Is this how Roger really sees things?

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Johnny Ringo 10/21/2020 6:31pm
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Vital after reading the pulp article:

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UpTiTe 10/21/2020 6:38pm
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UpTiTe wrote:
Roger gets a lot of credit for things he didn’t do or had very little to do with. I’ll also say, that once he is done...
Roger gets a lot of credit for things he didn’t do or had very little to do with. I’ll also say, that once he is done with you, you’re pretty much trash to him. He’s ruined more than one riders career.
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Are you referring to the credit he got for winning championships as Hondas team manager or when he won as Suzukis teak manager? Or maybe youre...
Are you referring to the credit he got for winning championships as Hondas team manager or when he won as Suzukis teak manager? Or maybe youre referring to the 14 MXDNs in a row he won as manager of team USA? Or do you mean when he started the KTM USA race team from scratch, developed the 450 for KTM and then won their first ever SX race then went on to win multiple championships and counting?

Because surely you arent denying him credit for the multiple world championships he won as a racer.
He was never team manager at Honda and was only responsible for hiring one rider out all those guys. Dave Arnold built that team and hired those riders.

Suzuki? Take away RC and a chance meeting with Dungey and what did he win?

Developing a new bike? Andrew Short was developing that bike when Roger was hired, KTM was going to be a power house with or without him because of Pit. Did he help set that bike up for supercross and the US? Yes, with the help of Ian.

Obviously the guy has achieved tons, but he also gets a lot of credit for things that would’ve happened without him.
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UpTiTe 10/21/2020 6:41pm
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Suicidal_Tendencies wrote:
I'm not a big fan of these sources making inflammatory statements about the people they are willing to call out, yet hide behind anonymity.
You think people can just call out Roger and expect to keep their jobs?
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Johnny Ringo 10/21/2020 6:42pm
10/21/2020 6:42pm Edited Date/Time 10/21/2020 6:45pm
RC deserves way more credit for Suzuki’s success than Roger. The 97-2004 era was nothing to write home about.

I bet Matt Moss and all the unemployed TLD kids wish Roger was a little more forgiving
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UpTiTe 10/21/2020 6:44pm
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
RC deserves way more credit for Suzuki’s success than Roger. The 97-2004 era was nothing to write home about. I bet Matt Moss and all the...
RC deserves way more credit for Suzuki’s success than Roger. The 97-2004 era was nothing to write home about.

I bet Matt Moss and all the unemployed TLD kids wish Roger was a little more forgiving
You can throw Izzy in the pile of kids he threw away.
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Doesn't DeCoster have a history of not being fond of Barcia? There was a post on here some time ago when Webb signed to KTM that RedBull wanted Barcia, and DeCoster fought for Webb.
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FerCzD 10/21/2020 6:50pm
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UpTiTe wrote:
You can throw Izzy in the pile of kids he threw away.
Izzy put himself in the hole he dug. I don't see how Roger is involved in his downfall. Other than that I agree with you in part on your take that some things would have happened regardless he was there or not.
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Chris_Buehler 10/21/2020 6:56pm
10/21/2020 6:56pm
Silas444 wrote:
Barcia is faster than Webb? That's news to me. Barcia is faster than Osborne? That, too, is news to me. Roger's actions/motivations/abilities being questioned despite him...
Barcia is faster than Webb? That's news to me. Barcia is faster than Osborne? That, too, is news to me.

