Star Racing has me embarrassed to own a Yamaha

6/23/2020 10:45pm
I’ll pitch in $20 so we can get you some star racing replica graphics.
I'm thinking to keep everyone happy is to run Geico Honda graphics on that Yamaha. For $20 im in.
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6/23/2020 10:49pm
That makes you embarrassed to own a Yamaha? That ain't nothing. Check this out: [img]https://i0.wp.com/livemotocross.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Untitled-design-1.jpg[/img]
That makes you embarrassed to own a Yamaha?

That ain't nothing. Check this out:

Aaagh...the Biebette rides a Yamaha...my final offer is now $80 (Zimbabwean dollazz)
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Couldn’t find a thread about the latest pulp show so here I am. Listening to Sexton on Pulp mentioning the shit that Star Racing was trying...
Couldn’t find a thread about the latest pulp show so here I am. Listening to Sexton on Pulp mentioning the shit that Star Racing was trying at SLC has me embarrassed to own a Yamaha.

The SwapMoto/Pulp thing was unprofessional but funny in a way, but then we move onto the riders messing with Chase all day before the finale, taking Chase’s gate before the main, and then protesting his fuel after he’s won the championship.

All these things point to a toxic culture in the team, to throw your toy out of the pram after the season was won and done is disgusting.

Who makes these sort of calls or has such a negative influence on a team to make it act this way? Is it one person in particular that puts on this sort of display as a team? I had a friend yesterday say something like “well you own a Yamaha you must be all for that sort of shit”
I’m pretty brand loyal and came into the sport when MC’s factory Yamaha was the holy grail, so to have a team represent the brand in a childish way is embarrassing. I’m frickin glad McElrath had nothing for Chase.

/rant
Wtf does Yamaha have to with that shit?
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6/23/2020 11:11pm
So Geico is (my opinion based upon experience) one of the worst and most dishonest insurance companies I worked with in my 50 years in the auto repair industry. I guess everyone should sell their Hondas.
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6/23/2020 11:38pm
Can’t help but notice that I haven’t seen Jeremy Martin pitting out the back of the Geico rig under an EZ-Up away from the rest of the team Whistling

I’d be a little embarrassed to own a Yamaha too but this situation would just be coincidental.
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6/23/2020 11:45pm
That makes you embarrassed to own a Yamaha? That ain't nothing. Check this out: [img]https://i0.wp.com/livemotocross.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Untitled-design-1.jpg[/img]
That makes you embarrassed to own a Yamaha?

That ain't nothing. Check this out:

I think beiber riding one is actually kinda cool.
Can’t hate beibz these days, he is one of the richest, best looking dudes on the planet, could literally have almost any girl in the world..
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6/24/2020 12:32am Edited Date/Time 6/24/2020 12:35am
I'm not embarrassed to own a Yamaha because of Star but i will say that it's difficult to root for their team and riders.

Ferrandis is an exception, i've been a fan ever since his GP days. The rest of the team? Not a fan at all. I had no problems with Nichols before the previous round but the move on Sexton changed that.
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6/24/2020 1:42am
They certainly seem to be like school in summer-time... wonder how long Wilbur lasts there.
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6/24/2020 3:30am
Yamaha helped pulp raise money for privateers and They still make 2 strokes. That’s good enough for me.

Star racing or who ever calls the shots there sounds like the problem.

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Yamaha helped pulp raise money for privateers and They still make 2 strokes. That’s good enough for me. Star racing or who ever calls the shots...
Yamaha helped pulp raise money for privateers and They still make 2 strokes. That’s good enough for me.

Star racing or who ever calls the shots there sounds like the problem.

This, I absolutely agree with. Just finished listening to the rest of the show and geez, was it 50 odd grand they come up with? Amazing.

While this restores faith in ol’ Blue, no one seems to be able to answer the question of if they actually think Yamaha are happy with the way Star is portraying their brand? Sans condescension please.
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Pretty difficult to be a fan of that team as an outsider and regular fan.

