Works Ohlins Yamaha YZ360 doesn't meet minimum friend requirement for Farleigh

9/4/2020 6:34am
Maaaaan if you want to talk moto with a guy who has "been there" punch that number into your wireless handheld. You probably won't get off the phone for less than $700.00 but your bike will be crisper than twice fried KFC.



9/4/2020 6:47am
Can we start talking to event organizers now to push the Super Evo class up to 96 for 2021.
Super Evo is 1990 up to (and including) 1996, open CC. I don't see any issues with your bike for next year.

Can't wait to lay eyes open this gem next year - i'll be over for a chat.
15tc150
Posts
403
Joined
4/21/2019
Location
CA
9/4/2020 6:58am
cdoggy81 wrote:
That EK MX3D is a bad ass top quality chain & I am running the same one on my build. Nothing looks as good, nothing. Stupid...
That EK MX3D is a bad ass top quality chain & I am running the same one on my build. Nothing looks as good, nothing. Stupid expensive but once you cross a certain point what the hell right 😎

Do let us know how those Brisk plugs work out compared to the NGK red box BR8EG. Not sure how much they cost but if equal in quality & then cheaper than the NGK I would try them. However as much as we all know about plugs I think we get this rabbit hole of a subject & know they won’t light the world on fire (pun intended LoL) 👍🏻
Lol, I file my plug tips to help the flow of electricity, the less square edges the better, less coronal affect, as well as better heat flow, electricity and heat do not like square edges unless your trying to attract both to a certain point. I haven’t been able to test it out visually yet, as I don’t have an actual spark testing setup, with my knowledge in the high voltage world, and have seen enough voltage testing done and how it reacts and behaves, to different surfaces, the only two square edges you would want for your ground tip, are the two closest to the conductor. Even then, you want a sharper more defined point in the middle to concentrate the sparks energy, and stop erratic behaviour, what Talib said about those e3 plugs, is right, they are garbage, and they make the spark dance around too much, and it produces weak heat and poor flow of electricity, as your giving too many point of contact, concentrated spark energy is hotter, will ignite fuel easier, and as well, be harder to snuff out with the introduction of more fuel with a richer tune.
9/4/2020 7:54am
I look forward to it, then. I was worried. Also, At this point it's just in the "idea" stage, BUT, I asked Doug Dubach why no one has contacted Bobby Moore about this race.. he said he didn't know, and he would reach out. I figured it seems like everyone BUT the guy who should be over there for this more than anyone has gone over there. This race needs Bobby Moore and that OG British GP announcer that had the really good, dry humor that sails over dumb people's heads.

I want a panoramic pic of my bike and the yzm500 sitting front tire to front tire, too.

The Shop

9/4/2020 8:16am
I did not think before saying that. :( I would like to have a way to explain how it works because then i get a bike.;)...
I did not think before saying that. Sad

I would like to have a way to explain how it works because then i get a bike.Wink

What youre saying about copy pasting i think is true but it says it on the product page from the manufacturer which is from the Netherlands.

I would love to have an oldtimer bike and built it. But i only have the funds for 1 bike and will ride my yz125 untill it is broken.

I would like to come out to vmxdn and see this amazing bike.
If you show in Farleigh I'll let you wheelie it across the parking lot
If i can come over to vmxdn i will come and have a chat and look at this amazing piece of art.
9/4/2020 8:58am
If i can come over to vmxdn i will come and have a chat and look at this amazing piece of art.
Look forward to it.

Indian gas tank bolted to a Japanese frame with an Italian swingarm suspended by Swedish gold, via American triple clamps clad with American plastic and vinyl, rolling on French-vended Japanese wheels, laced & assembled by a well-traveled bilingual redneck waiting on Belgian electronics.

Speaking of India, the guy sounded like a Brit, a bit like "Hambini" if any of you cycle and watch the Hambini YouTube channel. I think he lives in the UK, and manages a shop in India remotely or has dual citizenship or something and goes back and forth. He makes vintage gas tanks for dry barrel Yamahas, too. Maybe I'll see if he wants to come out. I sure would love to have a 81 465 with one of his tanks, and white fenders, maybe gold wheels, machined fins, pfr pipe and round welded can, cheater cartridge 87 forks with the front brake provisions turned off on a lathe...

