How Do I Legally Have A Moto Track On My Property?

12/28/2020 12:53pm Edited Date/Time 12/28/2020 12:57pm
"Legal" is a relative term. Important things to consider before buying:

1) Neighbors
2) Zoning law as it pertains to environmental protections, if any. This is where you'll get hefty fines.

For example: my brother's property is on land still considered "forest" even though there isn't a real forest for about 25 miles West. It's almost entirely flat farm land but still zoned as "forest" and subject to different laws, restrictions, etc...

As long as you're not running a commercial business on the land and provided you don't have douchebag neighbors and provided you're not compromising environmentally protected land, the worst that might happen is a cease and desist letter from the county.

I trust the land you're considering buying has long-term value over and above the short-term enjoyment value of a private motocross track.
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12/28/2020 3:03pm
sumdood wrote:
I can’t be the only one pissed that this is even a real thing. What can I do on my property ? I hope you can...
I can’t be the only one pissed that this is even a real thing. What can I do on my property ? I hope you can pull it off and really hope someday this country gets back on the common sense train. Good luck to you
You are not the only one.
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12/28/2020 4:08pm
Just build it and ride it. Its your land you can do what you want.
Only hiccups would be if you destroyed some “wetlands” or messed up water drainage. EPA would be on your ass for that. Use common sense.
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12/28/2020 4:39pm
This is why I left Huntington Beach and moved to Colorado! I bought a 35 acre ranch and built two tracks and a shooting range. In...
This is why I left Huntington Beach and moved to Colorado! I bought a 35 acre ranch and built two tracks and a shooting range. In general the more Democrats live in an area the lower the probability you will be able to have a track! Elbert County CO is super conservative and people around here believe that you should be able to live free. Unfortunately we live in a time where freedom is not in style.
I love that part of CO. My family has a place off of Deerfield and Russellville. About 450 acres. No go on the MX track though since it's a horse rescue.
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The Shop

12/28/2020 6:27pm
Like others said, read all the local zoning regulations, city, county, township whatever. Make sure you're within your rights. I live 45 min east of you, bought 6 acres as well and built a private track. 5 years, only one anonymous letter. I didn't find any specific regulations, but some neighboring towns had rules about number of bikes and distance in feet from other dwelings. Some things to consider. Use your head, get to know your neighbors. Luckily mine have been cool so far. One thing that has helped me, my track is nestled in a small valley with some trees surrounding as a buffer.

I believe MN has many private MX tracks. Overall, motocross is alive and well in Minnesota compared to other states, considering how seasonal we are. That being said, send me a PM if you want to ride.

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12/28/2020 9:15pm Edited Date/Time 12/29/2020 12:05am
The reality is it's 100% a roll of the dice. Red state blue state none of that shit matters. I know of a LOT of private tracks all around me in SoCal that have no issues (gasp imagine that) along with a whole bunch that have. I know of private tracks all over the USA that have had no issues, and a bunch that have.

If you have a busybody neighbor (get fucked with the political stereotypes, there are shithead neighbors in every neighborhood in the country, of every ideology) who wants to call down the wrath of the zoning board, or you get one officious zoning worker, you are going to have a bad time.

Only advice I can give is, in the wise words of Gandalf "Keep it secret, keep it safe!"

Use common sense. Blasting around on a 450 with the latest aftermarket pipe reverberating across the land like the bellow of an angry god is a bad idea. My buddy had a badass mx track and woods trails in New England, in the middle of nowhere, and he'd only let you ride there if you had washers welded onto the back of your silencer to really quiet the bike down.

Don't post it on social media. Don't invite 30 of your friends over. Don't ride at weird hours and keep a low profile.

FWIW I ride around my property (gasp, in SoCal) all the time but I tend to grab the Alta more often than not because while my neighbors are fine with my loud bikes... I don't want to push my luck.
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12/28/2020 10:15pm
As said above, research your county ordinances, should be online.
Also, check with the county to be sure whats posted online is the current version.
A sound ordinance will be hurdle one.
Use zoning hurdle two(if there is use zoning), you get a special use permit or can request a variance.
Next is silt control, if applicable.
Amount of area allowed to be disturbed without a site plan (survey and engineering).
All these details and others will be contained in the county ordinances, or not.

