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sf702/410 9/21/2020 7:03pm
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Ok, tomato, tomahto, the wholesale net cost was roughly still 60% of retail. My quick example was off in total from your exact figure by a...
Ok, tomato, tomahto, the wholesale net cost was roughly still 60% of retail. My quick example was off in total from your exact figure by a few bucks. You included the freight in your figure, I separated it. Msrp at 8999, and dealer net cost approx 6000.


That said, and im not here to fight about it, when I get quoted sticker+fees, and stick firm, they can suck one.
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OK LOL I agree with that but just so you know 60% of 8999.00 is 5399.00 but you cant count rebates as they are not always...
OK LOL I agree with that but just so you know 60% of 8999.00 is 5399.00 but you cant count rebates as they are not always a given.
Listen Gillboy, I refuse to argue with you. It was a vague for- instance horseshoe and hand grenade figure I gave, so pardon my laziness. Lol


Cost w/ rebates at full sticker 8999 in your figure is what 36% off? Awfully strange marginnn. Bet they tucked away another 6% or 16% by volume pricing. Wink

Now back to Suzi and Yami talk. Lol
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Subotai 11/5/2020 9:26pm
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You’re still all in on this new model. What would you be willing to wager for early summer next year?
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Im in on a couple 100 if you are. Be careful I may know a little more than you think. So is the bet on early...
Im in on a couple 100 if you are.
Be careful I may know a little more than you think. So is the bet on early summer or just a new bike next yr??? I know for a fact the bike is coming the only guess on my part is timing. I say early summer BC I know where they are in development.
I had to revisit this with rumors that suzuki is not telling JGR how much support they will get. What the inside scoop Gilly? I thought the new suzuki president loved racing? He didn’t have as much pull as you thought?
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Gillboy67 11/6/2020 4:32pm
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I had to revisit this with rumors that suzuki is not telling JGR how much support they will get. What the inside scoop Gilly? I thought...
I had to revisit this with rumors that suzuki is not telling JGR how much support they will get. What the inside scoop Gilly? I thought the new suzuki president loved racing? He didn’t have as much pull as you thought?
Man from what Im hearing is BC the whole 2021 schedule is up in the air. So they are trying to come up with a package. What can I say its the age of the Rona the new normal in these troubled times GOD IM SICK OF HEARING THAT SHIT!!! LOL
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Ok, can get the thread title changed to 2022 rmz450?
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RoostBuckets 1/20/2021 4:55am
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Them zuks are killing it in supercross..... such a great bike!!!!
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Them zuks are killing it in supercross..... such a great bike!!!!
Terrible.

There are things this world doesnt even have to say, but people still say it.

Just be happy there is something out there that can get ridden.
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Suzukifan2019 1/21/2021 4:33am
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Bike is still good! but it needs to be lighter and have e-start, hope that they'll make it for 2022.
P.S : apparently Savatgy was complaining about the bike last year, look at his results on a ktm this year...
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Worst bike in the field!! LOL You know everyone on here is a top level national pro and needs the bike that wins the shoot out. Funny how 2 of the 450 guys that went from zooks last year to KTM and Honda this year are basically where they where on the zooks JS17 and BT20. You put a top guy on a Zook ET3 KR94 yellow would win. Yes they need an Estart!! and a diet but bottom line the Zook is a good solid reliable bike for 90% of local racers and a solid platform to build from for a pro. Oh and 1/2 the peeps on here dont even line up behind a gate they trial ride or are professional practice/tack day riders (nothing wrong with that but .....) and 1/4 on here dont even ride. Soooo
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rmgsxr 1/21/2021 9:24am
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Your math makes no sense. so lets back this out as this is the way you do it to show gross profit. 2018 RMZ450 msrp price...
Your math makes no sense.
so lets back this out as this is the way you do it to show gross profit.
2018 RMZ450 msrp price 8899.00 dealer cost 6897.00 this incl frt and set up.The manufacture pays the dealer 150-250 to set the bike up and is payed to the dealer when the sale is reported. In June of 2018 there was a 500.00 dealer rebate and 500.00 customer rebate end of the model year.

your sale price was 7100 otd so they sold you the bike for 6545.00 less net cost of 5897.00 total gross profit was. 648.00
A book out sheet would reed like this.
OTD price 7100.00
sales tax 495.00
title 60.00
net Sell price- 6545.00 COST with rebates 5897.00
set up pd 150.00 tech pd 60.00
total in 6755.00 total cost 5957.00
total net profit on deal..............$738.00 Not a home run but its a sale also dealers do get year end money if they hit there #s
Throwing out all of those numbers I was thinking that you worked at a shop. You are way off. I will throw some numbers in here and most won't believe them but some will back it up.

