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They have an ex champion doing testing for the outdoors looking for things to try and improve the YZF 450 and he knows a thing or 2 about setting up bikes and has a few titles to prove it. Its not even sure if there is an outdoor series yet.
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Nothing is stopping the other manufacturers to do the same and support more 450 teams. They all have deeper pockets than KTM. In my opinion Honda...
Nothing is stopping the other manufacturers to do the same and support more 450 teams.

They all have deeper pockets than KTM.

In my opinion Honda or Kawasaki should support a RMATVMC type of effort. It would create at least 2 more seats for 250 riders to move up.
100% agree. Suzuki has gotten a lot of exposure thanks to the HEP team. More so than JGR I would argue.
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100% agree. Suzuki has gotten a lot of exposure thanks to the HEP team. More so than JGR I would argue.
You’d probably be the only person on that side of the argument. Grinning

Think of the JGR Suzuki roster...

Barcia
Peick
Reed
Savatgy
Noren
A. Martin
Decotis
Peters

Those are all popular names.
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Interesting dialogue on Barcia and the Yamaha. I know the bike has more ability than I could ever use and would never restrict my finishes. Barcia has the talent to run up front with the fastest guys. He seems to lack the focus on the task at hand. Constantly see him get caught by a faster rider and then turn up the pace for a bit. He typically cedes the position and drops off that pace until the scenario repeats its place. The irony of this is on the occasion he is relegated to the back of the pack at the start, he manages to move forward typically to the top 10 or even top 5. He has the speed. The bike has the speed. Once he starts trying to play games, he tends to lose.

Additionally, sponsors are looking for a package. On/off the track. While Barcia can be civil and polite, he has too many moments that he fails. What comes to mind is when he passed Webb at an outdoor race and took the time to turn around and flip him off over a jump. No need for that during a race or especially to a team mate. He doesn't have to like his team mate, but a sponsor would expect better of him.

Lastly is his age. He turned 28 in March and Father time is not on his side. With the outdoors looming, he will need to be focused t to keep pace with Tomac, Webb, Musquin, Anderson, Ozzy and Adam C. He has his work cut out for the next series for sure.

Can he do it? You bet he can. Will he is the question that remains to answered.
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You’d probably be the only person on that side of the argument. :lol: Think of the JGR Suzuki roster... Barcia Peick Reed Savatgy Noren A. Martin...
You’d probably be the only person on that side of the argument. Grinning

Think of the JGR Suzuki roster...

Barcia
Peick
Reed
Savatgy
Noren
A. Martin
Decotis
Peters

Those are all popular names.
This year HEP has had the boys all over the TV. Previous years? Sure, JGR has the coverage. Not this year though.
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Interesting dialogue on Barcia and the Yamaha. I know the bike has more ability than I could ever use and would never restrict my finishes. Barcia...
Interesting dialogue on Barcia and the Yamaha. I know the bike has more ability than I could ever use and would never restrict my finishes. Barcia has the talent to run up front with the fastest guys. He seems to lack the focus on the task at hand. Constantly see him get caught by a faster rider and then turn up the pace for a bit. He typically cedes the position and drops off that pace until the scenario repeats its place. The irony of this is on the occasion he is relegated to the back of the pack at the start, he manages to move forward typically to the top 10 or even top 5. He has the speed. The bike has the speed. Once he starts trying to play games, he tends to lose.

Additionally, sponsors are looking for a package. On/off the track. While Barcia can be civil and polite, he has too many moments that he fails. What comes to mind is when he passed Webb at an outdoor race and took the time to turn around and flip him off over a jump. No need for that during a race or especially to a team mate. He doesn't have to like his team mate, but a sponsor would expect better of him.

Lastly is his age. He turned 28 in March and Father time is not on his side. With the outdoors looming, he will need to be focused t to keep pace with Tomac, Webb, Musquin, Anderson, Ozzy and Adam C. He has his work cut out for the next series for sure.

