Star protesting Gieco for fuel

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sandtrack315 6/22/2020 4:27am
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I think that Star is used to seeing their riders walk away with races, and people typically say, oh, it's that Yamaha. Sexton has been riding amazing lately, and has complained previously about being down on power, so they are thinking it is his bike. In reality, when Shane was winning, it was mostly because of Shane, not the bike. Now that Chase is winning, it's most because of Chase, not the bike (or fuel).
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davis224 6/22/2020 4:37am
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I'm rooting for Chase, but if it is illegal fuel then it's Geico's own fault. It is a little fishy that they specifically protested the fuel, if they knew about it, why not protest earlier? The odds would be more in their favor to have a points penalty before they officially handed out the #1 plate, now they have to decide what's appropriate/if they want to deal with the drama of taking back an awarded championship.

Unless someone from Star slipped a little additive in their fuel storage as a backup plan... (don't take this seriously, please.) Also, what fuel is banned that would be advantageous to use? Higher oxygen content? Leaded fuel doesn't really make a difference for modern 4 strokes, does it?

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Boomslang 6/22/2020 4:49am
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So nothing "official" about the protest?
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Both Star and Geico run Pro 6
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I heard he was running a custom built turbo diesel motor? The fuel would obviously be different.
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racingfortheson 6/22/2020 5:11am
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What type of crappy sport are they running here. If fuel isn't legal then they should make a press release and say "Preliminary fuel test have been done. Fuel failed and has been sent to the lab. If lab shows it to be illegal then Chase get XXXX as penalty. Results will be released on xxxxx date."
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listening to the review pod this morning with Matthes, Weege, and JT$ they were mentioning that the protest may just be an eff you to Geico in "retaliation" for Nichols having a broken arm. If the arm truly is broken, I don't think we know for sure at this point. Just a little jab to piss em off regardless of whose fault the triple into the corner was.
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Funny post - everybody is sure of something, yet nobody really knows anything!
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As we saw with RC, fuel can have trace elements that are banned. So, it doesn't function like illegal fuel, and the race team did not do it on purpose, but it gets tested as such. Star is just hoping for this to occur.

Honestly, either way, most people will see Chase as the champion. He put it to Shane the second half of the Salt Lake rounds and was clearly the better rider, even though that Yamaha is for sure putting out more HP, even if the Honda has illegal fuel.
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vdrsnk04 wrote:
What is the penalty to Star if the fuel passes? I think it should work like a challenge call in the NFL. If you make the...
What is the penalty to Star if the fuel passes?

I think it should work like a challenge call in the NFL. If you make the claim and it’s wrong you get penalized for it(NFL loses a timeout). This way a team thinks much harder about doing it.

Either way, we will see where this goes.
I’d guess the penalty is the loss of the $1800 filing fee. If the protest is upheld and the fuel was illegal, I think Star would get that money back. Not positive on the latter though.
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JWalkowiak951 6/22/2020 6:43am
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Illegal fuel and a possibly half plugged exhaust(see the dumbgeon)..... Gieco is up to some tricky things these days. All reality it was Shane’s championship to have. But two bad restarts on his part handed the championship to Sexton. Congrats to whoever they crown champion!
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FerCzD wrote:
"Ilegal" Fuel didn't take Sexton to overtake Shane and regain the position when he let him by. He was the better rider. If Sexton ends up...
"Ilegal" Fuel didn't take Sexton to overtake Shane and regain the position when he let him by. He was the better rider. If Sexton ends up getting docked and Shane takes the championship it has an asterisk IMO.
JustMX wrote:
Fuel didn't cost Shane the title, red flags did....
Chase Sexton cost Shane the title.
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Can’t believe this thread went 4 pages. You really think geico would cheat and potentially lose the title??
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JWalkowiak951 wrote:
Illegal fuel and a possibly half plugged exhaust(see the dumbgeon)..... Gieco is up to some tricky things these days. All reality it was Shane’s championship to...
Illegal fuel and a possibly half plugged exhaust(see the dumbgeon)..... Gieco is up to some tricky things these days. All reality it was Shane’s championship to have. But two bad restarts on his part handed the championship to Sexton. Congrats to whoever they crown champion!
“Handed the championship” chase had 5 wins. He owned the season. Where was Shane last night when he let Sexton by and he pulled away 10 seconds? Or the last race when he passed him and once again pulled away? Or the beginning of the season when marchbanks and hampshire beat him?
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vdrsnk04 wrote:
What is the penalty to Star if the fuel passes? I think it should work like a challenge call in the NFL. If you make the...
What is the penalty to Star if the fuel passes?

I think it should work like a challenge call in the NFL. If you make the claim and it’s wrong you get penalized for it(NFL loses a timeout). This way a team thinks much harder about doing it.

Either way, we will see where this goes.
downard254 wrote:
I’d guess the penalty is the loss of the $1800 filing fee. If the protest is upheld and the fuel was illegal, I think Star would...
I’d guess the penalty is the loss of the $1800 filing fee. If the protest is upheld and the fuel was illegal, I think Star would get that money back. Not positive on the latter though.
That’s how protests in sports work in general.

