one that made it work is JS7 but...
Barcia got worse on it, so did Webb, Webb looked like a passenger on that bike.

The only one that made it work is JS7 but that's JS7, he even hated the bike.
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There are people on this forum who truly believe that bike development since 2016 (Referring to Roczen winning on the RMZ) has been huge... On that...
There are people on this forum who truly believe that bike development since 2016 (Referring to Roczen winning on the RMZ) has been huge...

On that basis, You can't even begin to compare a ten year old bike to what is currently being ridden.
I'm aware of the generational gap between.what JS is riding to the yammy of today, however JS looked far more nimble on the Kawi than the Yammy but anyway.

In recent times Webb and barcia are good examples, it's a night and day difference how they rode the yammy and the ktm/GasGas.

If people cannot see the difference in how both those riders are when they were on the yammy they're delusional.

Especially Webb.

Ferrandis is also battling the shit out of that 450.

The yammy 250fs? Fantastic bikes.
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FGR01 2/14/2021 9:30am
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People using JS as an example to show the YZ450 is not that bad?

Ummmm, didn't he literally break his contract mid-year to get off that bike and get on the Suzuki? Laughing
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FGR01 wrote:
People using JS as an example to show the YZ450 is not that bad? Ummmm, didn't he literally break his contract mid-year to get off that...
People using JS as an example to show the YZ450 is not that bad?

Ummmm, didn't he literally break his contract mid-year to get off that bike and get on the Suzuki? Laughing
And how much of that was mutual with Gibbs?

This was almost a decade ago. It literally has nothing to do with the current state of the bike.
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The Star Yamaha and the Yamaha plessinger and barcia were on last year are worlds apart.
The issue isnt the bike, it was the factory Yamaha team, Reed has mentioned this before.
Put a podium guy on the star 450 it will get a podium.
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FGR01 2/14/2021 10:05am
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FGR01 wrote:
People using JS as an example to show the YZ450 is not that bad? Ummmm, didn't he literally break his contract mid-year to get off that...
People using JS as an example to show the YZ450 is not that bad?

Ummmm, didn't he literally break his contract mid-year to get off that bike and get on the Suzuki? Laughing
Flatliner wrote:
And how much of that was mutual with Gibbs? This was almost a decade ago. It literally has nothing to do with the current state of...
And how much of that was mutual with Gibbs?

This was almost a decade ago. It literally has nothing to do with the current state of the bike.
My opinion, it is completely relevant. The "issue" with the YZ450 is inherent to the reverse engine layout and has remained constant since 2010. Yes, there have been changes to the bike since then that have reduced the problem but the basic character that is tied to that engine layout has remained unchanged.
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mb60 2/14/2021 10:14am
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Seems like the more rutted the track is the bike gets better. AP and Malcom both seem to be around where they need to be. Ferrandis is a rookie on a 450 do he will be up and down.
Thisusernameisavailable 2/14/2021 10:21am
2/14/2021 10:21am
I wonder if somewhere deep in Japan, Yamaha are quietly dabbling with a 'conventional' engined 450 for testing purposes only. Lets not kid ourselves that it doesn't happen- I bet they're testing a Honda, Kawasaki & a KTM too..
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Dirty Points 2/14/2021 10:36am
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mb60 wrote:
Seems like the more rutted the track is the bike gets better. AP and Malcom both seem to be around where they need to be. Ferrandis...
Seems like the more rutted the track is the bike gets better. AP and Malcom both seem to be around where they need to be. Ferrandis is a rookie on a 450 do he will be up and down.
I had always figured Ferrandis may struggle a bit at first in 450s. Not because of the bike, not because of his riding nor speed... but because of his starts. The guys in the class are too experienced/capable to charge through every race after a mid pack start as was typical for him in the 250s -- gaining back each position is a battle
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ShawdowGlen 2/14/2021 10:49am
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Hell...those Yamaha 250's suck ass too.

Last week, it caused Colt Nichols to crash...and this week Christian Craig.

Junk I tell ya.....total junk.


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mattyhamz2 2/14/2021 10:50am
2/14/2021 10:50am
DrinkMoreWater wrote:
Barcia got worse on it, so did Webb, Webb looked like a passenger on that bike. The only one that made it work is JS7 but...
Barcia got worse on it, so did Webb, Webb looked like a passenger on that bike.

The only one that made it work is JS7 but that's JS7, he even hated the bike.
Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
There are people on this forum who truly believe that bike development since 2016 (Referring to Roczen winning on the RMZ) has been huge... On that...
There are people on this forum who truly believe that bike development since 2016 (Referring to Roczen winning on the RMZ) has been huge...

On that basis, You can't even begin to compare a ten year old bike to what is currently being ridden.
DrinkMoreWater wrote:
I'm aware of the generational gap between.what JS is riding to the yammy of today, however JS looked far more nimble on the Kawi than the...
I'm aware of the generational gap between.what JS is riding to the yammy of today, however JS looked far more nimble on the Kawi than the Yammy but anyway.