Can he do it? You bet he can. Will he is the question that remains to answered.
I’m of the opinion that the championship age is moving up honestly. Lots of guys are staying in the class longer, Tomac isn’t much younger than barcia and I bet he has 1 or 2 more in him if he chooses to stay racing.
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aeffertz wrote:
You’d probably be the only person on that side of the argument. :lol: Think of the JGR Suzuki roster... Barcia Peick Reed Savatgy Noren A. Martin...
You’d probably be the only person on that side of the argument. Grinning

Think of the JGR Suzuki roster...

Barcia
Peick
Reed
Savatgy
Noren
A. Martin
Decotis
Peters

Those are all popular names.
I agree with Zycki.

HEP got plenty of TV time. Sure it was in the LCQ most of the time, but that's good exposure for the brand.

The return on investment with HEP vs JGR, I'd say they're getting a great return with HEP. JGR, not so much.

I still think JGR is cursed. Grinning
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who wants to see ferrandis ride the 450 yamaha?
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I'm sure DF will be fast on a Yamaha 450. The bike is good but not were it should be to compete consistently for the podium...
I'm sure DF will be fast on a Yamaha 450. The bike is good but not were it should be to compete consistently for the podium.

Something to do with the chassis / engine position is off. I stand to be corrected.

Nobody is fast on the YZ450. Barcia has had a scant few good results. Overall the bike is a dud. Yamaha probably pays pretty good to ride that turd, but if you want a championship it's not the place to be obviously.
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I’d just like to point out the CRF450 has never won a Supercross title...
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I’d just like to point out the CRF450 has never won a Supercross title...
That is obviously because something to do with the chassis / engine position is off. I stand to be corrected.
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I’d just like to point out the CRF450 has never won a Supercross title...
Damn.

That's just mean, man.

Laughing
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Zycki11 wrote:
100% agree. Suzuki has gotten a lot of exposure thanks to the HEP team. More so than JGR I would argue.
aeffertz wrote:
You’d probably be the only person on that side of the argument. :lol: Think of the JGR Suzuki roster... Barcia Peick Reed Savatgy Noren A. Martin...
You’d probably be the only person on that side of the argument. Grinning

Think of the JGR Suzuki roster...

Barcia
Peick
Reed
Savatgy
Noren
A. Martin
Decotis
Peters

Those are all popular names.
And none of them did squat..........................................How can such a well funded a team produce such dismal results year after year?
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
I’d just like to point out the CRF450 has never won a Supercross title...
RC's perfect season outdoors in 2004, on the CRF 450 is probably more wins than the YZF has ever had in the US.
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Zycki11 wrote:
100% agree. Suzuki has gotten a lot of exposure thanks to the HEP team. More so than JGR I would argue.
aeffertz wrote:
You’d probably be the only person on that side of the argument. :lol: Think of the JGR Suzuki roster... Barcia Peick Reed Savatgy Noren A. Martin...
You’d probably be the only person on that side of the argument. Grinning

Think of the JGR Suzuki roster...

Barcia
Peick
Reed
Savatgy
Noren
A. Martin
Decotis
Peters

Those are all popular names.
deluxeman wrote:
And none of them did squat..........................................How can such a well funded a team produce such dismal results year after year?
I guess my point is... If Suzuki could only put their eggs in one basket next year. Should they put it in the JGR basket or the HEP basket? Doesn’t the answer of that show which team is more valuable?
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RC's perfect season outdoors in 2004, on the CRF 450 is probably more wins than the YZF has ever had in the US.
RC would have won on the YZ
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BikeGuy321 wrote:
RC's perfect season outdoors in 2004, on the CRF 450 is probably more wins than the YZF has ever had in the US.
Zycki11 wrote:
RC would have won on the YZ
RC would have won on a Stacyc
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Interesting dialogue on Barcia and the Yamaha. I know the bike has more ability than I could ever use and would never restrict my finishes. Barcia...
Interesting dialogue on Barcia and the Yamaha. I know the bike has more ability than I could ever use and would never restrict my finishes. Barcia has the talent to run up front with the fastest guys. He seems to lack the focus on the task at hand. Constantly see him get caught by a faster rider and then turn up the pace for a bit. He typically cedes the position and drops off that pace until the scenario repeats its place. The irony of this is on the occasion he is relegated to the back of the pack at the start, he manages to move forward typically to the top 10 or even top 5. He has the speed. The bike has the speed. Once he starts trying to play games, he tends to lose.

