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rileymx
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6/8/2009 3:13pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 12:18am
Dasmonger wrote:
No Depth? Let's see your 2008 GP MX2 champ and the runner up are in 4th (Rattray)and 7th(Searle)here. Looks like great depth there.... and unfortunately that...
No Depth? Let's see your 2008 GP MX2 champ and the runner up are in 4th (Rattray)and 7th(Searle)here.

Looks like great depth there.... and unfortunately that is the closest comparison we can make. All other havent really raced each in other over a year.
even if rattray only got to be champion when pourcel and cairoli did not race.......the no depth thing is about the 450 class for sure.......
the 250 class in usa is the toughest series, i think the top 10 is way harder to get in outdoors than in mxgp, still i think some of the young kids in mx2 could be in us fighting for it and there is some top 20 guys there also ....but i think that it is easyer to see racers come from way deep in first lap to top in america, in mxpg you dont see that so often.......
i also think that the 450 class in america should be tougher......being the prime class of american motocross it should not be possible for brown or deitrich to come and top 5, factory riders should be up front every race, rookies should have much more dificulty to be at pace and there is a lot of good riders out like stuwart, windham, villo, langston, townley, hepler , etc........i guess deepdown even the most patriotic american fans must be a bit disapointed with the 450 class, there arent that many figths up front, it is not as intense as it should for the american championship....
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6/8/2009 3:18pm
Crush wrote:
Reed, Metty, Reardon vs Alessi, Short, Dungey...

Close one I reckon...
hope so
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6/8/2009 3:51pm
It's like 99.99% certain that he wouldn't be ready. He said he won't, and the rebuild they are talking about has a pretty long rehab period (think RC 04). I doubt he'd miss the full outdoor season, but then jump into the MXdN a couple weekes later. He's probably shooting for A1.
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6/8/2009 4:19pm
Crush wrote:
Reed, Metty, Reardon vs Alessi, Short, Dungey...

Close one I reckon...
googs wrote:
Dan needs to maintain his rate of improvement....burner may end up with the final spot. alessi and dungey should be first picked for the US....Bubbles must...
Dan needs to maintain his rate of improvement....burner may end up with the final spot.


alessi and dungey should be first picked for the US....Bubbles must be on the team if he shows up to a national or two....cause he will win whatever rounds he enters......and he says he wants to race the MXDN..
Reardon is def stronger than Byrner right now... Byrner seems like he is still pretty tentative whereas Dan probably has that contract burning up smell in his nose, always a good incentive...

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6/8/2009 4:31pm
Crush wrote:
Reed, Metty, Reardon vs Alessi, Short, Dungey...

Close one I reckon...
Ain't going to happen. He needs to stay off the bike as long as possible. He will be pushing it to be 100% at A1.
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6/8/2009 4:34pm
Us yanks need to stop talking the trash. This year could be the year of humbling for the good old USA.
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6/8/2009 4:37pm
jmar wrote:
Us yanks need to stop talking the trash. This year could be the year of humbling for the good old USA.
I agree with you (wow), its not looking so great right now.
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its not looking to great when apparently theres a rumour floating around about alessi being injured
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6/8/2009 5:07pm
Dasmonger wrote:
No Depth? Let's see your 2008 GP MX2 champ and the runner up are in 4th (Rattray)and 7th(Searle)here. Looks like great depth there.... and unfortunately that...
No Depth? Let's see your 2008 GP MX2 champ and the runner up are in 4th (Rattray)and 7th(Searle)here.

Looks like great depth there.... and unfortunately that is the closest comparison we can make. All other havent really raced each in other over a year.
rileymx wrote:
even if rattray only got to be champion when pourcel and cairoli did not race.......the no depth thing is about the 450 class for sure....... the...
even if rattray only got to be champion when pourcel and cairoli did not race.......the no depth thing is about the 450 class for sure.......
the 250 class in usa is the toughest series, i think the top 10 is way harder to get in outdoors than in mxgp, still i think some of the young kids in mx2 could be in us fighting for it and there is some top 20 guys there also ....but i think that it is easyer to see racers come from way deep in first lap to top in america, in mxpg you dont see that so often.......
i also think that the 450 class in america should be tougher......being the prime class of american motocross it should not be possible for brown or deitrich to come and top 5, factory riders should be up front every race, rookies should have much more dificulty to be at pace and there is a lot of good riders out like stuwart, windham, villo, langston, townley, hepler , etc........i guess deepdown even the most patriotic american fans must be a bit disapointed with the 450 class, there arent that many figths up front, it is not as intense as it should for the american championship....
What about Brown and Dietrich?.. Well that's kinda like Pichon coming back from retirement and easily getting into the GP top 10, Except that Dietrich is a total badass.. and Brown loves that GH track..

The problem over here is, that by the time many riders move up to the 450, they are quickly getting burned out. It's not fun to race unless you can get into the top 5 consistantly.. Over here you either start making some improvements or you just get out, it costs too much to be floundering outside the top 10 in the 450 class....