Roger's actions/motivations/abilities being questioned despite him, his teams, and his riders, winning one championship after another? That is most definitely NOT news to me, as it's been going on since he was on a twin-pipe CZ.
Webb sure but plenty of races Barcia will beat Osbourne in sx
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Johnny Ringo 10/21/2020 6:58pm
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UpTiTe wrote:
You can throw Izzy in the pile of kids he threw away.
FerCzD wrote:
Izzy put himself in the hole he dug. I don't see how Roger is involved in his downfall. Other than that I agree with you in...
Izzy put himself in the hole he dug. I don't see how Roger is involved in his downfall. Other than that I agree with you in part on your take that some things would have happened regardless he was there or not.
Yeah I don’t think that’s how it shook out with Izzi. He had a lot of promise, too. Was great in 2008.
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UpTiTe 10/21/2020 7:33pm
10/21/2020 7:33pm
UpTiTe wrote:
You can throw Izzy in the pile of kids he threw away.
FerCzD wrote:
Izzy put himself in the hole he dug. I don't see how Roger is involved in his downfall. Other than that I agree with you in...
Izzy put himself in the hole he dug. I don't see how Roger is involved in his downfall. Other than that I agree with you in part on your take that some things would have happened regardless he was there or not.
When your boss gives you pain killers and you reach out to him when you realize you’re addicted and he won’t answer your call, he has plenty to do with it.
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Chris_Buehler 10/21/2020 7:34pm
10/21/2020 7:34pm
UpTiTe wrote:
You can throw Izzy in the pile of kids he threw away.
FerCzD wrote:
Izzy put himself in the hole he dug. I don't see how Roger is involved in his downfall. Other than that I agree with you in...
Izzy put himself in the hole he dug. I don't see how Roger is involved in his downfall. Other than that I agree with you in part on your take that some things would have happened regardless he was there or not.
UpTiTe wrote:
When your boss gives you pain killers and you reach out to him when you realize you’re addicted and he won’t answer your call, he has...
When your boss gives you pain killers and you reach out to him when you realize you’re addicted and he won’t answer your call, he has plenty to do with it.
Damn
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berm surfer 10/21/2020 7:38pm
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
Hahaha actual industry people say something moderately negative about Roger and vital apparently knows better based on their feelings. Classic.
Bubba you dont know who's in the industry and who's not. Not saying he's right or wrong but that made me LOL hardcore, so thanks. Then took it even a step further with the meme 😆

P.S. hope you got a matching gear set as his, matching bike with all the aftermarket parts and ride at the same tracks, same time of day yadadada he knows best bro
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GeorgiePorgie 10/21/2020 7:39pm
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UpTiTe wrote:
You can throw Izzy in the pile of kids he threw away.
FerCzD wrote:
Izzy put himself in the hole he dug. I don't see how Roger is involved in his downfall. Other than that I agree with you in...
Izzy put himself in the hole he dug. I don't see how Roger is involved in his downfall. Other than that I agree with you in part on your take that some things would have happened regardless he was there or not.
UpTiTe wrote:
When your boss gives you pain killers and you reach out to him when you realize you’re addicted and he won’t answer your call, he has...
When your boss gives you pain killers and you reach out to him when you realize you’re addicted and he won’t answer your call, he has plenty to do with it.
Oh get real.
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Suicidal_Tendencies 10/21/2020 7:50pm
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
Hahaha actual industry people say something moderately negative about Roger and vital apparently knows better based on their feelings. Classic.
The problem with not naming your sources is that there is no way to know whether they are credible or not. Maybe "industry guy" and "rider" don't like Roger. We don't have to know better to question an anonymous source.
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visser62 10/21/2020 7:51pm
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Silas444 wrote:
Barcia is faster than Webb? That's news to me. Barcia is faster than Osborne? That, too, is news to me. Roger's actions/motivations/abilities being questioned despite him...
Barcia is faster than Webb? That's news to me. Barcia is faster than Osborne? That, too, is news to me.

Roger's actions/motivations/abilities being questioned despite him, his teams, and his riders, winning one championship after another? That is most definitely NOT news to me, as it's been going on since he was on a twin-pipe CZ.
Chris_Buehler wrote:
Webb sure but plenty of races Barcia will beat Osbourne in sx
Osborne: One win and four podiums in 2020