This is for a 2018 RM-Z450.

Dealer Net without destination or Retail Bonus was $7298.

Destination(what Suzuki charges the dealer to ship the bike to them) was $365.

Retail Bonus is $267. What is Retail Bonus? It is "hold back". It is part of the dealers margin that the manufacture holds until you sell the bike and register the sale with the manufacture to start the warranty(if the bike has one). By registering the sale of the bike the manufacture can also contact the owner of recalls and they also can track sales trends. That is why they hold some of your money to insure that you register the sale. I call that money ransom money.

So, dealer net $7298 + destination $365 + retail sales bonus $267 = $7930. $7930 is what the dealer pays for the bike. The bike did retail for $8899 that year(you got that correct). Keep in mind, the dealer does get his $267 back once he registers the sale.

Manufactures normally have a stated setup/prep amount on bikes. Suzuki that year felt it was worth $50 for the assembly of the 450. They don't give you money back for that. Dealers will use that number at times if they dealer trade the bike and charge it to the other dealer if they have assembled it. No manufacture pays the dealer to assemble a bike.

Suzuki currently doesn't have any payouts for hitting number goals. The only thing they may do at times is have monthly programs where you may have a goal to hit. Years ago holdback money was only paid out once a year. It sucked when the manufacture was able to hold your money for that long. Now most pay it monthly or quarterly.

Rebates are money to help move product when its not moving. It's not hard to find what rebates are available on most models anymore. Currently, most inventory level is low so most rebates have gone away or are getting to be smaller amounts.
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Gillboy67 1/21/2021 10:21am
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Gillboy67 wrote:
Your math makes no sense. so lets back this out as this is the way you do it to show gross profit. 2018 RMZ450 msrp price...
Your math makes no sense.
so lets back this out as this is the way you do it to show gross profit.
2018 RMZ450 msrp price 8899.00 dealer cost 6897.00 this incl frt and set up.The manufacture pays the dealer 150-250 to set the bike up and is payed to the dealer when the sale is reported. In June of 2018 there was a 500.00 dealer rebate and 500.00 customer rebate end of the model year.

your sale price was 7100 otd so they sold you the bike for 6545.00 less net cost of 5897.00 total gross profit was. 648.00
A book out sheet would reed like this.
OTD price 7100.00
sales tax 495.00
title 60.00
net Sell price- 6545.00 COST with rebates 5897.00
set up pd 150.00 tech pd 60.00
total in 6755.00 total cost 5957.00
total net profit on deal..............$738.00 Not a home run but its a sale also dealers do get year end money if they hit there #s
rmgsxr wrote:
Throwing out all of those numbers I was thinking that you worked at a shop. You are way off. I will throw some numbers in here...
Throwing out all of those numbers I was thinking that you worked at a shop. You are way off. I will throw some numbers in here and most won't believe them but some will back it up.

This is for a 2018 RM-Z450.

Dealer Net without destination or Retail Bonus was $7298.

Destination(what Suzuki charges the dealer to ship the bike to them) was $365.

Retail Bonus is $267. What is Retail Bonus? It is "hold back". It is part of the dealers margin that the manufacture holds until you sell the bike and register the sale with the manufacture to start the warranty(if the bike has one). By registering the sale of the bike the manufacture can also contact the owner of recalls and they also can track sales trends. That is why they hold some of your money to insure that you register the sale. I call that money ransom money.

So, dealer net $7298 + destination $365 + retail sales bonus $267 = $7930. $7930 is what the dealer pays for the bike. The bike did retail for $8899 that year(you got that correct). Keep in mind, the dealer does get his $267 back once he registers the sale.

Manufactures normally have a stated setup/prep amount on bikes. Suzuki that year felt it was worth $50 for the assembly of the 450. They don't give you money back for that. Dealers will use that number at times if they dealer trade the bike and charge it to the other dealer if they have assembled it. No manufacture pays the dealer to assemble a bike.

Suzuki currently doesn't have any payouts for hitting number goals. The only thing they may do at times is have monthly programs where you may have a goal to hit. Years ago holdback money was only paid out once a year. It sucked when the manufacture was able to hold your money for that long. Now most pay it monthly or quarterly.

