Time for this in our sport.

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Edited Date/Time 1/31/2021 11:52am
Idk how to imbed ig post from a phone..but yep, ama needs to pull their collective heads out their arses and allow this. Woulda saved the red cross incident and deano

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1/28/2021 7:32pm
I’m in. Make it so fans can listen to the audio real time during the race as well.
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1/28/2021 7:32pm Edited Date/Time 1/28/2021 7:33pm
I think the negative aspect posted before is the cost to privateers. Sure the factory guys can afford them and have someone on the other end, but not so much for the guys living out of a van. Who, by the way, would need it the most since they are the ones usually getting lapped. At least when lap times were in the high 50 seconds.
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I do not want anyone talking in my head while riding
I have enough voices as it is
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1/28/2021 7:42pm
Motodave15 wrote:
Idk how to imbed ig post from a phone..but yep, ama needs to pull their collective heads out their arses and allow this. Woulda saved the...
Idk how to imbed ig post from a phone..but yep, ama needs to pull their collective heads out their arses and allow this. Woulda saved the red cross incident and deano

I agree 100%
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Y'all ever watch mini dads?
Ever watch and hear 'em yell to their kids? Ever watch them yell at their kids?

Now imagine them doing that shit into a microphone for an entire race
Imagine having to hear that bullshit in your ear an entire race at 6 years old
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When you are “locked in” the zone racing at a high level you are not even thinking. It’s all instinct. Your brain sorta just shuts down.

The closest thing I can think of that has a similar intensity and focus would be gymnastics.

How practical would it be for a coach to relay anything to the gymnast via an ear peace. Can you imagine how absolutely distracting that would be. Think of a floor routine and being distracted by any voice coming into your ear.

SX/MX is very similar.

The second you get distracted you are going to crash and get hurt. The only way these guys can race at this level is by being in the zone. It’s focus beyond focus.

Those that know what it means to be in the zone will understand the absolute distraction and danger of having radio com in your helmet at a high level of racing SX/MX.
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1/28/2021 7:51pm Edited Date/Time 1/31/2021 11:52am
Nope! Not with the mini dads. My dad wasn’t even a mini dad and the last thing I wanted when I was young and racing was my dad in my ear through every moto. Trail riding, sure! Racing? No way.
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TXDirt wrote:
When you are “locked in” the zone racing at a high level you are not even thinking. It’s all instinct. Your brain sorta just shuts down...
When you are “locked in” the zone racing at a high level you are not even thinking. It’s all instinct. Your brain sorta just shuts down.

The closest thing I can think of that has a similar intensity and focus would be gymnastics.

How practical would it be for a coach to relay anything to the gymnast via an ear peace. Can you imagine how absolutely distracting that would be. Think of a floor routine and being distracted by any voice coming into your ear.

SX/MX is very similar.

The second you get distracted you are going to crash and get hurt. The only way these guys can race at this level is by being in the zone. It’s focus beyond focus.

Those that know what it means to be in the zone will understand the absolute distraction and danger of having radio com in your helmet at a high level of racing SX/MX.
Only allow conversation or mic time during the straighaway each lap... kinda like F1.. and you can't say mx takes more concentration than driving a race car at 180mph heading into a corner.
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Also, im nit talking about mini dads... as I can see thats a whole other can of worms... I'm strictly talking pros.
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1/28/2021 8:08pm Edited Date/Time 1/28/2021 8:09pm
In pro sx yes, at any level of competition no.
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That breaking concentration is my concern.

I understand pro riders are different, it's all second nature. While doing a triple, they're scanning the track, doing math and figuring out dinner afterwards....amateurs not so much, we're struggling to just not eat shit, and then some dude is going to bark shit into my ear?

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1/28/2021 10:04pm
It might work if it was one way from an official to the rider. I wouldn't want tactics told to a rider from his team.
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As a practice tool I see the value. As a race tool I think it’s too much going on during a race. This isn’t nascar and the variables aren’t the same.

I keep seeing people mention this and I’m wondering if there is any correlation to the level ridden when seeing the thoughts.

If anyone has been to a local race and seen mini dads, they know the shit show can of worms this opens. If anyone has ever raced at a decent level or higher, they should know that when you are in a race, it’s you and the bike. That’s the plus of this sport, being one with the dirt bike. Now we’re gonna require full on race teams and spotters for every rider?

No thanks. Save that for Ricky Bobby and keep it away from Supercross which will in turn trickle down to the local races just like when you go to a local car race, they all use head sets.
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TXDirt wrote:
When you are “locked in” the zone racing at a high level you are not even thinking. It’s all instinct. Your brain sorta just shuts down...
When you are “locked in” the zone racing at a high level you are not even thinking. It’s all instinct. Your brain sorta just shuts down.

The closest thing I can think of that has a similar intensity and focus would be gymnastics.

How practical would it be for a coach to relay anything to the gymnast via an ear peace. Can you imagine how absolutely distracting that would be. Think of a floor routine and being distracted by any voice coming into your ear.

SX/MX is very similar.

The second you get distracted you are going to crash and get hurt. The only way these guys can race at this level is by being in the zone. It’s focus beyond focus.

Those that know what it means to be in the zone will understand the absolute distraction and danger of having radio com in your helmet at a high level of racing SX/MX.
F1 cars go a zillion MPH and require ALIEN focus.... They seem to be fine chatting about the after after parties they are attending later.

They are also being quickly adopted in Nitro Radio Controlled Cars now (Because they are so redic loud) and those pros are also super focus machines. They seem to do fine with chatting in their ears.

My point is that the rewards would out weigh the small risk of adding them.