As said above, neighbors are almost always why you have problems.
Most municipalities have no clue what you are doing on your property.
Agnes Kravitz is your real enemy.

If it is remote and no neighbors are near, I'd do it discretely and not tell the county.
But you still should know what you're up against if you have to permit or get approval.
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12/29/2020 5:35am
Thanks everyone for the input. I will be sure to look for some land away from everyone and with trees to help keep the noise and keep it from people knowing about it!

For those of you that do have a track and allow other people to ride it. Do you do anything with waivers and insurance?
Luckily I have some loyal friends and will just say they got hurt elsewhere, but you never know...
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12/29/2020 5:47am
By the time you get all this figured out electric bikes will probably be a thing and you wont have to worry Laughing
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12/29/2020 5:59am
I ride a few private places in MN and WI. I have heard some weird stuff about the N Metro in places, but I cant accurately describe what I heard or if its true (involved being south of 95 around North Branch or something)

Anyways, a complaining neighbor is never a good thing no matter how legal.

All the private tracks/trails Ive ridden have had us sign a liability waiver each year. I have zero problem signing them and totally understand the owners trying to limit liability. Ive broke a bone at a private place and my Health insurance provider was giving me the 20 questions about how it occurred. Any time a motorized vehicle is potentially involved, insurance companies light up. Fortunately I knew enough in advance that I had a story on deck. Who knows what or how they would have gone after or tried to deny coverage
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kb228 wrote:
Just build it and ride it. Its your land you can do what you want. Only hiccups would be if you destroyed some “wetlands” or messed...
Just build it and ride it. Its your land you can do what you want.
Only hiccups would be if you destroyed some “wetlands” or messed up water drainage. EPA would be on your ass for that. Use common sense.
Using common sense would be not taking any of this advice LOL.
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12/29/2020 6:23am
Just make sure you get land that is far enough away from anyone. Trees help a lot, and they block the wind. It doesn’t matter what you do, if someone complains, you’re in trouble.
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12/29/2020 8:48am
Alex.434 wrote:
The reality is it's 100% a roll of the dice. Red state blue state none of that shit matters. I know of a LOT of private...
The reality is it's 100% a roll of the dice. Red state blue state none of that shit matters. I know of a LOT of private tracks all around me in SoCal that have no issues (gasp imagine that) along with a whole bunch that have. I know of private tracks all over the USA that have had no issues, and a bunch that have.

If you have a busybody neighbor (get fucked with the political stereotypes, there are shithead neighbors in every neighborhood in the country, of every ideology) who wants to call down the wrath of the zoning board, or you get one officious zoning worker, you are going to have a bad time.

Only advice I can give is, in the wise words of Gandalf "Keep it secret, keep it safe!"

Use common sense. Blasting around on a 450 with the latest aftermarket pipe reverberating across the land like the bellow of an angry god is a bad idea. My buddy had a badass mx track and woods trails in New England, in the middle of nowhere, and he'd only let you ride there if you had washers welded onto the back of your silencer to really quiet the bike down.

Don't post it on social media. Don't invite 30 of your friends over. Don't ride at weird hours and keep a low profile.

FWIW I ride around my property (gasp, in SoCal) all the time but I tend to grab the Alta more often than not because while my neighbors are fine with my loud bikes... I don't want to push my luck.
This, 100%. You can do all the homework you can, or even pay a lawyer to do it - but all of that is no guarantee by a long stretch. Bylaws etc. usually have a 'degree of interpretation' to them, and all it takes is one complaint to 'the authorities' to bring all that under scrutiny or re-interpretation or re-application and it can be game over in a hurry. This day & age, most enforcement of things like this is complaint driven - and from what I have seen, enforcement is then heavily biased to favor the complainers.
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12/29/2020 2:29pm
Keep it simple. Rent a tractor, and cut a simple turn track. Nothing more. Ride it a lot for 6 months to see if anyone complains and you get any flack. Then start thinking about moving dirt. Moving dirt is expensive, so make sure you get to flack before you invest money. No matter what the rules and laws are, if your neighbors do not like it, you will have issues.
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12/29/2020 2:40pm Edited Date/Time 12/29/2020 2:47pm
I bought 30 acres a couple years ago. When I approached one of my neighbors to introduce myself, we go to talking about what I had planned for the land. I mentioned I had some questions about what was allowable in the area because we liked riding bikes and he gave me a puzzled look and said "your land sir".