Rebates are money to help move product when its not moving. It's not hard to find what rebates are available on most models anymore. Currently, most inventory level is low so most rebates have gone away or are getting to be smaller amounts.
Man that post is from last year last fall I think. Anyway I can Appreciate your numbers however I got my numbers from a friend that is a GM of a local multi line store. Also the post was in ref to someone that had bought a left over model last year. bottom line my point was dealers dont make as much on these things as most think and they were not loosing money either. I think I gave 7200.00 for my 19 in march of 19 that was out the door with no tax. and I gave 7050.00 for my 18 in march of 18 soooo. I worked in a car dealership for several years and know exactly how that works bikes a a lil diff but not much. One thing is for sure you can hardly find a new DB sitting on the floor anywhere these days and they want top $ in most places. LOL
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rmgsxr wrote:
Throwing out all of those numbers I was thinking that you worked at a shop. You are way off. I will throw some numbers in here...
Throwing out all of those numbers I was thinking that you worked at a shop. You are way off. I will throw some numbers in here and most won't believe them but some will back it up.

This is for a 2018 RM-Z450.

Dealer Net without destination or Retail Bonus was $7298.

Destination(what Suzuki charges the dealer to ship the bike to them) was $365.

Retail Bonus is $267. What is Retail Bonus? It is "hold back". It is part of the dealers margin that the manufacture holds until you sell the bike and register the sale with the manufacture to start the warranty(if the bike has one). By registering the sale of the bike the manufacture can also contact the owner of recalls and they also can track sales trends. That is why they hold some of your money to insure that you register the sale. I call that money ransom money.

So, dealer net $7298 + destination $365 + retail sales bonus $267 = $7930. $7930 is what the dealer pays for the bike. The bike did retail for $8899 that year(you got that correct). Keep in mind, the dealer does get his $267 back once he registers the sale.

Manufactures normally have a stated setup/prep amount on bikes. Suzuki that year felt it was worth $50 for the assembly of the 450. They don't give you money back for that. Dealers will use that number at times if they dealer trade the bike and charge it to the other dealer if they have assembled it. No manufacture pays the dealer to assemble a bike.

Suzuki currently doesn't have any payouts for hitting number goals. The only thing they may do at times is have monthly programs where you may have a goal to hit. Years ago holdback money was only paid out once a year. It sucked when the manufacture was able to hold your money for that long. Now most pay it monthly or quarterly.

Rebates are money to help move product when its not moving. It's not hard to find what rebates are available on most models anymore. Currently, most inventory level is low so most rebates have gone away or are getting to be smaller amounts.
Yeah, what this guy said!

OEM rebates are strategically placed on units that are not selling. Think about that and what bikes have/had rebates. How much was the KTM 450SX FE rebate?

The current situation is that demand has grown while supply channels have slowed creating the opposite effect. Most MX bikes are like C8 Corvettes these days, not many deals to be had. Nobody is getting hosed, its just the way economics and the market works.


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Gillboy67 wrote:
Your math makes no sense. so lets back this out as this is the way you do it to show gross profit. 2018 RMZ450 msrp price...
Your math makes no sense.
so lets back this out as this is the way you do it to show gross profit.
2018 RMZ450 msrp price 8899.00 dealer cost 6897.00 this incl frt and set up.The manufacture pays the dealer 150-250 to set the bike up and is payed to the dealer when the sale is reported. In June of 2018 there was a 500.00 dealer rebate and 500.00 customer rebate end of the model year.

your sale price was 7100 otd so they sold you the bike for 6545.00 less net cost of 5897.00 total gross profit was. 648.00
A book out sheet would reed like this.
OTD price 7100.00
sales tax 495.00
title 60.00
net Sell price- 6545.00 COST with rebates 5897.00
set up pd 150.00 tech pd 60.00
total in 6755.00 total cost 5957.00
total net profit on deal..............$738.00 Not a home run but its a sale also dealers do get year end money if they hit there #s
rmgsxr wrote:
Throwing out all of those numbers I was thinking that you worked at a shop. You are way off. I will throw some numbers in here...
Throwing out all of those numbers I was thinking that you worked at a shop. You are way off. I will throw some numbers in here and most won't believe them but some will back it up.

This is for a 2018 RM-Z450.

Dealer Net without destination or Retail Bonus was $7298.

Destination(what Suzuki charges the dealer to ship the bike to them) was $365.