In recent times Webb and barcia are good examples, it's a night and day difference how they rode the yammy and the ktm/GasGas.

If people cannot see the difference in how both those riders are when they were on the yammy they're delusional.

Especially Webb.

Ferrandis is also battling the shit out of that 450.

The yammy 250fs? Fantastic bikes.
People keep mentioning Webb, but seem to forget that he even admitted he wasn’t training nearly as hard and was only practicing at 75% vs being with Aldon and training/practicing at 100%. His words.
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Black Diesel Bomber 2/14/2021 11:06am
2/14/2021 11:06am
I've been saying it for years as the Blu Cru continues to defend their prized pig, the blue 450 is a horrible bike for supercross and it will continue to take it's victims with Ferrandis being the latest. It seems Star was able to improve the bike a bit but it's still nowhere capable of battling at the front where Barcia is now on his new bike. Barcia is night and day better on his new bike, just like Webb and the others who stepped off that Yamaha.

The blue 450 is a fat heavy pig just like my Suzuki which is not an issue anywhere else unless you are riding at the top level of supercross. I can't believe the blu cru can't accept this? Barcia and Ferrandis (and Webb) have confirmed this bike is not a top level 450 supercross bike. If anything I figured Malcom and Plessinger would put in a few good results because they are bigger guys who can wrestle the pig. Ferrandis would be better off riding his 250 in the 450 class.

For the blu cru guys who want to continue to defend their bike (which is a great bike for everything other than supercross), watch Barcia very nicely call the yamaha a fat heavy pig at the 1:30 mark:



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stiksandstones 2/14/2021 11:09am
2/14/2021 11:09am
How does the Y450 fair at the euro GP stuff?
stiksandstones 2/14/2021 11:55am
2/14/2021 11:55am
stiksandstones wrote:
How does the Y450 fair at the euro GP stuff?
Black Diesel Bomber wrote:
I have no idea but are you really comparing GP to Supercross??
I have had people put words in my mouth many times, but this one is rich. No, not comparing GP to SX, but the narrative here was the Y450 is an incapable machine, so, I am curious with how it fairs in other high performance events. The bike is a tool-and you experts are saying the tool isn't good for SX-just curious how the tool works elsewhere.
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soggy 2/14/2021 12:05pm
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stiksandstones wrote:
How does the Y450 fair at the euro GP stuff?
Black Diesel Bomber wrote:
I have no idea but are you really comparing GP to Supercross??
stiksandstones wrote:
I have had people put words in my mouth many times, but this one is rich. No, not comparing GP to SX, but the narrative here...
I have had people put words in my mouth many times, but this one is rich. No, not comparing GP to SX, but the narrative here was the Y450 is an incapable machine, so, I am curious with how it fairs in other high performance events. The bike is a tool-and you experts are saying the tool isn't good for SX-just curious how the tool works elsewhere.
Some good mxgp results but we also know they don’t have to follow production rules so who knows what they are doing with it. Nothing looks as good as the ktm and 21 Honda’s right now imo. Eli looks like he is turning a dump truck out there
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Johnny Ringo 2/14/2021 12:53pm
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FGR01 wrote:
People using JS as an example to show the YZ450 is not that bad? Ummmm, didn't he literally break his contract mid-year to get off that...
People using JS as an example to show the YZ450 is not that bad?

Ummmm, didn't he literally break his contract mid-year to get off that bike and get on the Suzuki? Laughing
Flatliner wrote:
And how much of that was mutual with Gibbs? This was almost a decade ago. It literally has nothing to do with the current state of...
And how much of that was mutual with Gibbs?

This was almost a decade ago. It literally has nothing to do with the current state of the bike.
FGR01 wrote:
My opinion, it is completely relevant. The "issue" with the YZ450 is inherent to the reverse engine layout and has remained constant since 2010. Yes, there...
My opinion, it is completely relevant. The "issue" with the YZ450 is inherent to the reverse engine layout and has remained constant since 2010. Yes, there have been changes to the bike since then that have reduced the problem but the basic character that is tied to that engine layout has remained unchanged.
Same issue the 250 is having? Damn that reversed cylinder
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BigBoreFan58 2/14/2021 1:14pm
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Why don't they just ride the 250 in the 450 class? That's legal is it not?
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WheelieNelson 2/14/2021 1:18pm
2/14/2021 1:18pm
It’s for sure a better mx bike than sx but I also think Different bikes are better for different riders.

Obviously barcia looks like he fits better on a steel frame, but I don’t remember him doing any worse on the (current gen) Yamaha than did on factory Honda.

Malcom on the other hand looks more smooth stable and in control of the bike than I’ve ever seen on any other brand.