They all shoot regularly and have a group text to let others know when they plan to shoot. We use our land how we want, but we all respect each other and try to be courteous.

I love Texas.
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12/29/2020 3:11pm
AxlBundy wrote:
I ride a few private places in MN and WI. I have heard some weird stuff about the N Metro in places, but I cant accurately...
I ride a few private places in MN and WI. I have heard some weird stuff about the N Metro in places, but I cant accurately describe what I heard or if its true (involved being south of 95 around North Branch or something)

Anyways, a complaining neighbor is never a good thing no matter how legal.

All the private tracks/trails Ive ridden have had us sign a liability waiver each year. I have zero problem signing them and totally understand the owners trying to limit liability. Ive broke a bone at a private place and my Health insurance provider was giving me the 20 questions about how it occurred. Any time a motorized vehicle is potentially involved, insurance companies light up. Fortunately I knew enough in advance that I had a story on deck. Who knows what or how they would have gone after or tried to deny coverage
I had a track for thirty years, had a lot of supercross elements that made it no fun for novices to ride so they stayed away for the most part. That said, made sure I increased our liability insurance, had non family members riding horses on the property too. People did get hurt over the years but that's as far as that went, nobody filed claims against us. We all got too old for that style of track so I dozed it back flat into more horse pastures. Then I built an early seventies style no jump track even further off the road. Out in farm country, never heard any complaints from neighbors although they likely don't want to hear anything about all their shooting either. Had a lawyer tell me that waivers may suggest that they are signing away their rights to sue but they won't hold up in court.
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12/29/2020 3:31pm
250 cross wrote:
I had a track for thirty years, had a lot of supercross elements that made it no fun for novices to ride so they stayed away...
I had a track for thirty years, had a lot of supercross elements that made it no fun for novices to ride so they stayed away for the most part. That said, made sure I increased our liability insurance, had non family members riding horses on the property too. People did get hurt over the years but that's as far as that went, nobody filed claims against us. We all got too old for that style of track so I dozed it back flat into more horse pastures. Then I built an early seventies style no jump track even further off the road. Out in farm country, never heard any complaints from neighbors although they likely don't want to hear anything about all their shooting either. Had a lawyer tell me that waivers may suggest that they are signing away their rights to sue but they won't hold up in court.
It really isn't your buddies you have to worry about suing you, it's their health insurance companies. Every time I've been hurt on my bike the insurance companies send a letter looking for who else they can blame it on or whose property the injury occurred on.
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12/29/2020 4:40pm
Why even ask? It’s not a track...it’s just a few bumps of dirt...
12/29/2020 4:44pm
Keep it simple. Rent a tractor, and cut a simple turn track. Nothing more. Ride it a lot for 6 months to see if anyone complains...
Keep it simple. Rent a tractor, and cut a simple turn track. Nothing more. Ride it a lot for 6 months to see if anyone complains and you get any flack. Then start thinking about moving dirt. Moving dirt is expensive, so make sure you get to flack before you invest money. No matter what the rules and laws are, if your neighbors do not like it, you will have issues.
I was gonna add another comment regarding this exact statement. StartedTooLate nailed it. I didn't build mine over night, every year add a new feature. Slowly build it up.
I didn't get my anonymous letter until I moved a bunch of dirt. I think they were afraid what was to come. But I'm just a weekend warrior, and haven't had any complaints in almost 2 years since then. Only ride between 10am - 6pm, usually only ride the weekends I'm not racing.
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12/29/2020 5:09pm
I have a track in the trees...and I will say that two strokes lightly muffled are not anywhere near as noisy as a 4 stroke.....plus trees make it a little bit incognito.....I.ve never had a problem as trees really deaden sound....
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12/29/2020 5:47pm Edited Date/Time 12/29/2020 7:48pm
A lot of good advice here. Have had a track for about 4 years at our place. Mostly 2 strokes, fast 85 kids, 4 strokes are horrendous for the noise as we all know. Tree cover helps a lot if you can find it, for both noise, dust and just keeping it out of sight. I know all of our neighbors, and only 3 or so could even hear the track. Most folks out here shoot or have UTVs, ATVs, etc. You really need to find the right area, but even then people move and all of a sudden you could have a problem.