Retail Bonus is $267. What is Retail Bonus? It is "hold back". It is part of the dealers margin that the manufacture holds until you sell the bike and register the sale with the manufacture to start the warranty(if the bike has one). By registering the sale of the bike the manufacture can also contact the owner of recalls and they also can track sales trends. That is why they hold some of your money to insure that you register the sale. I call that money ransom money.

So, dealer net $7298 + destination $365 + retail sales bonus $267 = $7930. $7930 is what the dealer pays for the bike. The bike did retail for $8899 that year(you got that correct). Keep in mind, the dealer does get his $267 back once he registers the sale.

Manufactures normally have a stated setup/prep amount on bikes. Suzuki that year felt it was worth $50 for the assembly of the 450. They don't give you money back for that. Dealers will use that number at times if they dealer trade the bike and charge it to the other dealer if they have assembled it. No manufacture pays the dealer to assemble a bike.

Suzuki currently doesn't have any payouts for hitting number goals. The only thing they may do at times is have monthly programs where you may have a goal to hit. Years ago holdback money was only paid out once a year. It sucked when the manufacture was able to hold your money for that long. Now most pay it monthly or quarterly.

Rebates are money to help move product when its not moving. It's not hard to find what rebates are available on most models anymore. Currently, most inventory level is low so most rebates have gone away or are getting to be smaller amounts.
Gillboy67 wrote:
Man that post is from last year last fall I think. Anyway I can Appreciate your numbers however I got my numbers from a friend that...
Man that post is from last year last fall I think. Anyway I can Appreciate your numbers however I got my numbers from a friend that is a GM of a local multi line store. Also the post was in ref to someone that had bought a left over model last year. bottom line my point was dealers dont make as much on these things as most think and they were not loosing money either. I think I gave 7200.00 for my 19 in march of 19 that was out the door with no tax. and I gave 7050.00 for my 18 in march of 18 soooo. I worked in a car dealership for several years and know exactly how that works bikes a a lil diff but not much. One thing is for sure you can hardly find a new DB sitting on the floor anywhere these days and they want top $ in most places. LOL
You were replying to someone that OWNS a multiline dealership that went into this files and gave you exact numbers from the exact time period discussed.

That said, you are both on the same page!
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My how the tables have turned since COVID. Call any shop that has a 250 or 450 in stock and ask them for an out the door price. Dealers around here want 10k for an rmz 250.
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Gillboy67 wrote:
Man that post is from last year last fall I think. Anyway I can Appreciate your numbers however I got my numbers from a friend that...
Man that post is from last year last fall I think. Anyway I can Appreciate your numbers however I got my numbers from a friend that is a GM of a local multi line store. Also the post was in ref to someone that had bought a left over model last year. bottom line my point was dealers dont make as much on these things as most think and they were not loosing money either. I think I gave 7200.00 for my 19 in march of 19 that was out the door with no tax. and I gave 7050.00 for my 18 in march of 18 soooo. I worked in a car dealership for several years and know exactly how that works bikes a a lil diff but not much. One thing is for sure you can hardly find a new DB sitting on the floor anywhere these days and they want top $ in most places. LOL
Crap, just went to the last page and scanned through it. Oh well, numbers are still the same. Not trying to argue about anything, just throwing out info.
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seth505 wrote:
My how the tables have turned since COVID. Call any shop that has a 250 or 450 in stock and ask them for an out the...
My how the tables have turned since COVID. Call any shop that has a 250 or 450 in stock and ask them for an out the door price. Dealers around here want 10k for an rmz 250.
Not here. How many do you need?
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Dirty Points 1/21/2021 11:43am
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seth505 wrote:
My how the tables have turned since COVID. Call any shop that has a 250 or 450 in stock and ask them for an out the...
My how the tables have turned since COVID. Call any shop that has a 250 or 450 in stock and ask them for an out the door price. Dealers around here want 10k for an rmz 250.
What is surprising, is I still see a fair number of the new KX-X models at dealers, even as everything else has run out. The KXs ran away with the shootouts, and the X looks every bit as good, but possibly a little more versatile.
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Dirty Points wrote:
What is surprising, is I still see a fair number of the new KX-X models at dealers, even as everything else has run out. The KXs...
What is surprising, is I still see a fair number of the new KX-X models at dealers, even as everything else has run out. The KXs ran away with the shootouts, and the X looks every bit as good, but possibly a little more versatile.
Wow, that is definitely weird. I'd think those would be gone as well.
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Worst bike in the field!! LOL You know everyone on here is a top level national pro and needs the bike that wins the shoot out...
Worst bike in the field!! LOL You know everyone on here is a top level national pro and needs the bike that wins the shoot out. Funny how 2 of the 450 guys that went from zooks last year to KTM and Honda this year are basically where they where on the zooks JS17 and BT20. You put a top guy on a Zook ET3 KR94 yellow would win. Yes they need an Estart!! and a diet but bottom line the Zook is a good solid reliable bike for 90% of local racers and a solid platform to build from for a pro. Oh and 1/2 the peeps on here dont even line up behind a gate they trial ride or are professional practice/tack day riders (nothing wrong with that but .....) and 1/4 on here dont even ride. Soooo
They were a good bike for 90% or local racers back in 2008 when they were last updated
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They totally suck. Anybody who buys a Suzuki is a Moran!