3
9/4/2020 11:24am
Love the TPS function. 6 maps. 1 foof map for tech/sound, then the 5 after it after set up in presumptively 20% increments of TPS voltage so you can really tailor not just the ignition curve but the power delivery itself. I can see myself sitting and tinkering with this trackside on a laptop constantly. Might be a slippery slope.



2
cdoggy81
Posts
1490
Joined
1/1/2018
Location
St. Petersburg, FL US
9/5/2020 6:16am
Enlighten us a little more about that HPI unit.
Looks like it is customizable & programmable. How are the preloaded curves? Equal to the Vortex units? Price wise they seem to be a better buy. I would be interested in one as well for my modern yz if it was plug & play with an added boost of power right out of the box but then could fine tune it a bit with loading & adjusting custom maps/curves/etc.
9/5/2020 7:19am Edited Date/Time 9/5/2020 7:39am
cdoggy81 wrote:
Enlighten us a little more about that HPI unit. Looks like it is customizable & programmable. How are the preloaded curves? Equal to the Vortex units...
Enlighten us a little more about that HPI unit.
Looks like it is customizable & programmable. How are the preloaded curves? Equal to the Vortex units? Price wise they seem to be a better buy. I would be interested in one as well for my modern yz if it was plug & play with an added boost of power right out of the box but then could fine tune it a bit with loading & adjusting custom maps/curves/etc.
You're going to want to stick with stock. Or maybe a Vortex. Vortex and this thing are wildly different target audiences. The Vortex is great for a weekend guy, preloaded maps. The Vortex can store 10 maps. You can change between them with a screw driver, or if you buy a bar switch, you can pick two and flip flop. The basemaps are alright. Lots of people write better maps for them. Ron Wood, people like that. Bolt on horsepower.

The HPI is more or less a race team piece of equipment. Doesn't come with basemaps unless you know where you can get one, or 6.

Rather than selecting your map switch hard/soft like taco shells, this thing dynamically rotates through 5 maps with imperceivable millisecond latency, based on TPS value. Do you understand how your TPS works? Voltage based percentage. If, for easy math example, your TPS is a 4V signal, 0V is 0% throttle. 2V would be 50% throttle, 4V would be 100% throttle. Most TPS are 3.5-5V signal, car or bike, doesn't matter. It's just a wheel with a lever that rotates on a gear when your throttle slide moves up and down, it's spinning that TPS rotor. On a EFI bike they just put it right on the throttle body plate. Carbs aren't roller barrel though.

So, those 5 maps can be set, for easy math example 0-20% is map 1, 21-40% is map 2, so on so forth. So you have good partial throttle maps, and WOT maps, and your bike knows which is which, while you're racing.

Try that shit with a map switch.

But what I can do, is set those percentage windows wherever I want. So, if for Map 1, I just want 0-5% for a real EFI-like crisp tip-in, I can. Then map 2 can be 6-40% or, whatever.

I can then datalog my TPS positions to see where I'm at most of the time. These are always funny to show people because most are surprised to find out how infrequently they see 100% TPS value.

The Powerjet function is a whole nother novel post. Maybe tomorrow.

Here are the basemaps I got, to start with. You can probably summize that I'll be sitting with a laptop between motos tinkering. Way out, in the back of a parking lot, inside a Sprinter, where I cant the bothered by people feigning interest in my bike just as an avenue to tell me about their piece of shit 450 with the rainbow titanium $300 motor mounts with zero R&D that are the dirtbike version of "The Emperors New Clothes" (It's easier to fool a man than to convince a man he's been fooled)










6
cdoggy81
Posts
1490
Joined
1/1/2018
Location
St. Petersburg, FL US
9/5/2020 2:21pm
Ah, got ya & thanks for the info 👍🏻 I didn’t realize it was more for that type of setup. I’ll stick with a Vortex if I can find an affordable one 😆
1
9/5/2020 5:39pm
Mine's bigger. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/09/05/448002/s1200_IMG_0257.jpg[/img]
Mine's bigger.


