If a Rider Gets Covid...

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12/14/2020 3:35pm
JeepnMike wrote:
And in my usual fashion, I post unpopular opinion on this stuff. LOL. Riders currently do not miss races even when they have a lung hanging...
And in my usual fashion, I post unpopular opinion on this stuff. LOL. Riders currently do not miss races even when they have a lung hanging out from the flu and barfing before or after the races. At what point will this be nonsense and riders are not forced to miss races that have potential impacts on their careers?
haydos25 wrote:
If you think the people making the rules care about the riders careers then you're in dreamland. If the waiter at the cafe cant work with...
If you think the people making the rules care about the riders careers then you're in dreamland. If the waiter at the cafe cant work with covid then why should Eli Tomac be allowed to? Because he's rich and famous?
You missed the point. The question was "at what point will this rule end?" I am aware the people making the rules do not care about little people like you and I.

Please don't make the assumption I am downplaying the issue, and I am honestly most sympathetic to folks in AUS in all of this. But at some point, people are going to either see this as a flu after vaccination, or end up in the looney bin. And it is a fair question to ask when in this situation. They can't just ban riders forever, they can't test everybody forever for that matter either. This is not normal, and it should not be considered normal.
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12/14/2020 3:40pm
JeepnMike wrote:
And in my usual fashion, I post unpopular opinion on this stuff. LOL. Riders currently do not miss races even when they have a lung hanging...
And in my usual fashion, I post unpopular opinion on this stuff. LOL. Riders currently do not miss races even when they have a lung hanging out from the flu and barfing before or after the races. At what point will this be nonsense and riders are not forced to miss races that have potential impacts on their careers?
haydos25 wrote:
If you think the people making the rules care about the riders careers then you're in dreamland. If the waiter at the cafe cant work with...
If you think the people making the rules care about the riders careers then you're in dreamland. If the waiter at the cafe cant work with covid then why should Eli Tomac be allowed to? Because he's rich and famous?
JeepnMike wrote:
You missed the point. The question was "at what point will this rule end?" I am aware the people making the rules do not care about...
You missed the point. The question was "at what point will this rule end?" I am aware the people making the rules do not care about little people like you and I.

Please don't make the assumption I am downplaying the issue, and I am honestly most sympathetic to folks in AUS in all of this. But at some point, people are going to either see this as a flu after vaccination, or end up in the looney bin. And it is a fair question to ask when in this situation. They can't just ban riders forever, they can't test everybody forever for that matter either. This is not normal, and it should not be considered normal.
May I ask why you are sympathetic to us in Aus?
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JeepnMike
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12/14/2020 3:45pm
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May I ask why you are sympathetic to us in Aus?
Because I have family there. I know the impacts of the lock downs are bad in the US (especially coastal states), but you folks in AUS have it much worse than we do. It has to be hard financially, but even the mental strain has to be awful.
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haydos25
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12/14/2020 3:51pm
CM_84 wrote:
May I ask why you are sympathetic to us in Aus?
JeepnMike wrote:
Because I have family there. I know the impacts of the lock downs are bad in the US (especially coastal states), but you folks in AUS...
Because I have family there. I know the impacts of the lock downs are bad in the US (especially coastal states), but you folks in AUS have it much worse than we do. It has to be hard financially, but even the mental strain has to be awful.
Its actually pretty good down here at present.

I cant really think of any industry that is still completely shut down, and i think our Xmas down here will be as normal as anywhere in the world this year. Like has been mentioned before, largely due to individuals realising what needed to be done, banding together as a group, abiding by the best advise we had at the time and getting ontop of things.

As far as when this will end, nobody knows. But to think that SX will be in any way different in responding to a Covid positive then any of the other major sporting codes throughout the world is living a fantasy.
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CM_84 wrote:
May I ask why you are sympathetic to us in Aus?
For me, my brother in law is an architect in Perth
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CM_84
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12/14/2020 4:17pm Edited Date/Time 12/14/2020 4:32pm
CM_84 wrote:
May I ask why you are sympathetic to us in Aus?
JeepnMike wrote:
Because I have family there. I know the impacts of the lock downs are bad in the US (especially coastal states), but you folks in AUS...
Because I have family there. I know the impacts of the lock downs are bad in the US (especially coastal states), but you folks in AUS have it much worse than we do. It has to be hard financially, but even the mental strain has to be awful.
Like Haydos said it’s pretty good down here now, truthfully all but Melbourne hasn’t had huge restrictions outside of tourism.
The economy is doing pretty well, we are recovering, technically out of recession. Unemployment levels aren’t too bad considering, it’s about the same as the US, 6.7% last I checked.
The stock market is pretty much back to what it was back in March.
I live in the city that had by fair the strictest lockdown, and now we are 40 something days without a single case of community transmission, everything is back open now, albeit with some restrictions on how many people per square meter, and we have to wear a mask in supermarkets, shopping centers and public transport.
Honestly it feels pretty normal now, I went to a few pubs on the weekend and it didn’t feel much different.
I am not saying it’s all sunshine and rainbows (just like literally every country I would think), and the restrictions a few months ago in Melbourne were pretty rough, but in hindsight most feel they were worth it considering where we are now.
So honestly, thank you for the concern, but it really is pretty good now, I think most Aussies feel pretty lucky when we read about what is happening in other countries.
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My cousin and her family live in Melbourne. She is from Houston so her views skew a certain way, but her and her hubby were/are perfectly fine with the measures taken to try and get control of the situation. Now they are enjoying the summer months with friends at the beach and having small gatherings. They still wear their masks in public places, but that's about it.

