Definitive GASGAS-KTM parts differences thread

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I'm looking at the Dirt Bike Mag Buyer's Guide with the KTM 125 at $7399 and the Gas Gas 125 at $6799. If they are that...
I'm looking at the Dirt Bike Mag Buyer's Guide with the KTM 125 at $7399 and the Gas Gas 125 at $6799. If they are that close, how come the Gas Gas is $600 cheaper?
That Gas Gas is Bad Ass!
per the reviews, forged triple clamps vs billet, no traction control, no ecu switch, no launch control its the "basic" version of KTM, or the Suzuki...
per the reviews, forged triple clamps vs billet, no traction control, no ecu switch, no launch control

its the "basic" version of KTM, or the Suzuki version LOL
starjammir wrote:
No hour meter, silver wheels, maxxis tires. Its still a hell of a deal for a bike.
Trying to figure out how $9,400 MSRP is a ‘hell of a deal’
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per the reviews, forged triple clamps vs billet, no traction control, no ecu switch, no launch control its the "basic" version of KTM, or the Suzuki...
per the reviews, forged triple clamps vs billet, no traction control, no ecu switch, no launch control

its the "basic" version of KTM, or the Suzuki version LOL
starjammir wrote:
No hour meter, silver wheels, maxxis tires. Its still a hell of a deal for a bike.
cloud41 wrote:
Trying to figure out how $9,400 MSRP is a ‘hell of a deal’
2021 450 MXer Prices...
Husqvarna FC450:$10,299
KTM 450SX-F: $10,199
Honda CRF450R: $9,599
Kawasaki KX450: $9,399
Yamaha YZ450F: $9,399
Suzuki RM-Z450: $8,999

At $9,399 you're getting an Austrian bike for Japanese prices.

If you really think ya need it, you can add the "Combination Switch" (TC and ECU-Curves) and an hour-meter for around $200.

It really comes down to what someone wants and is willing to pay.

If someone wants to make an argument about the Austrian v Japanese brands?
E-Start? Thanks Austria!
Juice Clutch? Thanks Austria!
Brembo? Thanks Austria & still only on Austrian MXers.
Now that the Japanese brands have all "caught up" on the tech? Well, look what's happened to their prices! (You don't EVEN wanna see what people are paying for the R-WE, FE or RE these days...it's INSANE!).

Personally, and I've said this many, many times...

The RM-Z is the single best deal for the average track guy. Most folks are getting a really good deal on them and get them all tricked out for LESS than what most folks are paying for any other bike by the time they get it "out the door". I can see that the MC450F is gonna be like that for the Austrian brands...spend $1,000 on accessories and your still at what the Husky was without all the extras.

Lately, I've watched friends spend $11K out the door for the new Honda. $13K out the door for a new R-Star. They got what they wanted; so, more power to them.

Having owned, ridden or raced them all? The Austrian bikes do have excellent parts right out of the box: Twin Air, Regina, Pankl...etc., etc., etc. ...all the while I did go buy a new Honda for "Off-Road"/Baja...just to keep it fair! By the time I'm done it'll be a $12K 'X'! And it's what I "WANTED".
Grinning
Recently. I took a '21 RX and turned it onto a "Wannabe R-WE" for a friend for about $12K complete and he's got 2 rear wheels...2 gas tanks...Ti pegs...Full Yosh Ti-Carbon pipe...etc. and he's happy as he can be. So, "to each, his own" as they say. Btw, '21 R's were SUCH A PAIN in the Arse to get & too damn much money...we got a deal on the RX and tricked it out.
I met a rider at Pala that had paid almost $12K OTD for his new R...he wasn't unhappy in the slightest. he loves his new scoot. Again, more power to him!
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12/13/2020 10:00am Edited Date/Time 12/13/2020 10:05am
Back to the Chev/GMC/Cadillac comparison:

GasGas
- Same price as the Japanese bikes
What's different vs. KTM
-wheels (excel but unbranded)
-tires (Maxxis vs. Dunlop)
-subframe (aluminum)
-triple clamps (Forged vs. machined)
- exhaust (no resonance chamber)
swingarm (same as husky)
-no TC (but easy to add) no hour meter

Target Market = Japanese bike buyer who is somewhat price sensitive.aimed at average rider (95% of buyers), Someone who uses their bike for play riding and MX, someone who doesn't want to pay for things that won't make a difference to them (ie; forged vs. machined clamps). Someone who plans on changing exhaust/wheels/and all the other usual bolts ons anyways so why pay for things you're just going to change)

Why is it good? Adds a bike brand to improve their dealer network. lets say you're a Suzuki dealer and haven't been able to sell an RMZ for the past 3 years, there is already a KTM and Husky dealer nearby - add in a GasGas dealership and you have a competitive machine and a trials lineup.

