Should have got a 350 years ago...

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11/16/2020 12:02am Edited Date/Time 11/16/2020 12:13am
It does sound like you were shifting too early, very easy to do especially the first time ever you ride a 350. I did the same for hours after coming from a 2020 YZ250F that has a rev limiter that comes quick and works like a brick wall. It might sound or even feel like the rev limiter is approaching and i need to pull up a gear on the 350 but there is so much more left in the bike.

But i can understand the bike not suiting everybody. It doesn't have the torque and hit that some people like in bikes like the YZ450F or CRF450.
11/16/2020 12:53am
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I've got a 21 GAS GAS EX350F on order, should be here in a few weeks. Once it's broken In I'll put a 366 kit in...
I've got a 21 GAS GAS EX350F on order, should be here in a few weeks.

Once it's broken In I'll put a 366 kit in it, KYB suspension front and rear and a vortex Ign. Coming off a 450 the 350 doesn't have enough low end for me. The 366 kit works surprisingly well , the engine feels like a 350 only a lot more bottom-Mid.

Can't wait!
That 366 kit sounds interesting! Has anyone run it on a dyno with no other mods?

I see mx action built one but it have vertex ignition, race fuel, exhaust & all sorts. It would have been nice if they just tested the kit before adding all the extras.
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11/16/2020 5:24am Edited Date/Time 11/16/2020 5:25am
yz763 wrote:
Yeah man, I challenge where you were actually riding this bike in the power. My 350 rips! I have been on 450's and 250 two strokes...
Yeah man, I challenge where you were actually riding this bike in the power. My 350 rips! I have been on 450's and 250 two strokes the past 10 years and this bike is definitely not a trail bike. It doesn't have the flat out balls (torque) a 450 has but it is a lively motor and the opposite of flat. Its got tons of character. Sure it is smooth but it is no where near flat. Weight wise, lifting it on and off the stand feels more 450-ish than 250 but as soon as it is rolling, it feels more 250-ish. Handling is 100% like a 250. I don't feel like I need to plot my line the straight away before. The bike changes direction really well which is not exactly the best trait of a 450. Either you're riding really fast and nimble trail bikes or you were cruising this thing around 8,000 RPM's.
Well said. For me the bike is for sure smooth down low but once it starts to get into the revs, it actually has a "2stroke like" rush to the power. Things start to happen in a hurry. I think the 350 motors are very lively, you just have to adjust your riding style and maybe some gearing or slight mods to get into the power easier for each rider.
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11/16/2020 6:31am
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I've got a 21 GAS GAS EX350F on order, should be here in a few weeks. Once it's broken In I'll put a 366 kit in...
I've got a 21 GAS GAS EX350F on order, should be here in a few weeks.

Once it's broken In I'll put a 366 kit in it, KYB suspension front and rear and a vortex Ign. Coming off a 450 the 350 doesn't have enough low end for me. The 366 kit works surprisingly well , the engine feels like a 350 only a lot more bottom-Mid.

Can't wait!
Who sells 366 kit and can you provide any data how different power/torque will be?

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11/16/2020 6:50am
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Who sells 366 kit and can you provide any data how different power/torque will be?
Cylinder Works makes the 366 kit.
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Yeah man, I challenge where you were actually riding this bike in the power. My 350 rips! I have been on 450's and 250 two strokes...
Yeah man, I challenge where you were actually riding this bike in the power. My 350 rips! I have been on 450's and 250 two strokes the past 10 years and this bike is definitely not a trail bike. It doesn't have the flat out balls (torque) a 450 has but it is a lively motor and the opposite of flat. Its got tons of character. Sure it is smooth but it is no where near flat. Weight wise, lifting it on and off the stand feels more 450-ish than 250 but as soon as it is rolling, it feels more 250-ish. Handling is 100% like a 250. I don't feel like I need to plot my line the straight away before. The bike changes direction really well which is not exactly the best trait of a 450. Either you're riding really fast and nimble trail bikes or you were cruising this thing around 8,000 RPM's.
Really, challenge? What is there some magic powerband that I couldn't find? Again, some magic handling that I couldn't find either. The handling did not feel like a 250F to me period. I guess maybe it would have if I would have found the magic powerband. You must be one of those guys that can keep it smoking at 12K all the way around the track. The power delivery did not inspire me. How can you claim otherwise?