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6/24/2020 4:11am
KTM doesn’t pull this shit.
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tobz wrote:
Couldn’t find a thread about the latest pulp show so here I am. Listening to Sexton on Pulp mentioning the shit that Star Racing was trying...
Couldn’t find a thread about the latest pulp show so here I am. Listening to Sexton on Pulp mentioning the shit that Star Racing was trying at SLC has me embarrassed to own a Yamaha.

The SwapMoto/Pulp thing was unprofessional but funny in a way, but then we move onto the riders messing with Chase all day before the finale, taking Chase’s gate before the main, and then protesting his fuel after he’s won the championship.

All these things point to a toxic culture in the team, to throw your toy out of the pram after the season was won and done is disgusting.

Who makes these sort of calls or has such a negative influence on a team to make it act this way? Is it one person in particular that puts on this sort of display as a team? I had a friend yesterday say something like “well you own a Yamaha you must be all for that sort of shit”
I’m pretty brand loyal and came into the sport when MC’s factory Yamaha was the holy grail, so to have a team represent the brand in a childish way is embarrassing. I’m frickin glad McElrath had nothing for Chase.

/rant
My initial reaction is that you're friend is an asshole, and you should tell him so.

My second reaction is that you need to relax and not take this stuff so personally. It's just racing. You're not a team sponsor or anything like that.

This is like saying you refuse to own a Mercedes Benz because Hammy and Bottas engage in team tactics. They all do.

There's team tactics in moto, may not be as blatant or obvious, but when it gets down to a close points chase at the final round, every team has, does, or will engage in team tactics. This isn't new or unique to Geico or Star.

Yamaha Japan, where your bike came from, has nothing to do with the day to day operations of Star Racing or race day tactics. Yamaha's instructions? "Win. Bring us back the title."

Think of it this way, if a team, ANY team, did not try every single idea or tactic possible to win a championship when it's all on the line, without cheating, did they do everything they could do to win that championship?
Not really.

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6/24/2020 4:20am
I think its a chickenshit move to protest fuel when they have mini 450's essentially.



Lets say they won the protest, is that really how you want to win a championship?

Sexton was just faster that day.
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Appreciate the thoughtful response EngIceDave. Fair points. I guess it’s an interpretation of team tactics, I have absolutely no problem with hard racing out on the track. But the gate stealing and petty fuel protest is just that, petty.

No dramas with relaxing here, it was a rant that I thought would cast more thought on who actually makes these calls at Star that casts this sort of reputation of a team that people find hard to root for. I love the bike, still love the brand, but I hate that Star are representing it in a petty, childish way.
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6/24/2020 4:32am
nytsmaC wrote:
Can’t help but notice that I haven’t seen Jeremy Martin pitting out the back of the Geico rig under an EZ-Up away from the rest of...
Can’t help but notice that I haven’t seen Jeremy Martin pitting out the back of the Geico rig under an EZ-Up away from the rest of the team Whistling

I’d be a little embarrassed to own a Yamaha too but this situation would just be coincidental.
Haven’t seen him winning either
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6/24/2020 4:33am
Such a weird mentality that you and you friend have. I assume you bought the dirt bike the best suits your needs or riding style. What a pro racer or team does, has no correlation to that (or shouldn't.) Your friend assuming you support bad sportsmanship because of the motorcycle brand you own is beyond idiotic. You feeling connected to the situation because of the brand you own is equally stupid (no offense.)

When I am at the track, there are as many blue bikes as any brand. Do you honestly think that anyone there is looking at a rider on a Yamaha and thinks less of them, because of some questionable team tactics from a pro team? It ain't that real, bro. Lol.
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6/24/2020 4:39am
I think its a chickenshit move to protest fuel when they have mini 450's essentially. Lets say they won the protest, is that really how you...
I think its a chickenshit move to protest fuel when they have mini 450's essentially.