Our track mainly follows the lay of the land, so did not have to move a crazy amount of dirt, track is 1.2 miles, about 150 vertical feet from the low point to high point, some big step ups, step downs, up and overs, etc. I would say only 2 jumps are completely man made, and I had to move as much dirt for those 2 as the other 12 on the track combined (and I do think 14 jumps is way too many but my boys twisted my arm). Having good terrain makes your job easy when it comes time to building the track. A dozer and a skidsteer is all I have ever had on it.

Waivers matter here in California, they may not mean much in Minnesota. I also have large insurance policies including an umbrella policy on top of liability. Also if you are thinking about asking permission from your county do it long before you buy the property. Otherwise keep it low key and be cautious about the noise, dust, etc. build good neighbor relationships, etc. Good luck whatever you decide!











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I put a track in at my house, haven’t had any issues with it what so ever.... [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/12/28/468500/s1200_CF677583_897B_4F80_B7EC_DBD4F6B67814.jpg[/img]
I put a track in at my house, haven’t had any issues with it what so ever....
DM268 wrote:
That is a sweet looking track! Super flat out by me. I hope to find some elevation like what you have.
Thank you. We're gonna make a few changes to the layout but pretty happy with how it came out. Heres a couple videos from a drone...
Thank you. We're gonna make a few changes to the layout but pretty happy with how it came out. Heres a couple videos from a drone and one of it being ridden
https://www.instagram.com/p/B_QdycupbF0/

https://www.instagram.com/p/CHt04lxsmPiITTgMIjw0ZY6bf6DSxyanRk_NM00/
Where are you in norcal? I would love ride at a track that nice!
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12/30/2020 7:06am Edited Date/Time 12/30/2020 7:09am
I just signed a contract for 13 acres and trying to get the 5 acres next door. There is only one neighbor for a long ways. The property already has a skeet range with throwers set up. I had a meeting with the city land management and asked how much dirt I could move for landscaping and about digging lakes and no restrictions. Didn't mention moto. The property is very nice and right next to the river for watersports too. I was there for inspection yesterday and a friend of the owners came and loaded up some tree stands and furniture in his trailer. He said by owning this property we get access to this private hunting land down the street and if we don't hunt it has good offroading. I asked about the neighbor and he said oh your only neighbor is the county Sheriff. Usually that would be ok but I fealt kind of sick after he said that.
As far as waivers go, they help a little and even if your best friends won't sue you, insurance companies go right over their head and sue even if they won't. I have had my gear cut off me at the hospital and always say fell off ladder at home and then answer yes I always wear this fancy safety gear when on a ladder.
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DM268 wrote:
That is a sweet looking track! Super flat out by me. I hope to find some elevation like what you have.
Thank you. We're gonna make a few changes to the layout but pretty happy with how it came out. Heres a couple videos from a drone...
Thank you. We're gonna make a few changes to the layout but pretty happy with how it came out. Heres a couple videos from a drone and one of it being ridden
https://www.instagram.com/p/B_QdycupbF0/

https://www.instagram.com/p/CHt04lxsmPiITTgMIjw0ZY6bf6DSxyanRk_NM00/
Where are you in norcal? I would love ride at a track that nice!
Up by Sacramento

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