TLD KTM giving up on Derek Drake after one year

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Edited Date/Time 9/13/2020 11:52am
I read this morning on Good, bad and ugly that TLD only has a spot for Branden Hartranft and may be letting Drake go. He is a great rider and they definitely need to hold onto this blazing fast kid. In my humble opinion Drake has natural riding abilities and has shown some amazing speed. If this kid had another year with the right person to help develop his race craft, I am certain he would be a podium contender every race and maybe even win Next year. I Would hate to see this talent fade away because he doesn’t have the equipment and people around him that could push him to a possible championship in the next couple years. I really hope a team takes advantage of TLD’s mistake and picks Derek up. PC has the machines and personal. JGR wouldn’t be as good but it’s factory equipment. Just my opinion of course. Good luck Drake! You have people out here that see you. Keep up the fight!
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erickx450 wrote:
I read this morning on Good, bad and ugly that TLD only has a spot for Branden Hartranft and may be letting Drake go. He is...
I read this morning on Good, bad and ugly that TLD only has a spot for Branden Hartranft and may be letting Drake go. He is a great rider and they definitely need to hold onto this blazing fast kid. In my humble opinion Drake has natural riding abilities and has shown some amazing speed. If this kid had another year with the right person to help develop his race craft, I am certain he would be a podium contender every race and maybe even win Next year. I Would hate to see this talent fade away because he doesn’t have the equipment and people around him that could push him to a possible championship in the next couple years. I really hope a team takes advantage of TLD’s mistake and picks Derek up. PC has the machines and personal. JGR wouldn’t be as good but it’s factory equipment. Just my opinion of course. Good luck Drake! You have people out here that see you. Keep up the fight!
Is he hurt? What are his best results?
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Sauce96 9/11/2020 8:43am
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this is his second full outdoors on TLD. He has Has done 25 pro races 7 top tens, never finished in the top ten overall in outdoors. BH30 has 47 career starts with 26 top tens,. I wish the best for drake but Brandon makes more sense based on results.
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Welcome to team TLD KTM. Drake, Falk, Cantrell..
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Why wouldn't JGR be as good? Did I miss all the TLD KTM's slaying the field somewhere?
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He's got the consistency down...

His results in the last four SX this season: 9,9,9,9

His results in the first five nationals: 12,12,11,11,12


He was fast in Qualy at Red Bud wasn't he?

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Out of all the 250s on the gate, where does the TLD stand?

Derek may be better off going a different direction. I love TLD, but that KTM 250 has never been known as being super competitive...
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Problem with the amateur situation. Need money for spaces for the top “B” prospects so once they turn pro they get 1 or maybe 2 years to develop. And they kids don’t have much race experience as they only race 3-4 big amateur races a year and spend the rest of the year riding at the chosen facility. Really feel there should be a limit to amateur support and the money should be to support the guys once they turn pro. And need more opportunities to race at national level tracks during the season besides LL...one of the many reasons why MXGP is passing us outdoors
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Sauce96 9/11/2020 9:31am
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Get rid of Tyler Keefe and they might be very competitive. We've seen what he says to riders on camera imagine behind closed doors.
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str8line wrote:
He's got the consistency down... His results in the last four SX this season: 9,9,9,9 His results in the first five nationals: 12,12,11,11,12 He was fast...
He's got the consistency down...

His results in the last four SX this season: 9,9,9,9

His results in the first five nationals: 12,12,11,11,12


He was fast in Qualy at Red Bud wasn't he?

17th red bud 1 And 7th red bud 2
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charge 9/11/2020 9:41am
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Ideally there would be more rides in both classes but I thought it was a good discussion on the review show between JT, Weege, and Matthes. A lot of these teams are so scared to miss that they are giving factory rides to all these amateur kids and many are just taking rides from riders who are earning a shot.

IMO Mason Gonzalez has been very impressive on a non factory bike and has earned a shot but where is he going to go?
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Sauce96 wrote:
Get rid of Tyler Keefe and they might be very competitive. We've seen what he says to riders on camera imagine behind closed doors.
Like JBone he is buddies with media members
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Hmmm. I'm not one to discourage a rider, but shiz happens. The best riders will rise toward the top, team or no team. Also, he had a one-year contract for a reason. If he doesn't bring enough results and the team's budget is limited, what would you have the team do? They have a business objective and it's nothing personal.
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He's got the consistency down... His results in the last four SX this season: 9,9,9,9 His results in the first five nationals: 12,12,11,11,12 He was fast...
He's got the consistency down...

His results in the last four SX this season: 9,9,9,9

His results in the first five nationals: 12,12,11,11,12


He was fast in Qualy at Red Bud wasn't he?

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17th red bud 1 And 7th red bud 2
7th shows he's got legitimate speed in this field. He's outperforming a lot of really fast dudes. Tough when you start in 18th,12th place. Moto 1 winner McElrath started in 17th second moto and only made it up to 10th place.