The only magic going on here is in your head.
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11/16/2020 7:06am
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Really, challenge? What is there some magic powerband that I couldn't find? Again, some magic handling that I couldn't find either. The handling did not feel...
Really, challenge? What is there some magic powerband that I couldn't find? Again, some magic handling that I couldn't find either. The handling did not feel like a 250F to me period. I guess maybe it would have if I would have found the magic powerband. You must be one of those guys that can keep it smoking at 12K all the way around the track. The power delivery did not inspire me. How can you claim otherwise?

The only magic going on here is in your head.
No magic but there is a technique to riding this bike. If your technique of riding this bike matches your avatar, stick to riding your air cooled trail bikes.
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11/16/2020 7:18am Edited Date/Time 11/16/2020 7:38am
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No magic but there is a technique to riding this bike. If your technique of riding this bike matches your avatar, stick to riding your air...
No magic but there is a technique to riding this bike. If your technique of riding this bike matches your avatar, stick to riding your air cooled trail bikes.
Ah, yes we are back to attacking my riding again. When logic fails it's the old standby.

Trust me, My riding still gets me trophies damn near every race. Can you say the same?

Instead of worrying about my riding on the internet. Maybe you should do something to improve your own technique.

"Sorry to bump an old thread but looking for a little assistance.
I broke my collarbone 10 years ago and had a plate and 6 screws put in. No issues at all. A few weeks ago I re-broke the same collarbone and now I’m worried about the hardware being mangled in there. The hospital wasn’t much help. This time around, the pain of the bone isn’t bad but it was shifting around. I feel like it gets better and better everyday so I’m thinking of just letting it heal. For those of you that have re-broke your clavicle with hardware already on it, what did the docs do?"
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11/16/2020 7:38am
yz763 wrote:
Yeah man, I challenge where you were actually riding this bike in the power. My 350 rips! I have been on 450's and 250 two strokes...
Yeah man, I challenge where you were actually riding this bike in the power. My 350 rips! I have been on 450's and 250 two strokes the past 10 years and this bike is definitely not a trail bike. It doesn't have the flat out balls (torque) a 450 has but it is a lively motor and the opposite of flat. Its got tons of character. Sure it is smooth but it is no where near flat. Weight wise, lifting it on and off the stand feels more 450-ish than 250 but as soon as it is rolling, it feels more 250-ish. Handling is 100% like a 250. I don't feel like I need to plot my line the straight away before. The bike changes direction really well which is not exactly the best trait of a 450. Either you're riding really fast and nimble trail bikes or you were cruising this thing around 8,000 RPM's.
LKHill wrote:
Really, challenge? What is there some magic powerband that I couldn't find? Again, some magic handling that I couldn't find either. The handling did not feel...
Really, challenge? What is there some magic powerband that I couldn't find? Again, some magic handling that I couldn't find either. The handling did not feel like a 250F to me period. I guess maybe it would have if I would have found the magic powerband. You must be one of those guys that can keep it smoking at 12K all the way around the track. The power delivery did not inspire me. How can you claim otherwise?

The only magic going on here is in your head.
I am not attacking you or your riding by saying this. I don't understand why things always turn personal with a discussion about a motorcycle. Your assessment goes against what virtually everyone who rides a 350 has said. Nothing personal to me if you don't like the 350, and I can understand how some people feel it is flat if they don't rev it out. The bike is making peak power at redline and never goes flat or falls on its face. That's not an opinion of any sort, it's just a fact.