Additionally, sponsors are looking for a package. On/off the track. While Barcia can be civil and polite, he has too many moments that he fails. What comes to mind is when he passed Webb at an outdoor race and took the time to turn around and flip him off over a jump. No need for that during a race or especially to a team mate. He doesn't have to like his team mate, but a sponsor would expect better of him.

Lastly is his age. He turned 28 in March and Father time is not on his side. With the outdoors looming, he will need to be focused t to keep pace with Tomac, Webb, Musquin, Anderson, Ozzy and Adam C. He has his work cut out for the next series for sure.

Can he do it? You bet he can. Will he is the question that remains to answered.
If he was going to, he had his chance when RV and Dungey quit, and Kenny missed 2 seasons.. he didn't step up then, and he isn't going to now.. the ' I know I can do it' actually requires you to do it at some point . He has wins to keep people interested, but over a season he needs to be better. Better younger faster cheaper guys on the way up.
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I think regardless of where he ends up next year he’s probably going to take a bit of a pay cut. I think his own attitude has a lot to do with it.
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I hope he finds a solid team. There are some great bikes out there.... It's not like it used to be where the factory bikes were noticeably better.

A few years back, when Barcia and Tomac were constantly at it on 250's, I thought Barcia had a slight edge. A good friend was a huge fan of Barcia, so I started rooting for Eli just to keep it interesting... My how things have changed.

I think we need to figure how how to get him on this... Even if it has red GasGas plastic. Smile


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Johnny Ringo wrote:
I’d just like to point out the CRF450 has never won a Supercross title...
BikeGuy321 wrote:
RC's perfect season outdoors in 2004, on the CRF 450 is probably more wins than the YZF has ever had in the US.
I said Supercross Bro Beans
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
I’d just like to point out the CRF450 has never won a Supercross title...
BikeGuy321 wrote:
RC's perfect season outdoors in 2004, on the CRF 450 is probably more wins than the YZF has ever had in the US.
Johnny Ringo wrote:
I said Supercross Bro Beans
I'm talking wins period, Supercross or outdoors. I doubt in all the years they've been racing it, that Yamaha has 24 wins in the US on the 450.

The fact is, no rider has ever been dominant on the YZ450 in the US. Roczen and RC were dominant on the Suzuki, Dungey was for KTM, Villopoto and Tomac for Kawi, RC on the Honda. The YZ has never been the bike to beat at the factory level, except in the motor department.
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BikeGuy321 wrote:
RC's perfect season outdoors in 2004, on the CRF 450 is probably more wins than the YZF has ever had in the US.
Johnny Ringo wrote:
I said Supercross Bro Beans
BikeGuy321 wrote:
I'm talking wins period, Supercross or outdoors. I doubt in all the years they've been racing it, that Yamaha has 24 wins in the US on...
I'm talking wins period, Supercross or outdoors. I doubt in all the years they've been racing it, that Yamaha has 24 wins in the US on the 450.

The fact is, no rider has ever been dominant on the YZ450 in the US. Roczen and RC were dominant on the Suzuki, Dungey was for KTM, Villopoto and Tomac for Kawi, RC on the Honda. The YZ has never been the bike to beat at the factory level, except in the motor department.
Stew was pretty good on it in 09, Chad was pretty good on it in 08, I’d guess that’s close to 20 wins right there. Both ended in SX titles, of which The Honda has none.