You must have like a 10mil 'shee
rwj500
Posts
130
Joined
5/29/2019
Location
GB
9/6/2020 1:46am
cdoggy81 wrote:
Enlighten us a little more about that HPI unit. Looks like it is customizable & programmable. How are the preloaded curves? Equal to the Vortex units...
Enlighten us a little more about that HPI unit.
Looks like it is customizable & programmable. How are the preloaded curves? Equal to the Vortex units? Price wise they seem to be a better buy. I would be interested in one as well for my modern yz if it was plug & play with an added boost of power right out of the box but then could fine tune it a bit with loading & adjusting custom maps/curves/etc.
You're going to want to stick with stock. Or maybe a Vortex. Vortex and this thing are wildly different target audiences. The Vortex is great for...
You're going to want to stick with stock. Or maybe a Vortex. Vortex and this thing are wildly different target audiences. The Vortex is great for a weekend guy, preloaded maps. The Vortex can store 10 maps. You can change between them with a screw driver, or if you buy a bar switch, you can pick two and flip flop. The basemaps are alright. Lots of people write better maps for them. Ron Wood, people like that. Bolt on horsepower.

The HPI is more or less a race team piece of equipment. Doesn't come with basemaps unless you know where you can get one, or 6.

Rather than selecting your map switch hard/soft like taco shells, this thing dynamically rotates through 5 maps with imperceivable millisecond latency, based on TPS value. Do you understand how your TPS works? Voltage based percentage. If, for easy math example, your TPS is a 4V signal, 0V is 0% throttle. 2V would be 50% throttle, 4V would be 100% throttle. Most TPS are 3.5-5V signal, car or bike, doesn't matter. It's just a wheel with a lever that rotates on a gear when your throttle slide moves up and down, it's spinning that TPS rotor. On a EFI bike they just put it right on the throttle body plate. Carbs aren't roller barrel though.

So, those 5 maps can be set, for easy math example 0-20% is map 1, 21-40% is map 2, so on so forth. So you have good partial throttle maps, and WOT maps, and your bike knows which is which, while you're racing.

Try that shit with a map switch.

But what I can do, is set those percentage windows wherever I want. So, if for Map 1, I just want 0-5% for a real EFI-like crisp tip-in, I can. Then map 2 can be 6-40% or, whatever.

I can then datalog my TPS positions to see where I'm at most of the time. These are always funny to show people because most are surprised to find out how infrequently they see 100% TPS value.

The Powerjet function is a whole nother novel post. Maybe tomorrow.

Here are the basemaps I got, to start with. You can probably summize that I'll be sitting with a laptop between motos tinkering. Way out, in the back of a parking lot, inside a Sprinter, where I cant the bothered by people feigning interest in my bike just as an avenue to tell me about their piece of shit 450 with the rainbow titanium $300 motor mounts with zero R&D that are the dirtbike version of "The Emperors New Clothes" (It's easier to fool a man than to convince a man he's been fooled)










There is a replica of that bike for sale. mx classics i think there name is kaltenberg , in germany
15tc150
Posts
403
Joined
4/21/2019
Location
CA
9/6/2020 7:21am
It's easier to fool a man than to convince a man he's been fooled)

You can lead a man to reason, but you can’t make him think.

I was wondering what the differences between the two really were between the vortex and hpi unit, I’ve also asked for a review between the two, so thanks for the clarity on that subject, vortex it is till I get my tuning legs (and buy a computer)

Also, did you get rid of the paint between the coil and it’s mounting terminals? That will cause weak spark issues, bolting threads are not even close to good enough contact for the coil, and any bike with a painted frame for that matter, if hasn’t been done, is leaving a lot of voltage off the table when it comes to hot firing spark
1
15tc150
Posts
403
Joined
4/21/2019
Location
CA
9/6/2020 7:42am
As well, I can find literally nothing on tecflow additives, a little bit, but nothing on if it’s available, and what exactly the properties are.

And apparently the bi tron xl2 is a pure petroleum based product, and it’s marketed as a metal treatment product.

https://www.koolcoatceramiccoatings.com/

This is who I have used previously for my pistons, side coatings, and ceramic top’s, it works really well, and they will coat just about any piston, the coolest part is when it comes time for a tear down, and you can take a rag and polish the oil build up off, and the top of the piston looks brand new.

http://www.microblueracing.com/

Another reaaaaaally cool company is microblue, I would love to get my hands on a set of ceramic bearings for my yz engine.
9/6/2020 7:49am
Precision grinded to bare metal and coated with dielectric grease for all the reasons listed on the tube. Shit spark throws jetting off bigly. I wonder if there is an automotive substitute for these probably relatively shitty coils we use. Would just need a spec sheet on it, then go cross referencing, and be ready to fabricate a mount. No problem, I can weld with an uncanny level of equivalent ugliness to the OEM welds.