Your responses just don't jive with what pretty much everyone else in media or on this thread has said about the 350 power. There are plenty of people who don't want to rev it that much and it makes sense they would want a 450 or whatever. I'm just providing my .02.
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Ah, yes we are back to attacking my riding again. When logic fails it's the old standby. Trust me, My riding still gets me trophies damn...
Ah, yes we are back to attacking my riding again. When logic fails it's the old standby.

Trust me, My riding still gets me trophies damn near every race. Can you say the same?

Instead of worrying about my riding on the internet. Maybe you should do something to improve your own technique.

"Sorry to bump an old thread but looking for a little assistance.
I broke my collarbone 10 years ago and had a plate and 6 screws put in. No issues at all. A few weeks ago I re-broke the same collarbone and now I’m worried about the hardware being mangled in there. The hospital wasn’t much help. This time around, the pain of the bone isn’t bad but it was shifting around. I feel like it gets better and better everyday so I’m thinking of just letting it heal. For those of you that have re-broke your clavicle with hardware already on it, what did the docs do?"
So do you have any insight on my question? Should I be worried about the plate? It has been several weeks since that post and I think you'll be happy to know that everything is healing fine and the plate is of no concern.

I agree with you, though. My technique got me in trouble on that one. I guess that flat, slow, trail bike of a 350 is too much bike for me.
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11/16/2020 8:04am Edited Date/Time 11/16/2020 8:10am
yz763 wrote:
So do you have any insight on my question? Should I be worried about the plate? It has been several weeks since that post and I...
So do you have any insight on my question? Should I be worried about the plate? It has been several weeks since that post and I think you'll be happy to know that everything is healing fine and the plate is of no concern.

I agree with you, though. My technique got me in trouble on that one. I guess that flat, slow, trail bike of a 350 is too much bike for me.
Actually I do. I have been lucky enough never to have broken one but have seen it happen many times.

Unless it is seriously displaced the best policy is always let it heal naturally. No big deal if your hardware is bent if it does not give you issue like Jason Anderson, then you have it removed down the road.
GL healing up.

Never called it a trail bike BTW. Anybody who as ever ridden a 400-500cc 2 stroke enduro bike knows they make enough power for motorcross. If folks find what they are looking for in the powerband on mx/sx Cudo's for them.
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11/16/2020 8:19am Edited Date/Time 11/16/2020 8:27am
AZRider wrote:
I am not attacking you or your riding by saying this. I don't understand why things always turn personal with a discussion about a motorcycle. Your...
I am not attacking you or your riding by saying this. I don't understand why things always turn personal with a discussion about a motorcycle. Your assessment goes against what virtually everyone who rides a 350 has said. Nothing personal to me if you don't like the 350, and I can understand how some people feel it is flat if they don't rev it out. The bike is making peak power at redline and never goes flat or falls on its face. That's not an opinion of any sort, it's just a fact.

Your responses just don't jive with what pretty much everyone else in media or on this thread has said about the 350 power. There are plenty of people who don't want to rev it that much and it makes sense they would want a 450 or whatever. I'm just providing my .02.
I understand what your are saying. I guess what you don't understand is the part where I did rev it out and did not get the sensation you describe. Powerbands are subjective things as I started out by saying. There is plenty of others that experienced the same sensation as myself but I would say we are in the minority. To claim it's fact that it does not happen is disenfranchising. It's a power delivery thing for me, not the amount or anything to do with CC's.
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11/16/2020 8:26am Edited Date/Time 11/16/2020 3:46pm
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Really, challenge? What is there some magic powerband that I couldn't find? Again, some magic handling that I couldn't find either. The handling did not feel...
Really, challenge? What is there some magic powerband that I couldn't find? Again, some magic handling that I couldn't find either. The handling did not feel like a 250F to me period. I guess maybe it would have if I would have found the magic powerband. You must be one of those guys that can keep it smoking at 12K all the way around the track. The power delivery did not inspire me. How can you claim otherwise?