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erickx450 wrote:
I read this morning on Good, bad and ugly that TLD only has a spot for Branden Hartranft and may be letting Drake go. He is...
I read this morning on Good, bad and ugly that TLD only has a spot for Branden Hartranft and may be letting Drake go. He is a great rider and they definitely need to hold onto this blazing fast kid. In my humble opinion Drake has natural riding abilities and has shown some amazing speed. If this kid had another year with the right person to help develop his race craft, I am certain he would be a podium contender every race and maybe even win Next year. I Would hate to see this talent fade away because he doesn’t have the equipment and people around him that could push him to a possible championship in the next couple years. I really hope a team takes advantage of TLD’s mistake and picks Derek up. PC has the machines and personal. JGR wouldn’t be as good but it’s factory equipment. Just my opinion of course. Good luck Drake! You have people out here that see you. Keep up the fight!
The team has to work within the budget and support they’ve been given. At the moment it sounds like they only have two 250 spots going into 2021. Pierce Brown already has a contract for next season in place and has shown the most raw speed in the group. That leaves spot two between Drake and Hartfrant. Brandon has been stronger all year and is much more consistent. The team needs someone consistent to balance our Pierce’s raw speed but up and down results, thus Brandon is the more logical choice.

At this point last year, I believe the team was expecting to have more than just two 250 spots for 2021. Changing times...
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erickx450 wrote:
I read this morning on Good, bad and ugly that TLD only has a spot for Branden Hartranft and may be letting Drake go. He is...
I read this morning on Good, bad and ugly that TLD only has a spot for Branden Hartranft and may be letting Drake go. He is a great rider and they definitely need to hold onto this blazing fast kid. In my humble opinion Drake has natural riding abilities and has shown some amazing speed. If this kid had another year with the right person to help develop his race craft, I am certain he would be a podium contender every race and maybe even win Next year. I Would hate to see this talent fade away because he doesn’t have the equipment and people around him that could push him to a possible championship in the next couple years. I really hope a team takes advantage of TLD’s mistake and picks Derek up. PC has the machines and personal. JGR wouldn’t be as good but it’s factory equipment. Just my opinion of course. Good luck Drake! You have people out here that see you. Keep up the fight!
ML512 wrote:
The team has to work within the budget and support they’ve been given. At the moment it sounds like they only have two 250 spots going...
The team has to work within the budget and support they’ve been given. At the moment it sounds like they only have two 250 spots going into 2021. Pierce Brown already has a contract for next season in place and has shown the most raw speed in the group. That leaves spot two between Drake and Hartfrant. Brandon has been stronger all year and is much more consistent. The team needs someone consistent to balance our Pierce’s raw speed but up and down results, thus Brandon is the more logical choice.

At this point last year, I believe the team was expecting to have more than just two 250 spots for 2021. Changing times...
Anticipating the crash? I mean bike sales are through the roof, over 50% of buyers are new to market. I still don't understand why the mainstream appeal doesn't translate to watching racing. Someone is not doing their job as far as expanding the sport. We need to transcend this model of chasing uneducated viewers. My friends that ride won't even watch SX or MX anymore, ever since the stew/reed/villo/dungy era we have dropped off.
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LKHill 9/11/2020 11:48am
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With the amount of bikes they sold this year they should be able to double the size of the factory teams Drake will be fine as long as they keep scraping the riders of the track every week. Look what Harrison is doing.
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Sauce96 wrote:
Get rid of Tyler Keefe and they might be very competitive. We've seen what he says to riders on camera imagine behind closed doors.
charge wrote:
Like JBone he is buddies with media members
And this has to with their success or failure how?...much less their job security?
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Sauce96 wrote:
Get rid of Tyler Keefe and they might be very competitive. We've seen what he says to riders on camera imagine behind closed doors.
Brandon himself seems to think highly of Tyler. Spoke about him on the Pulp MX show recently and only has good things to say.

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ML512 wrote:
The team has to work within the budget and support they’ve been given. At the moment it sounds like they only have two 250 spots going...
The team has to work within the budget and support they’ve been given. At the moment it sounds like they only have two 250 spots going into 2021. Pierce Brown already has a contract for next season in place and has shown the most raw speed in the group. That leaves spot two between Drake and Hartfrant. Brandon has been stronger all year and is much more consistent. The team needs someone consistent to balance our Pierce’s raw speed but up and down results, thus Brandon is the more logical choice.

At this point last year, I believe the team was expecting to have more than just two 250 spots for 2021. Changing times...
Right but they will be on Gas Gas and then KTM is putting two 250 riders under the RedBull/KTM tent, right? If so, the number of KTM(ish) factory bikes stays the same.
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ML512 wrote:
The team has to work within the budget and support they’ve been given. At the moment it sounds like they only have two 250 spots going...
The team has to work within the budget and support they’ve been given. At the moment it sounds like they only have two 250 spots going into 2021. Pierce Brown already has a contract for next season in place and has shown the most raw speed in the group. That leaves spot two between Drake and Hartfrant. Brandon has been stronger all year and is much more consistent. The team needs someone consistent to balance our Pierce’s raw speed but up and down results, thus Brandon is the more logical choice.