15tc150
Posts
403
Joined
4/21/2019
Location
CA
9/6/2020 8:07am
Fucken amazing boyo, even the propper grease to stop oxidation if contacts! I did run a black ops racing high voltage coil in my 06, didnt notice any difference, but I think that was my own fault, in not knowing how much spark plug gap affects power output, I tried this on my 2015, the stock 0.6 gap the manual recommends, I can’t get over how crappy it made the bike pull, 0.7mm put a bit back on the table, but the stock 0.8mm gap on iridium plugs was awesome, then, burned an iridium out very quickly going to a 0.9mm gap. Looking back, hindsight is 2020.... I could have gone to that bigger gap without burning up a plug at 0.9mm with the higher voltage output. If the black ops coil actually did what it took. I think how it works, was a capacitor to hold onto a greater volume of electricity to call on when needed for discharge. When I first installed it, my bike wouldn’t fire, kicked it and kicked it and kept kicking and nothing, till a teeeny little fart a minute or two later, then a heavier fart, then it fired, and fired up easily. All I can think it would be, is the capacitor needed to be charged up, in order to actually reach operating voltage. When I sold that black ops coil, same thing happened to my buddy who bought it, wouldn’t start, so I figure the capacitor had dropped it’s charge, requiring it to be built back up again.



I can’t find their site anymore, but apparently mike Alessi used them in the past, that was their claim at least.
1
9/6/2020 9:32am
If I had the specs on what the coil needs to be as far as input/output voltage, ohms, ect, I could out together 5 of those for that price. I'm going to look into this. I'm still going to run an 8 plug but with a wide gap and a lot of compression so some extra voltage might be a good thing
15tc150
Posts
403
Joined
4/21/2019
Location
CA
9/6/2020 1:58pm
What pipe are you running, looks like it should offer ample top end gains
1
9/6/2020 2:00pm
15tc150 wrote:
What pipe are you running, looks like it should offer ample top end gains
Dynoport new for 2020 YZ360 profile. He has software to generate these.
2
GVNR_moto
Posts
3
Joined
7/3/2020
Location
Lakeville, MN US
9/6/2020 10:06pm
Just spent the last few hours trying to soak up as much knowledge as my young brain can take in. I appreciate these detailed threads so much, I love learning as much as I can. Going to be building a matching 91’ yz125 and 250 this winter, so I like finding things I can do to my builds to keep away from the normal “paint and graphics” builds. The 125 already has a full Noleen motor, so I’ll have to figure out some other ways of getting some more power out of it
5
9/7/2020 5:21am Edited Date/Time 9/7/2020 6:15am
GVNR_moto wrote:
Just spent the last few hours trying to soak up as much knowledge as my young brain can take in. I appreciate these detailed threads so...
Just spent the last few hours trying to soak up as much knowledge as my young brain can take in. I appreciate these detailed threads so much, I love learning as much as I can. Going to be building a matching 91’ yz125 and 250 this winter, so I like finding things I can do to my builds to keep away from the normal “paint and graphics” builds. The 125 already has a full Noleen motor, so I’ll have to figure out some other ways of getting some more power out of it
Doing anything to the motor other than freshening it will throw off port timing and squish. Focus on electronics and carburetion. That's where most of the power is anyway.

When MotoGP was 500 twostrokes, on a team like HRC, Rossi and Criville would have identical motor packages, similar ignition packages, and different jetting. On the same bike, on the same day, at the same track.

Get really good at understanding fuel circuitry, where they overlap, when you're "robbing Peter to pay Paul" (that'll make sense later on in your jetting life)

Then, here's the important part. When you get real good at this skill, hold it close. Because there is zero, zero reward
In making ungrateful idiots bikes runs better when the adjustment, like jetting is dynamically dependent on so many variables.

You're younger, so I'll bet you have peers your age who have this bad habit I'm starting to notice among people in this hobby. When they see something that is obviously modified, they are so disconnected from doing ANYTHING themselves, that they don't even ask how YOU did it...they ask WHO did it, as if to automatically insinuate you can't do it. Then, after about 5 or 6 "actually, I did" they think you're joking. I've never seen anything like this, socially, where a demographic swims in its own puddle of uselessness for so long, it just 100% depends on a demographic 25 years older to generate everything for them, except anime and amateur porn.