The only magic going on here is in your head.
I have 2 18 FC350s. Like someone else said, it is very hard to get them over 12000 RPM on many mx tracks. Even up horsepower hill at Washougal this is hard to reach for me in 3rd gear, at least at my skill level. And really, 12-14.5k is where it gets interesting. They make their HP peak at 13,400 rpm most dyno pulls show. I have hit this on a few gravel roads out in the woods, but it takes some room and some balls.

I'd bet 90% of us here aren't even capable of riding these above 12k on a track on a normal basis. Yeah, maybe the start straight in 2nd gear, but 3rd gear and up you'd have to be expert class to run it there often. They are amazing up there but I'm not good enough to stay there.

Below that it's a great all-round bike with a smooth torque curve, lacking the hit of the 450 class monsters. I'm too old for that much power anymore which is why I ride the 350.

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I have 2 18 FC350s. Like someone else said, it is very hard to get them over 12000 RPM on many mx tracks. Even up horsepower...
I have 2 18 FC350s. Like someone else said, it is very hard to get them over 12000 RPM on many mx tracks. Even up horsepower hill at Washougal this is hard to reach for me in 3rd gear, at least at my skill level. And really, 12-14.5k is where it gets interesting. They make their HP peak at 13,400 rpm most dyno pulls show. I have hit this on a few gravel roads out in the woods, but it takes some room and some balls.

I'd bet 90% of us here aren't even capable of riding these above 12k on a track on a normal basis. Yeah, maybe the start straight in 2nd gear, but 3rd gear and up you'd have to be expert class to run it there often. They are amazing up there but I'm not good enough to stay there.

Below that it's a great all-round bike with a smooth torque curve, lacking the hit of the 450 class monsters. I'm too old for that much power anymore which is why I ride the 350.

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I agree with this point about being difficult to use that last 2500 RPM window. I had a 17 350 and in hindsight I was always riding it in the boring part of the powerband. That's probably what led me to selling it. The power is so linear and smooth, it's mostly boring to ride for the average moto guy if you're mostly in the mid-range. It's geared pretty tall and I didn't find it natural to ride in that 12,000+ rpm window. Now last week I had a chance to ride a 21 KX250 and I was able to ride the piss out of that thing. Probably the most fun I've had on a four stroke in a while. That's another bike that revs to 14,500 but maybe because of the way it's geared it felt more natural to use that last 2000 RPM.
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I agree with this point about being difficult to use that last 2500 RPM window. I had a 17 350 and in hindsight I was always...
I agree with this point about being difficult to use that last 2500 RPM window. I had a 17 350 and in hindsight I was always riding it in the boring part of the powerband. That's probably what led me to selling it. The power is so linear and smooth, it's mostly boring to ride for the average moto guy if you're mostly in the mid-range. It's geared pretty tall and I didn't find it natural to ride in that 12,000+ rpm window. Now last week I had a chance to ride a 21 KX250 and I was able to ride the piss out of that thing. Probably the most fun I've had on a four stroke in a while. That's another bike that revs to 14,500 but maybe because of the way it's geared it felt more natural to use that last 2000 RPM.
The 18 FC350 stock was geared with a 14x50. One of mine is geared now at 14x51, and the other at 14x52 to allow me to keep it in 3rd more. Honestly though, I can't really use 13,000 in 2nd or 3rd! Either one causes freaking massive acceleration on a moto track. Ran out of talent 2x this year already and still paying the price. Smile

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I don't ride Moto, but I do ride out in the desert. The revving is addictive! 2nd/3rd gear pulls in between cedar trees on some of the trails are insane. I love being in 2nd gear and revving the piss out of the thing and it just keeps pulling, also in sand washes..........holy crap this thing is like cheating on steroids! My buddies on their Beta 300's just look for the dust clouds to figure out where I went. The Rekluse makes backing it down for the next corner just a matter of grabbing the brakes and gassing it again and again and again.
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I agree with this point about being difficult to use that last 2500 RPM window. I had a 17 350 and in hindsight I was always...
I agree with this point about being difficult to use that last 2500 RPM window. I had a 17 350 and in hindsight I was always riding it in the boring part of the powerband. That's probably what led me to selling it. The power is so linear and smooth, it's mostly boring to ride for the average moto guy if you're mostly in the mid-range. It's geared pretty tall and I didn't find it natural to ride in that 12,000+ rpm window. Now last week I had a chance to ride a 21 KX250 and I was able to ride the piss out of that thing. Probably the most fun I've had on a four stroke in a while. That's another bike that revs to 14,500 but maybe because of the way it's geared it felt more natural to use that last 2000 RPM.