In the GP's I see same old riders riding for years and years and still just barely making to the top 20..Just seems weird to me. We obviously don't have that kind of small team support history that you have in Europe (which BTW is being slowly destroyed by youthstream, I noticed only 27 MX1 guys lined up this weekend!)...

If needed I am sure we could scrounge up some more quality 450 riders to make that top 5 thru 20 more exciting...lol.. but unless your still young and have some upward potential, it's sometimes just not worth it.



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6/8/2009 6:47pm
i never said mxgp was perfect, luongo made good things with the tv and net coverage and the image of the races, but toke away the prize money and asks huge fees to enter the championship and for that the gate is not full........
every thing is looking more professional and the teams and sponsors are getting a lot more exposure now, but its much more dificult for the private riders to step up from national championshps to the mxgp. but now they are implementing an age limit for the mx2 and a one title defence chance rule which might be the way to imrove the mx1 particitation......still there is a lot of mx people that dont agree with the luongo way.....

btw....mickael pichon is one of the great mx riders of his time, he showed that in the mxgp and in america, too bad the american honda deal didnt work.....still he won again in europe, won in the enduro world championship, won in supermoto, won beach races and is retired from the mxgp only because of his long time injurys that dont allow him to get top racing form..............
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6/8/2009 7:37pm
USA needs another back up plan!!!!!
IF Alessi is out (knee) i'm sure all the JS7 should not ride haters will now change there mind
6/8/2009 8:09pm
Alessi option is pretty much out. So, now we could have:

MX1 = Stewart OR Short
MX2 = Dungey
MX3 = Grant

Here's a crazy, but potentially good idea. Put Dungey on the 450 (remember, he finished on the podium last year in supercross on the 450 in only his second ride, and did some considerable testing last year in the off-season on one) and bump in Canard who's getting faster week in and week out to MX2. Grant is a great rider, but has been known for inconsistency in the past (crashed at Texas for a 3-25 finish!), while Short has been steady as a rock for two consecutive seasons.

Ultimate question is, do we rely in a rusty Stewart to carry the banner or turn it over to someone else who has been racing the entire summer?
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6/8/2009 8:12pm
Alessi option is pretty much out. So, now we could have: MX1 = Stewart OR Short MX2 = Dungey MX3 = Grant Here's a crazy, but...
Alessi option is pretty much out. So, now we could have:

MX1 = Stewart OR Short
MX2 = Dungey
MX3 = Grant

Here's a crazy, but potentially good idea. Put Dungey on the 450 (remember, he finished on the podium last year in supercross on the 450 in only his second ride, and did some considerable testing last year in the off-season on one) and bump in Canard who's getting faster week in and week out to MX2. Grant is a great rider, but has been known for inconsistency in the past (crashed at Texas for a 3-25 finish!), while Short has been steady as a rock for two consecutive seasons.

Ultimate question is, do we rely in a rusty Stewart to carry the banner or turn it over to someone else who has been racing the entire summer?
Rusty? Laughing
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MX1-Stewart
MX2-Dungey
MX3-Short (teams need a good consistant rider. TF15 proved that)
What if they decide to race for Puerto RIco????
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6/8/2009 8:19pm
i agree with stewart dungey and short
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6/8/2009 8:20pm
mxracer32 wrote:
i agree with stewart dungey and short
Very strong team!
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6/8/2009 8:21pm Edited Date/Time 6/8/2009 8:23pm
oops.
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6/8/2009 8:57pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 12:18am
i really hope james will be on the team, i'm european and think an european team will win, and i dont see james winning in the mxdn if he doesnt race the rest of the outdoors.........
i know he is great and respect is speed, but i also respect the value of the other and they are not going by foot.......
being real about mx, i dont think james can win with an sx bike and without being in race shape, the others are not that bad..!!!!!!!!!
we all have seen that he as issues when put under big presure and having his countries hope on his unprepared shoulders should be the most presure he will ever have.......
any mx fan, even american, must agree that only if he races 4 or 5 outdoors, get the bike set-up dialed in, get race shape, and than he can go and probably win.......
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6/8/2009 9:03pm
putting dungey on a 450 to ride against the likes of cairoli, phillipaerts, maybe s.pourcel, coppins, nagl etc. is going to be a big ask from him
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6/9/2009 3:18am
dungey could do it he is a class act, grant and stewart would be the fastest speed wise - grant van be on his day as fast as rv or mike- plus dungey mx2 and usa will still prob be favourites as it looks like seb poucel is out for france. I feel bad for mike for mike tho.
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6/9/2009 3:27am
Alessi option is pretty much out. So, now we could have: MX1 = Stewart OR Short MX2 = Dungey MX3 = Grant Here's a crazy, but...
Alessi option is pretty much out. So, now we could have:

MX1 = Stewart OR Short
MX2 = Dungey
MX3 = Grant

Here's a crazy, but potentially good idea. Put Dungey on the 450 (remember, he finished on the podium last year in supercross on the 450 in only his second ride, and did some considerable testing last year in the off-season on one) and bump in Canard who's getting faster week in and week out to MX2. Grant is a great rider, but has been known for inconsistency in the past (crashed at Texas for a 3-25 finish!), while Short has been steady as a rock for two consecutive seasons.