Lets say they won the protest, is that really how you want to win a championship?

Sexton was just faster that day.
A mini 450? Absolutely not. They have simply extracted the most out of their engines whilst maintaining reliability.

PC had a long run at delivering great engines now Star has found something you lable it a mini 450. That is a awesome compliment to the Star engine guys.

As Dave said above, there will be tactics and there are rules and regulations in place to facilitate protests. Absolutely nothing out of the norm with protesting.

Like I said before, Star ain't gonna pull a reason to protest out of their arse.
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6/24/2020 4:43am
I like my yz450, but the shit star pulled was some bullshit.
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I think its a chickenshit move to protest fuel when they have mini 450's essentially. Lets say they won the protest, is that really how you...
I think its a chickenshit move to protest fuel when they have mini 450's essentially.



Lets say they won the protest, is that really how you want to win a championship?

Sexton was just faster that day.
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A mini 450? Absolutely not. They have simply extracted the most out of their engines whilst maintaining reliability. PC had a long run at delivering great...
A mini 450? Absolutely not. They have simply extracted the most out of their engines whilst maintaining reliability.

PC had a long run at delivering great engines now Star has found something you lable it a mini 450. That is a awesome compliment to the Star engine guys.

As Dave said above, there will be tactics and there are rules and regulations in place to facilitate protests. Absolutely nothing out of the norm with protesting.

Like I said before, Star ain't gonna pull a reason to protest out of their arse.
To be fair even the stock YZ250F has been labeled a 'mini 450' by numerous testing sources. Mainly because it has a really strong low-end and doesn't need to be screaming to make power, like some of the other brands. And Star is known to have the best 250F engines/bikes currently, so really nothing wrong with that guy's post.
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AH387 wrote:
Such a weird mentality that you and you friend have. I assume you bought the dirt bike the best suits your needs or riding style. What...
Such a weird mentality that you and you friend have. I assume you bought the dirt bike the best suits your needs or riding style. What a pro racer or team does, has no correlation to that (or shouldn't.) Your friend assuming you support bad sportsmanship because of the motorcycle brand you own is beyond idiotic. You feeling connected to the situation because of the brand you own is equally stupid (no offense.)

When I am at the track, there are as many blue bikes as any brand. Do you honestly think that anyone there is looking at a rider on a Yamaha and thinks less of them, because of some questionable team tactics from a pro team? It ain't that real, bro. Lol.
No offence taken, I can see the point your trying to make, see my response above to EngIceDave,

“ it was a rant that I thought would cast more thought on who actually makes these calls at Star that casts this sort of reputation of a team that people find hard to root for. I love the bike, still love the brand, but I hate that Star are representing it in a petty, childish way”

but 2 questions for you:

Why bother with sponsors or professional racing if none of it Really matters?

Why do sponsors often pull their support from sportsmen when they get caught doing shit that is deemed socially unacceptable?
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6/24/2020 4:49am
I like my yz450, but the shit star pulled was some bullshit.
I probably should have just posted this as my OP Grinning summed my thoughts up in a much simpler manner Grinning love the motor on my 250f, the thing is unreal.
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6/24/2020 4:50am Edited Date/Time 6/24/2020 4:57am
tobz wrote:
Appreciate the thoughtful response EngIceDave. Fair points. I guess it’s an interpretation of team tactics, I have absolutely no problem with hard racing out on the...
Appreciate the thoughtful response EngIceDave. Fair points. I guess it’s an interpretation of team tactics, I have absolutely no problem with hard racing out on the track. But the gate stealing and petty fuel protest is just that, petty.

No dramas with relaxing here, it was a rant that I thought would cast more thought on who actually makes these calls at Star that casts this sort of reputation of a team that people find hard to root for. I love the bike, still love the brand, but I hate that Star are representing it in a petty, childish way.
I don't know or claim to know anything about why the fuel was protested.
I also have no involvement with either team

That said, if someone believes a competitor is cheating, regardless of what it is, they have, as per the rules, the right to file a protest.