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Dirty Points wrote:
What is surprising, is I still see a fair number of the new KX-X models at dealers, even as everything else has run out. The KXs...
What is surprising, is I still see a fair number of the new KX-X models at dealers, even as everything else has run out. The KXs ran away with the shootouts, and the X looks every bit as good, but possibly a little more versatile.
seth505 wrote:
Wow, that is definitely weird. I'd think those would be gone as well.
I think it is regional. Around here you can find the KX MX versions easier than the X.
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Gillboy67 wrote:
Worst bike in the field!! LOL You know everyone on here is a top level national pro and needs the bike that wins the shoot out...
Worst bike in the field!! LOL You know everyone on here is a top level national pro and needs the bike that wins the shoot out. Funny how 2 of the 450 guys that went from zooks last year to KTM and Honda this year are basically where they where on the zooks JS17 and BT20. You put a top guy on a Zook ET3 KR94 yellow would win. Yes they need an Estart!! and a diet but bottom line the Zook is a good solid reliable bike for 90% of local racers and a solid platform to build from for a pro. Oh and 1/2 the peeps on here dont even line up behind a gate they trial ride or are professional practice/tack day riders (nothing wrong with that but .....) and 1/4 on here dont even ride. Soooo
BroFoSho wrote:
They were a good bike for 90% or local racers back in 2008 when they were last updated
2018 goob
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Gillboy67 wrote:
Worst bike in the field!! LOL You know everyone on here is a top level national pro and needs the bike that wins the shoot out...
Worst bike in the field!! LOL You know everyone on here is a top level national pro and needs the bike that wins the shoot out. Funny how 2 of the 450 guys that went from zooks last year to KTM and Honda this year are basically where they where on the zooks JS17 and BT20. You put a top guy on a Zook ET3 KR94 yellow would win. Yes they need an Estart!! and a diet but bottom line the Zook is a good solid reliable bike for 90% of local racers and a solid platform to build from for a pro. Oh and 1/2 the peeps on here dont even line up behind a gate they trial ride or are professional practice/tack day riders (nothing wrong with that but .....) and 1/4 on here dont even ride. Soooo
BroFoSho wrote:
They were a good bike for 90% or local racers back in 2008 when they were last updated
Stock.rmz is good enough for ,95% riders in the world.
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Gillboy67 wrote:
Worst bike in the field!! LOL You know everyone on here is a top level national pro and needs the bike that wins the shoot out...
Worst bike in the field!! LOL You know everyone on here is a top level national pro and needs the bike that wins the shoot out. Funny how 2 of the 450 guys that went from zooks last year to KTM and Honda this year are basically where they where on the zooks JS17 and BT20. You put a top guy on a Zook ET3 KR94 yellow would win. Yes they need an Estart!! and a diet but bottom line the Zook is a good solid reliable bike for 90% of local racers and a solid platform to build from for a pro. Oh and 1/2 the peeps on here dont even line up behind a gate they trial ride or are professional practice/tack day riders (nothing wrong with that but .....) and 1/4 on here dont even ride. Soooo
BroFoSho wrote:
They were a good bike for 90% or local racers back in 2008 when they were last updated
mxb2 wrote:
Stock.rmz is good enough for ,95% riders in the world.
Agreed. For that matter... a 5 year old any bike is good enough for 95%.
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BroFoSho wrote:
They were a good bike for 90% or local racers back in 2008 when they were last updated
mxb2 wrote:
Stock.rmz is good enough for ,95% riders in the world.
ShawdowGlen wrote:
Agreed. For that matter... a 5 year old any bike is good enough for 95%.
Dude a stock xr200 is good enough for 99.9% repeating of course of all riders. Dude most people don't ride an xr200 to its potential only Ricky Carmichael can do that.
Did you know there's a video on YouTube of a guy on a xr600 that could beat anybody at your local track.
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Gillboy67 wrote:
Im in on a couple 100 if you are. Be careful I may know a little more than you think. So is the bet on early...
Im in on a couple 100 if you are.
Be careful I may know a little more than you think. So is the bet on early summer or just a new bike next yr??? I know for a fact the bike is coming the only guess on my part is timing. I say early summer BC I know where they are in development.
Subotai wrote:
I’m in. Here’s how we’ll do it. I’ll pay $200 if it is released before June; $100 if it comes out next year at all. If...
I’m in. Here’s how we’ll do it. I’ll pay $200 if it is released before June; $100 if it comes out next year at all. If it doesn’t come out at all next year, you owe $300. Sound fair?
Gillboy67 wrote:
Perfect!!!!
How you feeling, Gilly? New model a few months away or am I cashing checks? Smile
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I like Suzuki’s
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mattyhamz2 3/16/2021 9:05pm
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jsmith872 wrote:
I like Suzuki’s [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/03/16/483384/s1200_800B758B_11DF_4BB5_8CBA_4EE0F0668A91.jpg[/img]
I like Suzuki’s
I too, like Suzuki’s....