Then again, their government did their best to help people financially so they could have an effective lockdown. Pretty much the opposite of here.
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Oh, and for those of you bitching about testing, restrictions, and that it's bullshit a rider might miss a race due to a positive test/re-test, go call up FELD's insurance lawyers. They are the ones writing those rules.
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Against my better judgement, I’m going to make some general Covid comments.

There’s been plenty of remarks in this thread about the ‘end game’ for restrictions and I couldn’t see what that may be either, but last night I listed to an interview with a physician in Australia who’s been the go to man for commentary throughout the Covid saga here in Oz. He said in plain words something that I think most don’t know or have misunderstood about the dreaded Rona:

Paraphrasing- you can catch and have Covid virus without developing Covid disease, this means you’ll have few symptoms, not be sick, but you will be contagious. It’s the people who develop the disease who have issues that can prove fatal. Now what the vaccines do is stop you from developing Covid disease, so the population can live with Covid virus as a minor illness like the common cold.

That’s the ‘end game’ if enough people get vaccinated. If not, than it can carry on for years, especially in countries that have managed it poorly up until now.
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If a rider got Covid, their riding performance may slightly decrease. They would be pissed they have to miss races due to a mild cold. There is also a chance they don’t even have Covid to begin with.
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avidchimp wrote:
Oh, and for those of you bitching about testing, restrictions, and that it's bullshit a rider might miss a race due to a positive test/re-test, go...
Oh, and for those of you bitching about testing, restrictions, and that it's bullshit a rider might miss a race due to a positive test/re-test, go call up FELD's insurance lawyers. They are the ones writing those rules.
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Some of the replies in this thread are eye opening Blink
I’m conflicted. Who should I believe?, a bunch of scientists and medical professionals, or a bunch of people who struggled in high school chemistry?....
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People need to really look at the PCR test and understand it, especially teams as others have noted.
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i get my vaccine wednesday ... can’t wait!!!
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I’m conflicted. Who should I believe?, a bunch of scientists and medical professionals, or a bunch of people who struggled in high school chemistry?....
Depends on which scientist and medical professionals you choose to believe.
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Interesting comments made so far. Good to see various questions discussed at least
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I’d imagine the riders can get access to a vaccine somehow. Would be stupid not to try to get vaccinated ASAP.
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If masks were the answer, shouldn’t we all need to wear an “approved” mask? Why are people not bitching about the “fabric” people make as a mask? Seems like a good solution if this actually solved the People wear anything over there mouth and it’s all good, regardless of safety or not.

Do we wear masks forever? What is the total deaths in the U.S. this year compared to last? Should be lopsided correct?

Out of all the professional athletes that have gotten it, has it affected them any once they return? Seems like being in shape sure helps.

The government has had 6 months to prepare for this flu season. What have they done in the time? Nothing. Small business and restaurant owners have jumped through hoops to meet the standards put in front of them. Why doesn’t the government work half as hard?

I don’t wear a mask daily, as I see no reason too. I don’t confront people who do, but it is my choice. I take the risk in stride and continue my normal life.
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12/21/2020 6:24pm Edited Date/Time 12/21/2020 6:26pm
dc444 wrote:
If masks were the answer, shouldn’t we all need to wear an “approved” mask? Why are people not bitching about the “fabric” people make as a...
If masks were the answer, shouldn’t we all need to wear an “approved” mask? Why are people not bitching about the “fabric” people make as a mask? Seems like a good solution if this actually solved the People wear anything over there mouth and it’s all good, regardless of safety or not.

Do we wear masks forever? What is the total deaths in the U.S. this year compared to last? Should be lopsided correct?

Out of all the professional athletes that have gotten it, has it affected them any once they return? Seems like being in shape sure helps.

The government has had 6 months to prepare for this flu season. What have they done in the time? Nothing. Small business and restaurant owners have jumped through hoops to meet the standards put in front of them. Why doesn’t the government work half as hard?

I don’t wear a mask daily, as I see no reason too. I don’t confront people who do, but it is my choice. I take the risk in stride and continue my normal life.
Myles Garrett of the Cleveland Browns is still having breathing issues after COVID.

USA Today story
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UF Basketball star and top prospect, Keyontae Johnson

Tested positive over the summer, falls over on his face during a game, hauled out on stretcher, 3 days in a coma.