If you're young and you're getting ready to build those, go find 5 peers your age who don't have bikes, and recruit those fuckers as your crew, get em over in your garage and helping you. Take em to the track with you. Avoid the ones who have single moms, pale skin, who smell like vape juice. they're just going to buy Subarus, become forum moderators, and get poop on condoms eventually, anyway. They're lost.


12
9/7/2020 6:01am
rwj500 wrote:
There is a replica of that bike for sale. mx classics i think there name is kaltenberg , in germany
I've seen that bike, albeit somewhere else. I know the one you speak of.
9/8/2020 7:57am
GVNR_moto wrote:
Just spent the last few hours trying to soak up as much knowledge as my young brain can take in. I appreciate these detailed threads so...
Just spent the last few hours trying to soak up as much knowledge as my young brain can take in. I appreciate these detailed threads so much, I love learning as much as I can. Going to be building a matching 91’ yz125 and 250 this winter, so I like finding things I can do to my builds to keep away from the normal “paint and graphics” builds. The 125 already has a full Noleen motor, so I’ll have to figure out some other ways of getting some more power out of it
Doing anything to the motor other than freshening it will throw off port timing and squish. Focus on electronics and carburetion. That's where most of the...
Doing anything to the motor other than freshening it will throw off port timing and squish. Focus on electronics and carburetion. That's where most of the power is anyway.

When MotoGP was 500 twostrokes, on a team like HRC, Rossi and Criville would have identical motor packages, similar ignition packages, and different jetting. On the same bike, on the same day, at the same track.

Get really good at understanding fuel circuitry, where they overlap, when you're "robbing Peter to pay Paul" (that'll make sense later on in your jetting life)

Then, here's the important part. When you get real good at this skill, hold it close. Because there is zero, zero reward
In making ungrateful idiots bikes runs better when the adjustment, like jetting is dynamically dependent on so many variables.

You're younger, so I'll bet you have peers your age who have this bad habit I'm starting to notice among people in this hobby. When they see something that is obviously modified, they are so disconnected from doing ANYTHING themselves, that they don't even ask how YOU did it...they ask WHO did it, as if to automatically insinuate you can't do it. Then, after about 5 or 6 "actually, I did" they think you're joking. I've never seen anything like this, socially, where a demographic swims in its own puddle of uselessness for so long, it just 100% depends on a demographic 25 years older to generate everything for them, except anime and amateur porn.

If you're young and you're getting ready to build those, go find 5 peers your age who don't have bikes, and recruit those fuckers as your crew, get em over in your garage and helping you. Take em to the track with you. Avoid the ones who have single moms, pale skin, who smell like vape juice. they're just going to buy Subarus, become forum moderators, and get poop on condoms eventually, anyway. They're lost.


As a 19 year old I definitely see this in most kids I went to school with and know now. I was the only one in my friend group who had to have a job to pay for his vehicle, gas, and other hobbies while my friends just waited for mom and dad to pay the bills.

It’s sad, I used to work my ass off after class just to be able to spend my money to go ride on the weekend. Those weekends meant so much to me because I was out being active, hanging out with my friends, and learning to appreciate dirt bikes that much more. I feel like even though I was never super fast or anything I still accomplished a lot for my age. I learned that when you do it yourself and make sacrifices to do what you enjoy it makes you cherish what you have done much more.

I like these quotes from an MXA article

“For most of the men racing in the Vet class there is always a moment when they think back to 30 years ago when they were 18-years-old and had scraped up enough money to buy a used RM125 two-stroke. They fondly remember the joy of working on it, jetting it, changing the fork oil and racing it with the reckless abandon that is normally only reserved for a night on the town with Charlie Sheen”

“Motocross racing is lost on the young. There is nothing sadder than some 12-year-old minicycle racer showing up at the races with a bevy of bikes, a 54-foot motor coach and a middle-aged dad sweating in the sun. For this picture to come into proper focus, Junior needs to be sitting in the motor home playing “Fortnite” for the tenth straight hour, while dad gets dressed for his moto. If Junior wants to race, he can get a paper route and pay for it himself.”
5
GVNR_moto
Posts
3
Joined
7/3/2020
Location
Lakeville, MN US
9/8/2020 8:09am
Rickyisms wrote:
As a 19 year old I definitely see this in most kids I went to school with and know now. I was the only one in...
As a 19 year old I definitely see this in most kids I went to school with and know now. I was the only one in my friend group who had to have a job to pay for his vehicle, gas, and other hobbies while my friends just waited for mom and dad to pay the bills.