People in here hating on the yzf need to at least quit lumping every backwards engine Yamaha into the same bike. The bikes Js7 and Webb rode are not the yamahas of today. Just like ken isn’t out there on a 2009 stinkbug honda.

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tuttle425 2/14/2021 3:46pm
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Top 5 450 SX series finishes by brand 2010-2020

KTM 15
Honda 13
Kawasaki 12
Suzuki 6
Yamaha 5
Husqvarna 4

Top 5 450 MX series finishes by brand 2010-2020

KTM 14
Honda 13
Kawasaki 11
Suzuki 8
Husky 5
Yamaha 4

Top 5 450 SX/MX finishes by brand 2010-2020

KTM 29
Honda 26
Kawasaki 23
Suzuki 14
Husky 9
Yamaha 9
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shortshift5 wrote:
Can we all acknowledge the bike is not on par for supercross? How many careers need to be sacrificed? Ferrandis is an elite talent and can’t...
Can we all acknowledge the bike is not on par for supercross? How many careers need to be sacrificed? Ferrandis is an elite talent and can’t do anything. Plessinger is finally able to be mediocre after 3 years, barcia looks like he’s riding a 85 compared to the heavy blue pig, and web of went from bust to champion. I can’t believe people still defend the Yamaha.
Well dunno cause I went pretty fast on mine today at Barona and even hacked the triple. 🤷🏻‍♂️🤣
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Pingu527 2/15/2021 6:43pm
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luke11 wrote:
The Star Yamaha and the Yamaha plessinger and barcia were on last year are worlds apart. The issue isnt the bike, it was the factory Yamaha...
The Star Yamaha and the Yamaha plessinger and barcia were on last year are worlds apart.
The issue isnt the bike, it was the factory Yamaha team, Reed has mentioned this before.
Put a podium guy on the star 450 it will get a podium.
This is the reality. A good team can make a bad bike perform. I’m excited to see what Star can do with it and what improvements will trickle down to the production bike.
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Johnny Ringo 2/16/2021 6:53am
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luke11 wrote:
The Star Yamaha and the Yamaha plessinger and barcia were on last year are worlds apart. The issue isnt the bike, it was the factory Yamaha...
The Star Yamaha and the Yamaha plessinger and barcia were on last year are worlds apart.
The issue isnt the bike, it was the factory Yamaha team, Reed has mentioned this before.
Put a podium guy on the star 450 it will get a podium.
Pingu527 wrote:
This is the reality. A good team can make a bad bike perform. I’m excited to see what Star can do with it and what improvements...
This is the reality. A good team can make a bad bike perform. I’m excited to see what Star can do with it and what improvements will trickle down to the production bike.
This. Remember JGR developed a ton on the first Gen of this bike, including the wrap around exhaust
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Black Diesel Bomber 2/20/2021 7:06pm
2/20/2021 7:06pm
Bucking Bronco tonight...

Time for Ferrandis to hop on the 250 before he gets really hurt on that thing.
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Black Diesel Bomber wrote:
Bucking Bronco tonight...

Time for Ferrandis to hop on the 250 before he gets really hurt on that thing.
Qualified 3rd fastest.

Something happened that put him down to last. He was there for awhile and came back to 11th.
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Black Diesel Bomber 2/20/2021 7:11pm
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Black Diesel Bomber wrote:
Bucking Bronco tonight...

Time for Ferrandis to hop on the 250 before he gets really hurt on that thing.
-MAVERICK- wrote:
Qualified 3rd fastest.

Something happened that put him down to last. He was there for awhile and came back to 11th.
He was all over the place barely holding on to that bucking bronco until it finally bucked him off...
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Zycki11 2/20/2021 7:13pm
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Black Diesel Bomber wrote:
Bucking Bronco tonight...

Time for Ferrandis to hop on the 250 before he gets really hurt on that thing.
-MAVERICK- wrote:
Qualified 3rd fastest.

Something happened that put him down to last. He was there for awhile and came back to 11th.
Black Diesel Bomber wrote:
He was all over the place barely holding on to that bucking bronco until it finally bucked him off...
Have another beer and sit down. Get over the Yamaha argument. You placed effort into digging up a thread just to argue.
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Black Diesel Bomber 2/20/2021 7:17pm
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
Qualified 3rd fastest.

Something happened that put him down to last. He was there for awhile and came back to 11th.
Black Diesel Bomber wrote:
He was all over the place barely holding on to that bucking bronco until it finally bucked him off...
Zycki11 wrote:
Have another beer and sit down. Get over the Yamaha argument. You placed effort into digging up a thread just to argue.
Laughing

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shortshift5 2/20/2021 7:26pm
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Problem is even if they can somehow ride that fat pig in qualifying they cannot get a start. It’s been well documented when they add power it handles awful. So to make it rideable they tune it down and get shitty starts. Awesome machine they have there. Everyone should have one.
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