Im old school as you can get... but I think I am on board with this one.

My worthless opinion.
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1/28/2021 10:20pm
wait til the leader has a spotter and is changing lines to stop 2nd passing,

I support a race radio type one way system, but not this,

spotters don't belong in Motorcycle racing,
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1/28/2021 10:33pm
Hell no. We arent F1. We dont need to be infiltrated by this crap. Next theyll be kneeling on the gate for the next left wing loony-ism. Let out sport be what it is about, the rider.
Oh but itll be coming to the stupid mini-parents. What is the collective noun of a gathering of mini-parents??
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1/28/2021 10:35pm
last thing anyone needs is a voice in their head. Leave the sanctity of Moto intact.

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1/28/2021 11:05pm Edited Date/Time 1/28/2021 11:07pm
Our sport doesn’t need rider comms. If you want to address the flagging issues I’m sure there’s other options worth developing eg.
Trackside flashing lights would be a better option for the Red Cross flag.
As for the blue flag issue, I’m sure a software wiz could build a system that uses the transponder data to send a signal to a light on the bars (or even to inside the helmet) for when a rider is about to be lapped.....etc.
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1/28/2021 11:38pm Edited Date/Time 1/28/2021 11:39pm
That was hard to watch. I'm okay with someone getting an alert over an ear piece or something but the whole "how are your shocks feelin'?" conversation was weird.

MX/SX is not a team sport... GTFO of my ear.

As far as Ryder goes.... We'll get there. We'll race 'em when it's time.
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1/28/2021 11:52pm
In the draft at Daytona at 200mph.
In helmet communications must not be too distracting if they can do it then. As long as it’s short updates and nothing more it would probably be fine. Blue flag, red flag, cross flag, give updates as they pass mechanics area on flat ground.
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1/28/2021 11:59pm
That would be a hard hell no from me.
Just get the riders with difficulty seeing flags an appointment at the optometrist and be done with it.
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1/29/2021 12:18am
My dad connected an earpiece to a walkie talkie back in 1994 to teach me how to shift. Worked wonders, but I was glad he stopped using it once I got the hang of it. Could not imagine having a mechanic or team manager talking to me during a race like in F1. Keeping your own focus is key. Some racers say they don’t even look at the pitboard during a race, so I don’t think this will happen.
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1/29/2021 1:43am
NO!
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1/29/2021 3:20am Edited Date/Time 1/29/2021 3:27am
TXDirt wrote:
When you are “locked in” the zone racing at a high level you are not even thinking. It’s all instinct. Your brain sorta just shuts down...
When you are “locked in” the zone racing at a high level you are not even thinking. It’s all instinct. Your brain sorta just shuts down.

The closest thing I can think of that has a similar intensity and focus would be gymnastics.

How practical would it be for a coach to relay anything to the gymnast via an ear peace. Can you imagine how absolutely distracting that would be. Think of a floor routine and being distracted by any voice coming into your ear.

SX/MX is very similar.

The second you get distracted you are going to crash and get hurt. The only way these guys can race at this level is by being in the zone. It’s focus beyond focus.

Those that know what it means to be in the zone will understand the absolute distraction and danger of having radio com in your helmet at a high level of racing SX/MX.
devotid wrote:
F1 cars go a zillion MPH and require ALIEN focus.... They seem to be fine chatting about the after after parties they are attending later. They...
F1 cars go a zillion MPH and require ALIEN focus.... They seem to be fine chatting about the after after parties they are attending later.

They are also being quickly adopted in Nitro Radio Controlled Cars now (Because they are so redic loud) and those pros are also super focus machines. They seem to do fine with chatting in their ears.

My point is that the rewards would out weigh the small risk of adding them.

Im old school as you can get... but I think I am on board with this one.

My worthless opinion.
F1 cars are easier than a dirtbike and have long straights to communicate. Drivers do complain about getting messages in corners too, The difference is on a bike even the smallest error can result in a broken bone. In cars the worst than can happen is you miss your apex.

We don't allow it in karts because it's lame and you lot should think it too. I disappoints me any dirtbiker would think otherwise.
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1/29/2021 3:21am
"Yeah we'll race Ryder D soon enough..."


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1/29/2021 3:55am
Why don't you just put what "this" is in the thread title? How much harder would it have been to put "Time for radios in our sport". It's two extra letters. I think people just like useless subjects in this place. Last thing we'd want is for the search function to be useful for finding relevant threads.
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LKHill wrote:
NO!
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1/29/2021 4:24am
If it’s about guys not seeing Red Cross or blue flags waving how about a quick blip from one of these pointed right at the rider ? Shouldn’t take a full on 70’s car horn or train horn blast, just a short blip to get their attention ? “Hey yo there’s a flag waving look up for a second” Just tossing ideas out there.
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F1 cars stick like glue. They're an upside down airplane on four rubber tires....they stick

MX is chaos! The whole thing is chaos. A whoop can throw you sideways in a blink. A tiny short on that single to table, and you too could have a baby arm.

When you drive F1 or NASCAR or any pro level of racing, you mind learns to process those speeds, to slow it down in the drivers mind, so 120mph feels like 65mph to us mere mortals.

That's why radio comms are different in auto racing than MX. I think even road racing you can get away with it.
MX/SX? Not so much.

Not a fan of the plan.

Only way I can see this working at a pro level is somehow geo fence an area to receive comms...like a mechanics area. Where that is, they can get a board and short message "You're P9, point zero one short of last lap. You need to get #15"
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1/29/2021 4:49am
NOT AT ALL ! It should never be allowed during races
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