These are a few generations ago but the CRF is approaching 20 years of existence with nothing really to show for it.

Good try though, B for effort
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BikeGuy321 wrote:
RC's perfect season outdoors in 2004, on the CRF 450 is probably more wins than the YZF has ever had in the US.
Johnny Ringo wrote:
I said Supercross Bro Beans
BikeGuy321 wrote:
I'm talking wins period, Supercross or outdoors. I doubt in all the years they've been racing it, that Yamaha has 24 wins in the US on...
I'm talking wins period, Supercross or outdoors. I doubt in all the years they've been racing it, that Yamaha has 24 wins in the US on the 450.

The fact is, no rider has ever been dominant on the YZ450 in the US. Roczen and RC were dominant on the Suzuki, Dungey was for KTM, Villopoto and Tomac for Kawi, RC on the Honda. The YZ has never been the bike to beat at the factory level, except in the motor department.
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BikeGuy321 wrote:
RC's perfect season outdoors in 2004, on the CRF 450 is probably more wins than the YZF has ever had in the US.
Johnny Ringo wrote:
I said Supercross Bro Beans
BikeGuy321 wrote:
I'm talking wins period, Supercross or outdoors. I doubt in all the years they've been racing it, that Yamaha has 24 wins in the US on...
I'm talking wins period, Supercross or outdoors. I doubt in all the years they've been racing it, that Yamaha has 24 wins in the US on the 450.

The fact is, no rider has ever been dominant on the YZ450 in the US. Roczen and RC were dominant on the Suzuki, Dungey was for KTM, Villopoto and Tomac for Kawi, RC on the Honda. The YZ has never been the bike to beat at the factory level, except in the motor department.

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Johnny Ringo wrote:
I’d just like to point out the CRF450 has never won a Supercross title...
BikeGuy321 wrote:
RC's perfect season outdoors in 2004, on the CRF 450 is probably more wins than the YZF has ever had in the US.
RC could have won on a friggin TM400 for christ sake. He was winning SXs on tha stiff ass framed CR250 with the handlebars in his lap and a terrible setup.
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
I said Supercross Bro Beans
BikeGuy321 wrote:
I'm talking wins period, Supercross or outdoors. I doubt in all the years they've been racing it, that Yamaha has 24 wins in the US on...
I'm talking wins period, Supercross or outdoors. I doubt in all the years they've been racing it, that Yamaha has 24 wins in the US on the 450.

The fact is, no rider has ever been dominant on the YZ450 in the US. Roczen and RC were dominant on the Suzuki, Dungey was for KTM, Villopoto and Tomac for Kawi, RC on the Honda. The YZ has never been the bike to beat at the factory level, except in the motor department.
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Stew was pretty good on it in 09, Chad was pretty good on it in 08, I’d guess that’s close to 20 wins right there. Both...
Stew was pretty good on it in 09, Chad was pretty good on it in 08, I’d guess that’s close to 20 wins right there. Both ended in SX titles, of which The Honda has none.

These are a few generations ago but the CRF is approaching 20 years of existence with nothing really to show for it.

Good try though, B for effort
"Nothing really to show for it" Sounds like Yamaha with Langston (450 Motocross) and Heath Voss (Obscure World Supercross title) the only guys to win a title on the bike. And nobody really remembers those championships.

The 450 Honda won EVERYTHING at the local level for a lot of years.

Anyways, we'll have to agree to disagree on this random side argument. The Kawasaki and KTM are the bikes to be on right now for the top guys.
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I’ve said this before but Yamaha needs to bring back a modern version of the 2009, or something like it. Do something bold, go back to a steel frame .....
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"Nothing really to show for it" Sounds like Yamaha with Langston (450 Motocross) and Heath Voss (Obscure World Supercross title) the only guys to win a...
"Nothing really to show for it" Sounds like Yamaha with Langston (450 Motocross) and Heath Voss (Obscure World Supercross title) the only guys to win a title on the bike. And nobody really remembers those championships.