You took the words right out of my mouth. Whole lot of fun.
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LKHill wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/11/16/459759/s1200_125891040_3602455179841269_1621371126550012100_n.jpg[/img] You took the words right out of my mouth. Whole lot of fun.



You took the words right out of my mouth. Whole lot of fun.
Heck yeah, I don't know if I'm more jealous of the bike or the dirt! I think I'm going to pick one up. I rode it back to back with the 21 YZ250F and the KX just smokes it up top. The YZ is a great bike but the top end of the KX is just so useable and it really doesn't give up much, if any, to the YZ everywhere else. Anyways, I'm getting off topic. Enjoy that Kawi!
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I made some posts about the Vortex adding the snap/excitement/hit/whatever to my FC350. I run out of talent long before the engine runs out of RPM.

The Vortex livens things up In the mortal-man part of the RPM range. A remap probably helps quite a bit for less money.
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I had to rejoin this forum to put in my 2 cents. I have a stock 19 350xcf with race tech revalve. Unless your riding desert you need to lower gearing. I run 14/52. Many around here go even lower. I rarely use 4th gear on a track. I race moto and haresrambles. With stock gearing I could ride ride the calgary National track in 2nd . It revs to the moon. Like one of the posts above I never come close to reaching peak power in 3rd on any track I ride. Not even close. Im 52 and never need more power. I rode an fc 350 recently with a pipe and vortex . Holy sh,%%%% it was fast. Much more bottom and mid then mine. 450ish power.
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11/16/2020 6:47pm Edited Date/Time 11/16/2020 6:49pm
I wasn't going to jump in but here goes.
I rode a sand track yesterday and now have 8 hrs. on my '19 350SXF.
I have posted in this thread regarding my upgrades. All very cost effective.
I still have not added an exhaust system and don't know if I will.
The biggest improvement has been the ecu remap. (Twisted Dev.)
I have not lived with a 450 before so I can't say I have a valid reference point.
I get the style of power is different. I was worried myself coming from a built 250F.
At 58, I think I have found the right balance of power for what I do. I guess it's not a dragster but I can go do 4 15-minute moto's at pace and this makes me happy. I can lift the front over rollers and chop at will. I am fine with comments regarding not enough punch. They are honest coming from an accomplished rider. I can scare myself on my RM250 if I feel like it. I have read that this is KTM's #1 selling bike category so I guess there's that. Viva La Diff'erence!
Side note: I went to a 14/51 and really liked it. That and an Evo bar.
Big improvement!
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11/17/2020 5:11am Edited Date/Time 11/17/2020 10:45am
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Really, challenge? What is there some magic powerband that I couldn't find? Again, some magic handling that I couldn't find either. The handling did not feel...
Really, challenge? What is there some magic powerband that I couldn't find? Again, some magic handling that I couldn't find either. The handling did not feel like a 250F to me period. I guess maybe it would have if I would have found the magic powerband. You must be one of those guys that can keep it smoking at 12K all the way around the track. The power delivery did not inspire me. How can you claim otherwise?