And Chick-fil-a!
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jsmith872 wrote:
I like Suzuki’s [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/03/16/483384/s1200_800B758B_11DF_4BB5_8CBA_4EE0F0668A91.jpg[/img]
I like Suzuki’s
give me the run down.

how do you like it in the woods?

How does it startup for the dead engine start?

Fuel mileage?

Also what class do you run? assuming that picture was from big buck this year. I run open B.

im thinking about making the switch due to them being cheaper and more reliable. I currently have a 19 kx450. I just wish it would hold up a little bit better at 150 hours.
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jsmith872 wrote:
I like Suzuki’s [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/03/16/483384/s1200_800B758B_11DF_4BB5_8CBA_4EE0F0668A91.jpg[/img]
I like Suzuki’s
bh wrote:
give me the run down. how do you like it in the woods? How does it startup for the dead engine start? Fuel mileage? Also what...
give me the run down.

how do you like it in the woods?

How does it startup for the dead engine start?

Fuel mileage?

Also what class do you run? assuming that picture was from big buck this year. I run open B.

im thinking about making the switch due to them being cheaper and more reliable. I currently have a 19 kx450. I just wish it would hold up a little bit better at 150 hours.
150 hours is a good chunk of time on any steed. General consensus is that the bikes today will hold up with proper maintenance. One caveat is Suzuki and Kawasaki tend to use cheaper materials on things like bolts, chain sliders, guides, etc.

If you want reliability, Yamaha is the way to go.
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jsmith872 wrote:
I like Suzuki’s [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/03/16/483384/s1200_800B758B_11DF_4BB5_8CBA_4EE0F0668A91.jpg[/img]
I like Suzuki’s
bh wrote:
give me the run down. how do you like it in the woods? How does it startup for the dead engine start? Fuel mileage? Also what...
give me the run down.

how do you like it in the woods?

How does it startup for the dead engine start?

Fuel mileage?

Also what class do you run? assuming that picture was from big buck this year. I run open B.

im thinking about making the switch due to them being cheaper and more reliable. I currently have a 19 kx450. I just wish it would hold up a little bit better at 150 hours.
Zycki11 wrote:
150 hours is a good chunk of time on any steed. General consensus is that the bikes today will hold up with proper maintenance. One caveat...
150 hours is a good chunk of time on any steed. General consensus is that the bikes today will hold up with proper maintenance. One caveat is Suzuki and Kawasaki tend to use cheaper materials on things like bolts, chain sliders, guides, etc.

If you want reliability, Yamaha is the way to go.
Im under the impression that the Suzuki being heavier is a tad overbuilt compared to the other mfgs. I could be wrong, but the hardware on the kawi is pretty rough. I think I bent 3 chain guides before switching over the a plastic one lol. And I dont think I've heard one blown up Suzuki story. Everyone seems to swear up and down that they are bullet proof.

My kawi hasnt blown on me, but I just worry about it. I did end up putting a crank in it at 100 hours for peace of mind.

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