The 450 Honda won EVERYTHING at the local level for a lot of years.

Anyways, we'll have to agree to disagree on this random side argument. The Kawasaki and KTM are the bikes to be on right now for the top guys.
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Interesting dialogue on Barcia and the Yamaha. I know the bike has more ability than I could ever use and would never restrict my finishes. Barcia...
Interesting dialogue on Barcia and the Yamaha. I know the bike has more ability than I could ever use and would never restrict my finishes. Barcia has the talent to run up front with the fastest guys. He seems to lack the focus on the task at hand. Constantly see him get caught by a faster rider and then turn up the pace for a bit. He typically cedes the position and drops off that pace until the scenario repeats its place. The irony of this is on the occasion he is relegated to the back of the pack at the start, he manages to move forward typically to the top 10 or even top 5. He has the speed. The bike has the speed. Once he starts trying to play games, he tends to lose.

Additionally, sponsors are looking for a package. On/off the track. While Barcia can be civil and polite, he has too many moments that he fails. What comes to mind is when he passed Webb at an outdoor race and took the time to turn around and flip him off over a jump. No need for that during a race or especially to a team mate. He doesn't have to like his team mate, but a sponsor would expect better of him.

Lastly is his age. He turned 28 in March and Father time is not on his side. With the outdoors looming, he will need to be focused t to keep pace with Tomac, Webb, Musquin, Anderson, Ozzy and Adam C. He has his work cut out for the next series for sure.

Can he do it? You bet he can. Will he is the question that remains to answered.
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I’m of the opinion that the championship age is moving up honestly. Lots of guys are staying in the class longer, Tomac isn’t much younger than...
I’m of the opinion that the championship age is moving up honestly. Lots of guys are staying in the class longer, Tomac isn’t much younger than barcia and I bet he has 1 or 2 more in him if he chooses to stay racing.
My contention as well. No reason now with improvements in all aspects of conditioning for 35 to be a reasonable retirement age.
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Interesting dialogue on Barcia and the Yamaha. I know the bike has more ability than I could ever use and would never restrict my finishes. Barcia...
Interesting dialogue on Barcia and the Yamaha. I know the bike has more ability than I could ever use and would never restrict my finishes. Barcia has the talent to run up front with the fastest guys. He seems to lack the focus on the task at hand. Constantly see him get caught by a faster rider and then turn up the pace for a bit. He typically cedes the position and drops off that pace until the scenario repeats its place. The irony of this is on the occasion he is relegated to the back of the pack at the start, he manages to move forward typically to the top 10 or even top 5. He has the speed. The bike has the speed. Once he starts trying to play games, he tends to lose.

Additionally, sponsors are looking for a package. On/off the track. While Barcia can be civil and polite, he has too many moments that he fails. What comes to mind is when he passed Webb at an outdoor race and took the time to turn around and flip him off over a jump. No need for that during a race or especially to a team mate. He doesn't have to like his team mate, but a sponsor would expect better of him.

Lastly is his age. He turned 28 in March and Father time is not on his side. With the outdoors looming, he will need to be focused t to keep pace with Tomac, Webb, Musquin, Anderson, Ozzy and Adam C. He has his work cut out for the next series for sure.

Can he do it? You bet he can. Will he is the question that remains to answered.
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I’m of the opinion that the championship age is moving up honestly. Lots of guys are staying in the class longer, Tomac isn’t much younger than...
I’m of the opinion that the championship age is moving up honestly. Lots of guys are staying in the class longer, Tomac isn’t much younger than barcia and I bet he has 1 or 2 more in him if he chooses to stay racing.
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My contention as well. No reason now with improvements in all aspects of conditioning for 35 to be a reasonable retirement age.
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