KTM
Target market = premium buyer, not price sensitive, wants the best available from the manufacturer, doesn't necessarily want to dump $2K into the bike to make it race ready. Push to uber premium customer with factory edition

Husky
Target market= Uber premium, wants the best and wants everyone to visibly see it. easier to ride for shorter riders (10mm lower than KTM), softer suspension settings for lighter or older riders, a bit of exotica with the composite subframe, differentiated from KTM with Magura vs. Brembo components.
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starjammir wrote:
No hour meter, silver wheels, maxxis tires. Its still a hell of a deal for a bike.
cloud41 wrote:
Trying to figure out how $9,400 MSRP is a ‘hell of a deal’
TeamGreen wrote:
2021 450 MXer Prices... Husqvarna FC450:$10,299 KTM 450SX-F: $10,199 Honda CRF450R: $9,599 Kawasaki KX450: $9,399 Yamaha YZ450F: $9,399 Suzuki RM-Z450: $8,999 At $9,399 you're getting an...
2021 450 MXer Prices...
Husqvarna FC450:$10,299
KTM 450SX-F: $10,199
Honda CRF450R: $9,599
Kawasaki KX450: $9,399
Yamaha YZ450F: $9,399
Suzuki RM-Z450: $8,999

At $9,399 you're getting an Austrian bike for Japanese prices.

If you really think ya need it, you can add the "Combination Switch" (TC and ECU-Curves) and an hour-meter for around $200.

It really comes down to what someone wants and is willing to pay.

If someone wants to make an argument about the Austrian v Japanese brands?
E-Start? Thanks Austria!
Juice Clutch? Thanks Austria!
Brembo? Thanks Austria & still only on Austrian MXers.
Now that the Japanese brands have all "caught up" on the tech? Well, look what's happened to their prices! (You don't EVEN wanna see what people are paying for the R-WE, FE or RE these days...it's INSANE!).

Personally, and I've said this many, many times...

The RM-Z is the single best deal for the average track guy. Most folks are getting a really good deal on them and get them all tricked out for LESS than what most folks are paying for any other bike by the time they get it "out the door". I can see that the MC450F is gonna be like that for the Austrian brands...spend $1,000 on accessories and your still at what the Husky was without all the extras.

Lately, I've watched friends spend $11K out the door for the new Honda. $13K out the door for a new R-Star. They got what they wanted; so, more power to them.

Having owned, ridden or raced them all? The Austrian bikes do have excellent parts right out of the box: Twin Air, Regina, Pankl...etc., etc., etc. ...all the while I did go buy a new Honda for "Off-Road"/Baja...just to keep it fair! By the time I'm done it'll be a $12K 'X'! And it's what I "WANTED".
Grinning
Recently. I took a '21 RX and turned it onto a "Wannabe R-WE" for a friend for about $12K complete and he's got 2 rear wheels...2 gas tanks...Ti pegs...Full Yosh Ti-Carbon pipe...etc. and he's happy as he can be. So, "to each, his own" as they say. Btw, '21 R's were SUCH A PAIN in the Arse to get & too damn much money...we got a deal on the RX and tricked it out.
I met a rider at Pala that had paid almost $12K OTD for his new R...he wasn't unhappy in the slightest. he loves his new scoot. Again, more power to him!
One of the things I love about the Austrian bikes that often gets overlooked is the actual clutch . Belville washer instead of a bunch of crappy springs and a one piece steel machined basket. Way way way stronger and better built than the jap systems
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My gasgas clutch is leaps and bounds better than my crf clutch.
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Is the seat same as KTM?
Yes uses the same pan as KTM (same part number) just installed a Seat Concepts KTM cover fit perfect.
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The business model doesn't make much sense to me. For the price of the bike only being about $1,000 less why would a buyer not buy a KTM or Husky (especially for people who finance)? Also that clamp and bar mount set up look like they're off an 85. How do we know that other internal engine or suspension or even the steel of the frame is the same as the other Austrian bikes? If they're really making a bike off of price point you have to save everywhere you can which is exactly the opposite of what KTM has done. The price point bike to buy is a Suzuki. What makes more sense, a Suzuki for $6,000 or a GasGas for $9k+? The only way this makes sense is that they plan to market these bikes in foreign markets otherwise I don't get the point of them selling performance minded race bikes in this way.
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MOTO120 wrote:
Can some of you guys help me with this. If I'm looking for parts (new or used) and they aren't "listed" for GasGas yet...what will fit...
Can some of you guys help me with this. If I'm looking for parts (new or used) and they aren't "listed" for GasGas yet...what will fit the new GG450?

Triple Clamps
Complete Exhaust
Engine Parts (Clutch, Clutch Cover, Pump Cover, etc. etc.)
Wheels

Thanks!

All these pets cross over between all three brands. Obviously colours on some billet parts will be different between Hard Part catalog.

We just ordered some Haan wheels in the red Hub, black spokes and black rims. Plus a bunch of other stuff to get started in our Barcia Replica.