Ultimate question is, do we rely in a rusty Stewart to carry the banner or turn it over to someone else who has been racing the entire summer?
Ultimate question is, do we rely in a rusty Stewart to carry the banner or turn it over to someone else who has been racing the entire summer?

Rusty Stewart? Who the heck is that?

Ohhhhhh...That Rusty Stewart! The guy that showed up at Glen Helen last year with a new knee and even won a few races. I wouldn't rely on that guy...he's rusty.
6/9/2009 3:30am
Dungey could handle almost all of the MX1 riders except for possibly Cairoli. Unfortunately, the loss of Alessi, Villipoto, or even Stewart from the team is little help when the US still has the likes of Canard, Grant, Short etc, all blazing fast riders. Australia may be in with a shot...a motivated and outdoor savvy Reed, Metcalfe, and Reardon in the MX3 is also one hell of a team! Most of the other countries seem to suffer from the '2 riders who are hot shit, 1 who is just shit' scenario.
6/9/2009 3:53am
So, if JS stay home, a very good occasion to see if a real US "B" team could win the MXoN...

Wink
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6/9/2009 5:17am
If France field a team of fit riders they will be hard to beat. I reckon you should coax RC back for the day.... least you'll get a couple of race wins in the MX1 then for sure...

Course the Brit team will be ready to kick ass.. lol
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6/9/2009 5:26am Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 12:19am
Dungey could handle almost all of the MX1 riders except for possibly Cairoli. Unfortunately, the loss of Alessi, Villipoto, or even Stewart from the team is...
Dungey could handle almost all of the MX1 riders except for possibly Cairoli. Unfortunately, the loss of Alessi, Villipoto, or even Stewart from the team is little help when the US still has the likes of Canard, Grant, Short etc, all blazing fast riders. Australia may be in with a shot...a motivated and outdoor savvy Reed, Metcalfe, and Reardon in the MX3 is also one hell of a team! Most of the other countries seem to suffer from the '2 riders who are hot shit, 1 who is just shit' scenario.
The thing I about the Motocross des Nations is that there's usually a surprise package, a rider that far exceeds anyones expectation and their current form.


On paper we (Great Britain) had a good team last year; Mackenzie, Searle and Simpson, but some bad luck. If Simpson returns to his winning ways before the end of the season and Billy learns not to crash when running top 5 we could still have a decent shot of the podium.


The problem with a USA team consisting of Dungey, Short and Grant is that none of them have MXdN experience. Have any of them even ridden outside of the US? I wonder if that might count against them.


The way things are going I wont be surprised if the US decides to pull out for 'economic' reasons anyway.

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6/9/2009 5:28am
As a fan, I prefer Stewart to go so I have the oportunity to see him ride again. But, I don't think it's fair. SX only means that, SX only.
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mmcmx wrote:
As a fan, I prefer Stewart to go so I have the oportunity to see him ride again. But, I don't think it's fair. SX only...
As a fan, I prefer Stewart to go so I have the oportunity to see him ride again. But, I don't think it's fair. SX only means that, SX only.
Wouldn't the other teams want to compete against our best riders available?
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mmcmx wrote:
As a fan, I prefer Stewart to go so I have the oportunity to see him ride again. But, I don't think it's fair. SX only...
As a fan, I prefer Stewart to go so I have the oportunity to see him ride again. But, I don't think it's fair. SX only means that, SX only.
gsxrcr28 wrote:
Wouldn't the other teams want to compete against our best riders available?
I'd say so yeah.

Plus if the US did lose the trophy it would probably be a hollow victory, not to mention dismissed by the US fans.
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6/9/2009 11:29am
the U.S. team should be Stewart, Grant and Dungey. with RV and MA hurt they should take 2 450`s and a 250.

Stewart is the fastest right now.
Grant is the best Placed American rider in the AMA series
dungey is a no brainer on his rmz 250
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6/9/2009 11:50am
mmcmx wrote:
As a fan, I prefer Stewart to go so I have the oportunity to see him ride again. But, I don't think it's fair. SX only...
As a fan, I prefer Stewart to go so I have the oportunity to see him ride again. But, I don't think it's fair. SX only means that, SX only.
gsxrcr28 wrote:
Wouldn't the other teams want to compete against our best riders available?
jamma10 wrote:
I'd say so yeah. Plus if the US did lose the trophy it would probably be a hollow victory, not to mention dismissed by the US...
I'd say so yeah.

Plus if the US did lose the trophy it would probably be a hollow victory, not to mention dismissed by the US fans.
anyone that calls a victory hollow is missing the point of racing.

Every victory in the US is hollow because RC isn't there and the GPs because Everts isn't there....oh wait...they retired...well, it's hollow because Hannah isn't racing...oh wait...

It's racing. The guys that line up each week are bad ass riders and the one who wins deserves respect.

I know the folks that attend the MXoN want to see Stewart because he's amazing, but he is SX only. I think the team gets chosen from guys racing MX. If Stew wants to race a few races and put his mark on this season...then ok by me. Otherwise, you pull from the guys on the track.

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