The only magic going on here is in your head.
Like mentioned by a few guys in the thread, the 350 1) isn't for everyone and 2) does require an adjustment to make it so you can feel comfortable on it. Also, I think a lot of it depends on what bike you are coming from, when you move to a 350. Either way, a lot of the guys who really like them or do well on them have either gelled right away with the riding style required. If not, at least close and then were able to tweak the bike a bit to get it where they want it. I would be in that 2nd group. But there are still plenty of people who just can't make it work, which I totally get. But, when you get it all down, it's actually a very lively and very fast bike. And FWIW, the suspension has a lot to do with the handling. On good days, I thought it handled better than my YZ250F. On bad days, I thought it sucked. But now that I got the suspension dialed, it just feels great all of the time. So there is just a lot of variables.
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11/17/2020 10:41am
4 weeks till mine arrives, covid fucked production rates abit i guess.. in addition to the hgs system and the 2stroke twinair filterkit i ordered a carbon air intake. Together with the 14/51 gearing i think it’ll get me around just fine in the sand 😄
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I had to rejoin this forum to put in my 2 cents. I have a stock 19 350xcf with race tech revalve. Unless your riding desert...
I had to rejoin this forum to put in my 2 cents. I have a stock 19 350xcf with race tech revalve. Unless your riding desert you need to lower gearing. I run 14/52. Many around here go even lower. I rarely use 4th gear on a track. I race moto and haresrambles. With stock gearing I could ride ride the calgary National track in 2nd . It revs to the moon. Like one of the posts above I never come close to reaching peak power in 3rd on any track I ride. Not even close. Im 52 and never need more power. I rode an fc 350 recently with a pipe and vortex . Holy sh,%%%% it was fast. Much more bottom and mid then mine. 450ish power.
I race A level off road and my bike is completely stock, including gearing. I don’t see a need to swap sprockets. I won the open A class last race and second place was also on a 350. The pro class was won by a 350 as well.
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I race A level off road and my bike is completely stock, including gearing. I don’t see a need to swap sprockets. I won the open...
I race A level off road and my bike is completely stock, including gearing. I don’t see a need to swap sprockets. I won the open A class last race and second place was also on a 350. The pro class was won by a 350 as well.
I tried a 52 Rear, did not work for me on my local tracks, the stock 14/51 works best for me...
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I know I’ve said it many times before on here, but I absolutely love my 350. To me, it’s the perfect size for racing motocross. I’ve found myself many times short shifting it and lugging it, and it does that just fine. I picked up another 150SX somewhat recently, and it immediately made me faster on the 350. Going from the 150 to the 350, I started shifting more and using 2nd more. For me, riding it like a two stroke makes the bike a lethal weapon because I’m using the power high up in the RPMs. I feel that’s how it should be ridden to utilize the power it makes. Like others have said, I run out of talent before it runs out of RPM.

Also, I love my 350!
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I love my '19 and '21 350. I came off of a 150sx and I find the 350 motor is snappy and has a 2-stroke feel to the hit when you rev it. I actually find the motor to be the most 2-stroke like out of all the fourstrokes I've ridden. I'm 200lbs and I wouldn't want more motor. For some reason it was very easy to switch between my 150 and 350. I never feel that the 350 motor is bland or too metered (linear). It has the right amount of snap when you get above 10k.
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What do you guys do with the suspension? Cone valve/KYB/Spring all around? Can't get comfortable at all when the tracks get choppy, front feels really disconnected from the ground compared to my old Yamahas also.
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Lynch wrote:
What do you guys do with the suspension? Cone valve/KYB/Spring all around? Can't get comfortable at all when the tracks get choppy, front feels really disconnected...
What do you guys do with the suspension? Cone valve/KYB/Spring all around? Can't get comfortable at all when the tracks get choppy, front feels really disconnected from the ground compared to my old Yamahas also.
MX Tech lucky system in your flavor. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-bIssZKixw

I went with the Gen 1, not the carbon. I wanted the ease of maintenance of the open cartridge style rather than the Dual. The fork is very very good now. Gets rid of all the issues you describe, plus I never touch a pump. I also had them do the shock to match with their piston kit and bigger can. Under 2K all in.

Hammer 663s
grunkster
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442
Joined
12/2/2014
Location
Rochester, MN, USA
11/19/2020 4:11pm
I went with the carbon. Matt at Checkpoint Offroad has these things DIALED. 2020 350xcf. Transformed the bike.

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