It’s sad, I used to work my ass off after class just to be able to spend my money to go ride on the weekend. Those weekends meant so much to me because I was out being active, hanging out with my friends, and learning to appreciate dirt bikes that much more. I feel like even though I was never super fast or anything I still accomplished a lot for my age. I learned that when you do it yourself and make sacrifices to do what you enjoy it makes you cherish what you have done much more.

I like these quotes from an MXA article

“For most of the men racing in the Vet class there is always a moment when they think back to 30 years ago when they were 18-years-old and had scraped up enough money to buy a used RM125 two-stroke. They fondly remember the joy of working on it, jetting it, changing the fork oil and racing it with the reckless abandon that is normally only reserved for a night on the town with Charlie Sheen”

“Motocross racing is lost on the young. There is nothing sadder than some 12-year-old minicycle racer showing up at the races with a bevy of bikes, a 54-foot motor coach and a middle-aged dad sweating in the sun. For this picture to come into proper focus, Junior needs to be sitting in the motor home playing “Fortnite” for the tenth straight hour, while dad gets dressed for his moto. If Junior wants to race, he can get a paper route and pay for it himself.”
I’m 20, and have been working full time over the summer since I was 14, and working part time after school so I could pay my way through racing. I feel I’m one of the only kids at the track that doesn’t have mom and dad paying for everything. In some cases that would be so nice, but I feel I’ve learned to appreciate everything so much more working for my own stuff
4
bh
Posts
949
Joined
12/25/2016
Location
Piedmont, SC US
9/8/2020 11:31am
Rickyisms wrote:
As a 19 year old I definitely see this in most kids I went to school with and know now. I was the only one in...
As a 19 year old I definitely see this in most kids I went to school with and know now. I was the only one in my friend group who had to have a job to pay for his vehicle, gas, and other hobbies while my friends just waited for mom and dad to pay the bills.

It’s sad, I used to work my ass off after class just to be able to spend my money to go ride on the weekend. Those weekends meant so much to me because I was out being active, hanging out with my friends, and learning to appreciate dirt bikes that much more. I feel like even though I was never super fast or anything I still accomplished a lot for my age. I learned that when you do it yourself and make sacrifices to do what you enjoy it makes you cherish what you have done much more.

I like these quotes from an MXA article

“For most of the men racing in the Vet class there is always a moment when they think back to 30 years ago when they were 18-years-old and had scraped up enough money to buy a used RM125 two-stroke. They fondly remember the joy of working on it, jetting it, changing the fork oil and racing it with the reckless abandon that is normally only reserved for a night on the town with Charlie Sheen”

“Motocross racing is lost on the young. There is nothing sadder than some 12-year-old minicycle racer showing up at the races with a bevy of bikes, a 54-foot motor coach and a middle-aged dad sweating in the sun. For this picture to come into proper focus, Junior needs to be sitting in the motor home playing “Fortnite” for the tenth straight hour, while dad gets dressed for his moto. If Junior wants to race, he can get a paper route and pay for it himself.”
GVNR_moto wrote:
I’m 20, and have been working full time over the summer since I was 14, and working part time after school so I could pay my...
I’m 20, and have been working full time over the summer since I was 14, and working part time after school so I could pay my way through racing. I feel I’m one of the only kids at the track that doesn’t have mom and dad paying for everything. In some cases that would be so nice, but I feel I’ve learned to appreciate everything so much more working for my own stuff
18 here bout the same situation as you guys except I can’t work during school, just too much for me. For as long as I’ve been in the sport I’ve done 99.9 percent of my own bike work (the 0.1 percent is the occasional thing I have my dad weld for me lol). But it does really make you appreciate stuff and take better care of it.
1

Post a reply to: Works Ohlins Yamaha YZ360 doesn't meet minimum friend requirement for Farleigh

The Latest