Hard Part clamps are available in black but not red like TLD bikes yet even though shown online. Hopefully soon. Can get the clamps from WP Authorize Centre as well.

https://bfdmoto.com/products/wp-suspension-triple-clamps

12/13/2020 2:18pm
After looking at the mxa 250f gas gas test, it sounds like the Gas Gas might be a softer, mellower option for vet and novices than the husky or ktm.
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12/13/2020 6:26pm
Seems like a lot of people are dogging Maxxis as a lower quality tire. Crazy to me, they’re my hidden gem. They ride just as good as a Dunlop or Pirelli and last three times as long.
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Looks like the tanks are identical other than the cap so I suspect you could swap tanks and shrouds no worries...
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Looks like the tanks are identical other than the cap so I suspect you could swap tanks and shrouds no worries...
The tanks aren't identical. I had to order a gasgas tank to make this conversion. Everything fits though.
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tonyd811 wrote:
Thought this was cool driving down the road the other day... Two GAS GAS bikes (Husky employee) Orange rear fenders, red middle/shrouds, white front ends. A...
Thought this was cool driving down the road the other day...

Two GAS GAS bikes (Husky employee)

Orange rear fenders, red middle/shrouds, white front ends. A blend of all three...
I just see someone that knows how to load/haul dirt bikes in the back of a truck finally. Can't tell you all how many times I've tried to show riders how to do this and get the tailgate shut on a full-sized, short bed pickup.
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Looks like the tanks are identical other than the cap so I suspect you could swap tanks and shrouds no worries...
The tanks aren't identical. I had to order a gasgas tank to make this conversion. Everything fits though. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/09/14/509994/s1200_gasgasktm.jpg[/img]
The tanks aren't identical. I had to order a gasgas tank to make this conversion. Everything fits though.
do the ktm shrouds/tank fit on the gas gas tank and vice versa?
9/14/2021 6:45pm
Looks like the tanks are identical other than the cap so I suspect you could swap tanks and shrouds no worries...
The tanks aren't identical. I had to order a gasgas tank to make this conversion. Everything fits though. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/09/14/509994/s1200_gasgasktm.jpg[/img]
The tanks aren't identical. I had to order a gasgas tank to make this conversion. Everything fits though.
Where did you get the gas gas tank? I seem to find any for sale?
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do the ktm shrouds/tank fit on the gas gas tank and vice versa?
No, the shape and holes are different.
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Does anyone know if the radiator hoses are same across the board? I want to order blue hoses for my MC350 that is on the way
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Ryan625 wrote:
Does anyone know if the radiator hoses are same across the board? I want to order blue hoses for my MC350 that is on the way
all the same
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Are the braketec brake pads compatible with the brembo pads off the ktm/husky?
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I did a conversion from KTM to GasGas

Items I changed -

- Gas Tank
- Airbox (airbox is same, but I went from Orange to White/Black like OEM GasGas)
- Swing arm is different, but I stayed with KTM swing arm… I am in the understanding that the KTM one is stiffer.. could be wrong but I have a GasGas and I can’t feel the different from each bike.
- Plastic of course
- I Powdercoated the frame Red, I got the GasGas Color code and did the valve cover on engine and frame.

Everything else was the same!
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I did a conversion from KTM to GasGas Items I changed - - Gas Tank - Airbox (airbox is same, but I went from Orange to...
I did a conversion from KTM to GasGas

Items I changed -

- Gas Tank
- Airbox (airbox is same, but I went from Orange to White/Black like OEM GasGas)
- Swing arm is different, but I stayed with KTM swing arm… I am in the understanding that the KTM one is stiffer.. could be wrong but I have a GasGas and I can’t feel the different from each bike.
- Plastic of course
- I Powdercoated the frame Red, I got the GasGas Color code and did the valve cover on engine and frame.

Everything else was the same!
Where did you get the gas tank?
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Looks like the tanks are identical other than the cap so I suspect you could swap tanks and shrouds no worries...
The tanks aren't identical. I had to order a gasgas tank to make this conversion. Everything fits though. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/09/14/509994/s1200_gasgasktm.jpg[/img]
The tanks aren't identical. I had to order a gasgas tank to make this conversion. Everything fits though.
showtimemx wrote:
Where did you get the gas gas tank? I seem to find any for sale?
At my local gasgas dealer. Part # A54007013100
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I did a conversion from KTM to GasGas Items I changed - - Gas Tank - Airbox (airbox is same, but I went from Orange to...
I did a conversion from KTM to GasGas

Items I changed -

- Gas Tank
- Airbox (airbox is same, but I went from Orange to White/Black like OEM GasGas)
- Swing arm is different, but I stayed with KTM swing arm… I am in the understanding that the KTM one is stiffer.. could be wrong but I have a GasGas and I can’t feel the different from each bike.
- Plastic of course
- I Powdercoated the frame Red, I got the GasGas Color code and did the valve cover on engine and frame.

Everything else was the same!
Are the KTM 350 wheel and hub set up the same as the gas gas 350 ?
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tracx1 wrote:
Are the KTM 350 wheel and hub set up the same as the gas gas 350 ?
I would imagine so…. I did a 450 conversion but I don’t see why any of it would be different
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