Are there varying degrees of cheating? Is one type of cheating, though against the rules, acceptable?
Or is cheating, cheating?

Think of it like this, go ask your wife if you can finger bang the woman at work, because it's not cheating, you didn't actually screw the woman. Hell, your penis even stayed in your pants.

What do you think she's going to say?

In my mind, there isn't "a little cheating" and a "lot of cheating"
Cheating is, cheating.

Whether its fuel, bore or weight (much of which seems to be rarely even checked any more), if it doesn't meet the rules outlined in the rulebook, it's cheating.
That's me, I get that. That is how I see it.
Every other racing organization has DQd racers or teams for fuel infractions, and if the racing org isn't taking it upon themselves to do the testing on their own, and you have the right to question it, why not ask (protest) something if you feel its no right?

Also, if my gate pick is before yours, because I out-qualified you, I can pick whatever gate I want. And from my understanding of the rules, I don't have to choose the same gate every time and you can't "save" a gate before I choose mine.

If you don't dig head games like that, you really would've hated Bob Hannah and a few of those guys back then
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No offence taken, I can see the point your trying to make, see my response above to EngIceDave, “ it was a rant that I thought...
No offence taken, I can see the point your trying to make, see my response above to EngIceDave,

“ it was a rant that I thought would cast more thought on who actually makes these calls at Star that casts this sort of reputation of a team that people find hard to root for. I love the bike, still love the brand, but I hate that Star are representing it in a petty, childish way”

but 2 questions for you:

Why bother with sponsors or professional racing if none of it Really matters?

Why do sponsors often pull their support from sportsmen when they get caught doing shit that is deemed socially unacceptable?
I don't think anyone can fault you for liking your bike and being brand loyal, but also disagreeing with something that the team does.

As far as your questions, I sorta see what you mean but I don't think it's quite on that level. Sponsors are on the bikes for exposure. No sponsor is going to pull support because of anything that just happened. They want to see their bike win. I would say even if a team was doing something unacceptable on a much larger scale (I have no idea what that could be) then to me, it still doesn't change whether I ride or buy that brand. I'm sure if it was bad enough, that manager would be fired or there would be some kind of punishment to the people involved. So again, 1 team/ guy / instance doesn't define a brand, in my opinion.
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I'm going to protest by tearing down all the Yamaha statues I see.

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6/24/2020 5:19am Edited Date/Time 6/24/2020 5:20am
I am so pissed I am selling my yamaha.....piano......

Seriously though....

Did people get "triggered" like this before the internet?
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6/24/2020 5:32am Edited Date/Time 6/24/2020 8:20am
JustMX wrote:
I am so pissed I am selling my yamaha.....piano......

Seriously though....

Did people get "triggered" like this before the internet?
Dude. -- We went to war over a pig. The civil rights movement was knowingly launched over a bus seat.

If there is one thing humans have always done, it's getting worked up over trivialities.
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I wish I had one to sell

Can I guy yours for a dollar and sell back to you in protest?

I guess with depreciation, how about $.50?

Deal?
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6/24/2020 5:36am
After listening to the Pulp show I smashed my daughter's favorite acoustic guitar. #noregerts
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That makes you embarrassed to own a Yamaha? That ain't nothing. Check this out: [img]https://i0.wp.com/livemotocross.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Untitled-design-1.jpg[/img]
That makes you embarrassed to own a Yamaha?

That ain't nothing. Check this out:

I think beiber riding one is actually kinda cool. Can’t hate beibz these days, he is one of the richest, best looking dudes on the planet...
I think beiber riding one is actually kinda cool.
Can’t hate beibz these days, he is one of the richest, best looking dudes on the planet, could literally have almost any girl in the world..
Psstttt.... You forgot to say "No Homo"...
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