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If it’s that stupid, why do we see Volkswagen take over the car industry, why do we see KTM taking on these other brands?
In the UK we can get the same van with a Vauxhall badge, a Renault badge or a Nissan badge... You guys can buy a Mercedes sprinter with a Dodge badge.
How many cars out there have the same engine/ chassis with a different body and badge slapped on them?
That’s the point I’m making.
It’s cost effective.
Cheaper from an R&D point of view for both parties, cheaper to produce and consequently cheaper for the end consumer.
Yet, the lack of business knowledge is weak. The motocross industry is feeble minded and has no common sense... From a feeble minded dinosaur who can’t see that KTMs method definitely has a lot of pro’s as opposed to cons?
Suzuki have a bike that going by the forum is unanimously hated, why not reach out and slap yellow plastic on a better bike??
Look at the GasGas this year- few cheaper parts here and there, and ultimately KTM then have the entire market covered in terms of price point.
But you’re definitely the business man- “let’s not invest anything into our bikes, not sell any as they’re far behind the other bikes, fail to support professional teams as we don’t have the income and see how that goes..”
“ Have any of the other Japanese manufacturers considered taking on the Suzuki, as per KTM with Husky and now GasGas? (Yellow plastics on a.....)
To me, KTM’s model clearly works and will continue to work. Could another OEM jump on this band wagon? ”
Where in that does it say a Yellow KTM, KTM to buy Suzuki or anything even close?
I’m suggesting that another Japanese OEM take a good look at what KTM are doing - 1 base platform, x amount of logos/ colours.
Let’s say if Honda were to make a deal with their bikes. Slap some different designed yellow plastic, cheaper components on it and market it at a cheaper price point, you’d see a ton of them.
Suzuki is the rescue dog of motocross.
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You only race the guys on the track. Mir was scored the most points and wrapped it up one race early. What is there to say except congratulations Suzuki for 2 bikes in the top three in points.
Oh yeah Vinales average qualifying was about 2nd. That man is fast on Saturday, his average race finish was about 6th. Should Vinales have been crowned Champion because he is a great qualifier?
Suzuki and Yoshimura are planning on entering the endurance world championship next year (you need to compete in EWC for Suzuka 8hrs)... on Monday when explaining their plans to obtain a budget, the Suzuki CEO blurted out why don't we just quit MotoGP and focus our efforts on EWC... the engineers then had to explain to Toshihiro why that was a bad idea...
Obliviously this shows you how much Suzuki Toshihiro doesn't understand about racing and the benefits of exposure from racing and winning in a popular series... if he did they wouldn't have gotten rid of the dedicated Motocross section in Japan (went bye bye in 2017) and would have developed a bike the engineers wanted to do... and would continue to support racing in Europe and the US... which would have the potential to boost sales in these markets....
(But hey i am just some pleb... what do I know )
the Austrian business model wouldn't work here anyway... the companies are so much bigger than KTM and motocross is not a big money maker... best bet is joint development.. but i don't see any of that happening given the current situation
This year they won the MotoGp
Suzuki is quite ecletic, when they do things they want to be at the top.
They are regrouping to come out in 2 years from now at the top of Motocross again.
Everybody is disrespecting the Suzuki, but all the people I know that rode a Suzuki even for a few laps are enthusiasts.
Nobody complained about the Suzuki ever! But it is too much to admit that a brand that didn't put too much effort on developing is up too par as the others brands (talking about amateur or local racers)
Now the brand is focused to bring up other sport targets, they will be back in motocross very soon...and at the top
Do not forget that it is still the most winning Japanese brand in motocross
Why not capitalise on this? Reach out to Honda/ Kawi/ Yamaha and come to an agreement where Suzuki obtain bikes from them, slap Suzuki plastics on, a few cheaper components/ different ones like the BFRC shock etc, run them on the existing Suzuki production lines, alongside the other OEM they partner with.
To Suzuki - no R&D $$$ spent, increase in production and likely an increase in $$$ from the bikes, even if they're only getting a small amount from the other OEM.
The other OEM can make more bikes/ gets more money with the Suzuki sales and Suzuki get more bikes on the track, which surely should be the end goal?
Whilst not the same as what KTM have done, the 'model' I was speaking of was the idea to go with 1 base platform, a different logo, some changes in spec to suite different price points and rival the KTM group.
The Japanese have paired up in the past, surely it could happen again?
Also there's basically infinite market share in car sales compared to dirt bikes. If Suzuki or any one else starts to make all these new bikes who is going to buy them? Everyone who wants a bike has one, the market is only so big and by that I mean really small. KTM made that gamble and won but it easily could have not. If the 2016 gen KTM wasn't as earth shattering as it was KTM's story would look completely different. When that bike came out, there was really nothing like it and just because of that bike and Ryan Dungey dominating the pro scene for 3 years in SX we now have this juggernaut that is KTM. Everything had to fall into place for them to pull this off. I'm not taking anything away from KTM but to act like the Japanese can just do what they did isn't possible because the opportunity has already come and gone.
I mention the MotoGP title in my initial post and it's likely that this is where Suzuki's motorcycle budget is going.
Anyway;
Again I raise the point - would you rather go out and buy a 'Suzuki' branded YZF 250 or the current RMZ 250?
Again I raise the point - Kawasaki and Suzuki have paired up in the past, is this something that could be done again? Same bike, different colour, different logo... Which isn't that what KTM are doing? - Hence the thread title, which you don't seem to be able to grasp.
'Suzuki can just make another bike if they wanted to' - as I'm sure you know, it's nowhere near as simple as that Mr Shark Tank and the continued lack of development on Suzuki's part, suggests that this is something they aren't willing to do, which ultimately sums up the thread - why not slap their logo on someone else's platform, so as not to do this, but still get a killer bike that people actually want?
As for the buying of these bikes - if they went after the lower end of the market, minimised profit they made per bike, chucked on cheaper parts to minimise the production cost and made the bike affordable, as per KTM's approach with GasGas, then I'm sure the average guy would eat them up. - 2021 KX 250, or the Suzuki 250, which is the same platform just comes with some cheaper parts at lower price point- what is the average weekend warrior going to choose?
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