At this point last year, I believe the team was expecting to have more than just two 250 spots for 2021. Changing times...
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Right but they will be on Gas Gas and then KTM is putting two 250 riders under the RedBull/KTM tent, right? If so, the number of...
Right but they will be on Gas Gas and then KTM is putting two 250 riders under the RedBull/KTM tent, right? If so, the number of KTM(ish) factory bikes stays the same.
I believe there's only 1 250 rider under the Factory Red Bull KTM team tent.
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I already thought Hartranft deserved a spot on a more "superior" team than KTM for 2020 than what he landed (i.e Star, Gieco, PC). This year was just icing on the cake. He is really clicking. I'd love to see him on a Star bike. No doubt he should have this spot on lock over Drake.
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
I believe there's only 1 250 rider under the Factory Red Bull KTM team tent.
So basically going all in on Max Vohland. Seems like if they are going to run a 250 program at all they would have a rider on each coast like they did circa 2011-2015. I still hope they end up taking Marchbanks.
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I believe there's only 1 250 rider under the Factory Red Bull KTM team tent.
hamncheeze wrote:
So basically going all in on Max Vohland. Seems like if they are going to run a 250 program at all they would have a rider...
So basically going all in on Max Vohland. Seems like if they are going to run a 250 program at all they would have a rider on each coast like they did circa 2011-2015. I still hope they end up taking Marchbanks.
Is Max going pro? I don't think he's even raced B class yet.
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With the amount of bikes they sold this year they should be able to double the size of the factory teams Drake will be fine as...
With the amount of bikes they sold this year they should be able to double the size of the factory teams Drake will be fine as long as they keep scraping the riders of the track every week. Look what Harrison is doing.
Not quite sure that's how it works.........Whistling
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Welcome to team TLD KTM. Drake, Falk, Cantrell..
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
I believe there's only 1 250 rider under the Factory Red Bull KTM team tent.
hamncheeze wrote:
So basically going all in on Max Vohland. Seems like if they are going to run a 250 program at all they would have a rider...
So basically going all in on Max Vohland. Seems like if they are going to run a 250 program at all they would have a rider on each coast like they did circa 2011-2015. I still hope they end up taking Marchbanks.
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Is Max going pro? I don't think he's even raced B class yet.
I think he’s going pro next year at the nationals? And riding SX all winter this year with the team.
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Renner153 wrote:
Welcome to team TLD KTM. Drake, Falk, Cantrell..
TSCHAM101 wrote:
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I don't think many had high expectations for Falk, Cantrell or Frye coming out of the amateurs. Drake, on the other hand, was the alpha of his class. He was the start of what should be a great run for KTM with Brown, Thrasher, Vohland, Deegan, etc. I would be surprised if they didn't find a spot for him somewhere in the KTM group.
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I agree there is too much money spent at the amateur level that really handicaps alot of these teams, KTM, HUSKY etc.

I am okay with them providing some support but full factory rides at the big races is overkill.

I will say this one of the elite amateurs gets $200K a year from their race bike brand to race their mini bikes plus has $50K to cover travel expenses, at least this was what I was told by his grandfather.

Now do all the teams do this, I don't know, but I thought that was absolutely crazy when he told me that.

Anyways put a cap on what the teams can spend on amateur "Factory" kids and eliminate the mod classes in mini's and I believe you would see more cream rise to the top. When mom and pop have to spend $3000 to have a mod 65 engine built after spending $6000 on the bike not including suspension $$ etc it eliminates a-lot of kids from being competitive. Make all classes thru 85cc limited only.
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If your getting $200K a year you should not be able to race amateur, period.
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I agree there is too much money spent at the amateur level that really handicaps alot of these teams, KTM, HUSKY etc. I am okay with...
I agree there is too much money spent at the amateur level that really handicaps alot of these teams, KTM, HUSKY etc.

I am okay with them providing some support but full factory rides at the big races is overkill.

I will say this one of the elite amateurs gets $200K a year from their race bike brand to race their mini bikes plus has $50K to cover travel expenses, at least this was what I was told by his grandfather.

Now do all the teams do this, I don't know, but I thought that was absolutely crazy when he told me that.

Anyways put a cap on what the teams can spend on amateur "Factory" kids and eliminate the mod classes in mini's and I believe you would see more cream rise to the top. When mom and pop have to spend $3000 to have a mod 65 engine built after spending $6000 on the bike not including suspension $$ etc it eliminates a-lot of kids from being competitive. Make all classes thru 85cc limited only.
I disagree that the amateur model is handicapping the pro teams, the big five 250 teams are as hearty as ever. But even if that was the case, it wouldn't apply to the subject of this thread. KTM group is adding a 3rd brand and there is a lot of restructuring going on with the teams. Drake would be more a casualty of the restructuring than budget.

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