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I’m conflicted. Who should I believe?, a bunch of scientists and medical professionals, or a bunch of people who struggled in high school chemistry?....
mxpro252 wrote:
Depends on which scientist and medical professionals you choose to believe.
I'm unaware of any credible professional sources who don't advocate social distancing, masks, and vaccination. Who are the scientists and medical professionals who disagree with these precautions?
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I’m conflicted. Who should I believe?, a bunch of scientists and medical professionals, or a bunch of people who struggled in high school chemistry?....
mxpro252 wrote:
Depends on which scientist and medical professionals you choose to believe.
I'm unaware of any credible professional sources who don't advocate social distancing, masks, and vaccination. Who are the scientists and medical professionals who disagree with these...
I'm unaware of any credible professional sources who don't advocate social distancing, masks, and vaccination. Who are the scientists and medical professionals who disagree with these precautions?
I’ve personally been told by a pediatrician that the mask aren’t a solution, just something to create time, even if that works 10% wound be a benefit, but on another hand, I’ve been told by a senior military commander, either you make it through or you’ll be remembered. Harsh but true.
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Whoever said masks were the solution?
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I'm unaware of any credible professional sources who don't advocate social distancing, masks, and vaccination. Who are the scientists and medical professionals who disagree with these...
I'm unaware of any credible professional sources who don't advocate social distancing, masks, and vaccination. Who are the scientists and medical professionals who disagree with these precautions?
WHO, CDC, Oxford Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine, University of East Anglia, New England Journal of Medicine, Norwich School of Medicine are some that have published opinions opposite of what the media is pushing.

There are also many medical experts and virologists raising concerns about rushed vaccines.

I’m not saying there’s a settled consensus, but I am saying there is enough info out there that it seems pretty wild to hear strong confidence in one stance. There’s nothing wrong with asking questions and it’s pretty suspicious when the public is being swayed to attack and ridicule people that do.
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I'm unaware of any credible professional sources who don't advocate social distancing, masks, and vaccination. Who are the scientists and medical professionals who disagree with these...
I'm unaware of any credible professional sources who don't advocate social distancing, masks, and vaccination. Who are the scientists and medical professionals who disagree with these precautions?
mxpro252 wrote:
WHO, CDC, Oxford Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine, University of East Anglia, New England Journal of Medicine, Norwich School of Medicine are some that have published opinions...
WHO, CDC, Oxford Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine, University of East Anglia, New England Journal of Medicine, Norwich School of Medicine are some that have published opinions opposite of what the media is pushing.

There are also many medical experts and virologists raising concerns about rushed vaccines.

I’m not saying there’s a settled consensus, but I am saying there is enough info out there that it seems pretty wild to hear strong confidence in one stance. There’s nothing wrong with asking questions and it’s pretty suspicious when the public is being swayed to attack and ridicule people that do.
Do you still have your xr75.
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I'm unaware of any credible professional sources who don't advocate social distancing, masks, and vaccination. Who are the scientists and medical professionals who disagree with these...
I'm unaware of any credible professional sources who don't advocate social distancing, masks, and vaccination. Who are the scientists and medical professionals who disagree with these precautions?
mxpro252 wrote:
WHO, CDC, Oxford Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine, University of East Anglia, New England Journal of Medicine, Norwich School of Medicine are some that have published opinions...
WHO, CDC, Oxford Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine, University of East Anglia, New England Journal of Medicine, Norwich School of Medicine are some that have published opinions opposite of what the media is pushing.

There are also many medical experts and virologists raising concerns about rushed vaccines.

I’m not saying there’s a settled consensus, but I am saying there is enough info out there that it seems pretty wild to hear strong confidence in one stance. There’s nothing wrong with asking questions and it’s pretty suspicious when the public is being swayed to attack and ridicule people that do.
Absolutely untrue. Links please, from credible sources.
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I'm unaware of any credible professional sources who don't advocate social distancing, masks, and vaccination. Who are the scientists and medical professionals who disagree with these...
I'm unaware of any credible professional sources who don't advocate social distancing, masks, and vaccination. Who are the scientists and medical professionals who disagree with these precautions?
mxpro252 wrote:
WHO, CDC, Oxford Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine, University of East Anglia, New England Journal of Medicine, Norwich School of Medicine are some that have published opinions...
WHO, CDC, Oxford Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine, University of East Anglia, New England Journal of Medicine, Norwich School of Medicine are some that have published opinions opposite of what the media is pushing.

There are also many medical experts and virologists raising concerns about rushed vaccines.

I’m not saying there’s a settled consensus, but I am saying there is enough info out there that it seems pretty wild to hear strong confidence in one stance. There’s nothing wrong with asking questions and it’s pretty suspicious when the public is being swayed to attack and ridicule people that do.
There will always be a scientist or doctor opposing the scientific consensus to gain attention. See climate change. The same thing is true here.

Also, the CDC made some mistakes early on, but has since course corrected, for the most part. That's part of science.
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