Barcia: One win and three podiums in 2020

And of course Zacho has the outdoor title
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MxKing809 10/21/2020 7:51pm
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UpTiTe wrote:
You can throw Izzy in the pile of kids he threw away.
FerCzD wrote:
Izzy put himself in the hole he dug. I don't see how Roger is involved in his downfall. Other than that I agree with you in...
Izzy put himself in the hole he dug. I don't see how Roger is involved in his downfall. Other than that I agree with you in part on your take that some things would have happened regardless he was there or not.
UpTiTe wrote:
When your boss gives you pain killers and you reach out to him when you realize you’re addicted and he won’t answer your call, he has...
When your boss gives you pain killers and you reach out to him when you realize you’re addicted and he won’t answer your call, he has plenty to do with it.
That a pretty inflammatory accusation to make completely baseless... so I assume you know this for sure has some truth to it?
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Suicidal_Tendencies 10/21/2020 7:55pm
10/21/2020 7:55pm
UpTiTe wrote:
You think people can just call out Roger and expect to keep their jobs?
Probably not, but I'd be willing to be that someone no longer in the industry would speak up and use their name.
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Johnny Ringo 10/21/2020 7:56pm
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
Hahaha actual industry people say something moderately negative about Roger and vital apparently knows better based on their feelings. Classic.
Suicidal_Tendencies wrote:
The problem with not naming your sources is that there is no way to know whether they are credible or not. Maybe "industry guy" and "rider"...
The problem with not naming your sources is that there is no way to know whether they are credible or not. Maybe "industry guy" and "rider" don't like Roger. We don't have to know better to question an anonymous source.
At that point you are trusting the writer (Steve) to be credible, which I do.
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Chris_Buehler 10/21/2020 8:21pm
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Silas444 wrote:
Barcia is faster than Webb? That's news to me. Barcia is faster than Osborne? That, too, is news to me. Roger's actions/motivations/abilities being questioned despite him...
Barcia is faster than Webb? That's news to me. Barcia is faster than Osborne? That, too, is news to me.

Roger's actions/motivations/abilities being questioned despite him, his teams, and his riders, winning one championship after another? That is most definitely NOT news to me, as it's been going on since he was on a twin-pipe CZ.
Chris_Buehler wrote:
Webb sure but plenty of races Barcia will beat Osbourne in sx
visser62 wrote:
Osborne: One win and four podiums in 2020

Barcia: One win and three podiums in 2020

And of course Zacho has the outdoor title
Strictly talking supercross of course.
Chris_Buehler 10/21/2020 8:23pm
10/21/2020 8:23pm
Silas444 wrote:
Barcia is faster than Webb? That's news to me. Barcia is faster than Osborne? That, too, is news to me. Roger's actions/motivations/abilities being questioned despite him...
Barcia is faster than Webb? That's news to me. Barcia is faster than Osborne? That, too, is news to me.

Roger's actions/motivations/abilities being questioned despite him, his teams, and his riders, winning one championship after another? That is most definitely NOT news to me, as it's been going on since he was on a twin-pipe CZ.
Chris_Buehler wrote:
Webb sure but plenty of races Barcia will beat Osbourne in sx
visser62 wrote:
Osborne: One win and four podiums in 2020

Barcia: One win and three podiums in 2020

And of course Zacho has the outdoor title
I still feel like Ando is the number one Husky guy indoors. Am I off base there?
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MelonFan123 10/21/2020 8:26pm
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UpTiTe wrote:
Roger gets a lot of credit for things he didn’t do or had very little to do with. I’ll also say, that once he is done...
Roger gets a lot of credit for things he didn’t do or had very little to do with. I’ll also say, that once he is done with you, you’re pretty much trash to him. He’s ruined more than one riders career.
Glad I’m not the only one that feels that mystique around “The Man” is sometimes over-done.

Lots of success, yes. But also lots of swing and misses too - Team Suzuki in the 90s anyone?
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Suicidal_Tendencies 10/21/2020 9:20pm
10/21/2020 9:20pm
Johnny Ringo wrote:
At that point you are trusting the writer (Steve) to be credible, which I do.
Matthes is reporting what is being said, which I do not doubt. Matthes is not saying whether what is being said is trustworthy, reliable, or accurate.
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Chase Kanzel 10/21/2020 9:28pm
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robotsfrom wrote:
Doesn't DeCoster have a history of not being fond of Barcia? There was a post on here some time ago when Webb signed to KTM that...
Doesn't DeCoster have a history of not being fond of Barcia? There was a post on here some time ago when Webb signed to KTM that RedBull wanted Barcia, and DeCoster fought for Webb.
I think I recall Barcia mentioning Roger in his "Motocross Mt. Rushmore" during the outdoor series this year. I recall this was right around the time the talk came up of his new GasGas gig. Then again I may be wrong, and there has been some drama in the past. Barcia is one of those characters, but then again its half the reason I am a fan of the guy.
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Suicidal_Tendencies 10/21/2020 9:28pm
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UpTiTe wrote:
Roger gets a lot of credit for things he didn’t do or had very little to do with. I’ll also say, that once he is done...
Roger gets a lot of credit for things he didn’t do or had very little to do with. I’ll also say, that once he is done with you, you’re pretty much trash to him. He’s ruined more than one riders career.
MelonFan123 wrote:
Glad I’m not the only one that feels that mystique around “The Man” is sometimes over-done. Lots of success, yes. But also lots of swing and...
Glad I’m not the only one that feels that mystique around “The Man” is sometimes over-done.

Lots of success, yes. But also lots of swing and misses too - Team Suzuki in the 90s anyone?
Managed the 80s and 90s Honda team with titles from Bailey, O'Mara, Lechien, Bayle, Stanton, to everyone from RC to Dungey, and Webb. If memory serves me correct, there were titles on the 90s Suzuki team like Albertyn and TP199. Managed Team U.S.A. to how many MXoN victories? How is that overdone, and can you name a more prolific and winning team manager?
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Dutch348 10/21/2020 9:42pm
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I still don’t get why KTM has three separate teams now, on the same bike, named after old companies they bought out. What is the point of that? Are they gonna buy out Suzuki next? Wtf
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KTM has been winning in everything they are involved in except US 250 MX/SX after they folded their own 250 team and let TLD run it. TLD hasn't been winning.

I'm gonna laugh at that and trust Roger, rather than an anonymous "industry guy" with what seems to have hurt feelings. And the riders conspiracy theory? My god, does he think the earth is flat too?Grinning
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I buy any bike Roger builds. Suzuki, Honda, KTM. Has to have #104. Roger is the man. 5x World Champion. Honda, Suzuki, KTM. I wouldn’t have anyone over 30 on my team. 5 years max, next! Need New blood coming up, Definitely wouldn’t hire Barcia. Has Barcia won anything besides 250F supercross lites title (10 years ago). Cut losses and move on. Pro MX is young mans sport (with odd stragglers (Osborne, Reed, Windham, Larocco, Dowd, Decoster). Anyone over 20 should be in 450 class. No rides are available, then hit privateer life or start working/studying.
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CPR 10/22/2020 3:07am
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ZOBITO wrote:
If DeCoster is so afraid of KTM getting beat, why does he keep Musquin year after year?
Yeah who would sign a stand up dependable guy who’s finished both the SX & MX championships no worse than 4th (and that’s coming off injury) over the last five years?!
Must be crazy!
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UpTiTe wrote:
He was never team manager at Honda and was only responsible for hiring one rider out all those guys. Dave Arnold built that team and hired...
He was never team manager at Honda and was only responsible for hiring one rider out all those guys. Dave Arnold built that team and hired those riders.

Suzuki? Take away RC and a chance meeting with Dungey and what did he win?

Developing a new bike? Andrew Short was developing that bike when Roger was hired, KTM was going to be a power house with or without him because of Pit. Did he help set that bike up for supercross and the US? Yes, with the help of Ian.

Obviously the guy has achieved tons, but he also gets a lot of credit for things that would’ve happened without him.
“Suzuki? Take away RC and a chance meeting with Dungey and what did he win? “

Considering there was only two years for Suzuki between RC and RD, you may be forgiven for not noticing a particular number 22 on a yellow bike in 2009?
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ZOBITO 10/22/2020 4:22am
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Question wrote:
I will bring some popcorn too so fortunately you don't work as team manager or in a marketing department ;) Musquin with his Dungey-like clean cut...

I will bring some popcorn too so fortunately you don't work as team manager or in a marketing department Wink

Musquin with his Dungey-like clean cut and nice style is selling, and selling well globally ; France is quite like the california of europe in term of market, we have the most tracks too, come to a race and you will see an orange wave.

Yes no 450 title but there is only 1 winner and being top 20 in the all-time points, with 7 top 3 in championship standings (almost 8 with this year for a few points), whereas he is in 450 since 2016 only is not too shabby either.

https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/Career-Stats-Most-Superc…

https://vault.racerxonline.com/rider/marvin-musquin/points
If Musquin was anything "Dungey-like", he'd bring championships home.
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