But Star would look really bad if there‘s nothing wrong with fuel.
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Zycki11 6/22/2020 7:13am
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A lot of opinions in this thread.
Chase won
Dylon won
Nichols is hurt
Star Yamaha is protesting Geico Honda on fuel
Everything else is just here say and bull shit.
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Boomslang 6/22/2020 7:13am
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Lets say Geico was for certain running Illegal fuel, that would make the bikes pretty equal as we all know those Yamahas have had the edge.

It came down to the riders. I've been rooting for Shane as he has yet to win a championship. Sadly, he got beat. Sexton was simply the better rider when it counted the most.

As for the protest, Yamaha my have smelt a rat and decided to give it a shot. Red faces in the Yamaha rig if Geico's fuel samples come back negative for a violation.
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Zycki11 wrote:
A lot of opinions in this thread. Chase won Dylon won Nichols is hurt Star Yamaha is protesting Geico Honda on fuel Everything else is just...
A lot of opinions in this thread.
Chase won
Dylon won
Nichols is hurt
Star Yamaha is protesting Geico Honda on fuel
Everything else is just here say and bull shit.
Hear-say....jus saying...you owe me a beer china.
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MotoMan12345 wrote:
Can’t believe this thread went 4 pages. You really think geico would cheat and potentially lose the title??
Nope...but its the one thing that could accidentally test over/under for something, and be outside the rules without doing so intentionally. Star with sour grapes, throwing a Hail Mary.
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neysbo wrote:
Both Star and Geico run Pro 6
That's a good point and brings up an interesting theory.

I got to imagine that at this level of racing they are always playing on the edge. Example, let's say the legal limit is set to 100 (and that's just an arbitrary unit of measurement), then the fuel manufactures are going to shoot for 98-99.
What if Star was doing their own back testing and found some batches to be outside of legal spec, and knowing that Geico uses the same fuel they are hoping that maybe they didn't test it and ran some of those batches?
Again, just a theory
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JWalkowiak951 wrote:
Illegal fuel and a possibly half plugged exhaust(see the dumbgeon)..... Gieco is up to some tricky things these days. All reality it was Shane’s championship to...
Illegal fuel and a possibly half plugged exhaust(see the dumbgeon)..... Gieco is up to some tricky things these days. All reality it was Shane’s championship to have. But two bad restarts on his part handed the championship to Sexton. Congrats to whoever they crown champion!
Holy shit! ...lol
Just the fact that you referenced that absolutely nutty 'exhaust' thread makes me question your sanity!
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neysbo wrote:
Both Star and Geico run Pro 6
ti473 wrote:
That's a good point and brings up an interesting theory. I got to imagine that at this level of racing they are always playing on the...
That's a good point and brings up an interesting theory.

I got to imagine that at this level of racing they are always playing on the edge. Example, let's say the legal limit is set to 100 (and that's just an arbitrary unit of measurement), then the fuel manufactures are going to shoot for 98-99.
What if Star was doing their own back testing and found some batches to be outside of legal spec, and knowing that Geico uses the same fuel they are hoping that maybe they didn't test it and ran some of those batches?
Again, just a theory
Then I would hope Geico was smart enough to also file a protest against Star. Then if Chase loses 25 points, Shane could too.
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neysbo wrote:
Both Star and Geico run Pro 6
ti473 wrote:
That's a good point and brings up an interesting theory. I got to imagine that at this level of racing they are always playing on the...
That's a good point and brings up an interesting theory.

I got to imagine that at this level of racing they are always playing on the edge. Example, let's say the legal limit is set to 100 (and that's just an arbitrary unit of measurement), then the fuel manufactures are going to shoot for 98-99.
What if Star was doing their own back testing and found some batches to be outside of legal spec, and knowing that Geico uses the same fuel they are hoping that maybe they didn't test it and ran some of those batches?
Again, just a theory
Skuzzy29 wrote:
Then I would hope Geico was smart enough to also file a protest against Star. Then if Chase loses 25 points, Shane could too.
Yes but if they did their own testing, I would think they'd be smart enough not to run those batches
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TriRacer27 6/22/2020 7:59am
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I get what everyone is saying, and that Star needs to do what they can.


HOWEVER, you have a rider saying on the podium that your bikes are TOO fast, and you then go an protest another team for fuel, which essentially says you think they won because their bikes were a little bit faster than they otherwise would've been. That's just shitty sportsmanship. I get it, rules are rules, there's big money at stake here, but Yamaha, Monster, Thor etc. should take note because this behavior doesn't sell product.

Even if Star is right, it'll leave a bad taste in everyone's mouth because we all know who deserves the title.
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TriRacer27 wrote:
I get what everyone is saying, and that Star needs to do what they can. HOWEVER, you have a rider saying on the podium that your...
I get what everyone is saying, and that Star needs to do what they can.


HOWEVER, you have a rider saying on the podium that your bikes are TOO fast, and you then go an protest another team for fuel, which essentially says you think they won because their bikes were a little bit faster than they otherwise would've been. That's just shitty sportsmanship. I get it, rules are rules, there's big money at stake here, but Yamaha, Monster, Thor etc. should take note because this behavior doesn't sell product.

Even if Star is right, it'll leave a bad taste in everyone's mouth because we all know who deserves the title.
Did the same rules apply when RC and Suzuki
had illegal fuel and he threatened to leave the sport? His reputation wasn’t tarnished.
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FerCzD wrote:
"Ilegal" Fuel didn't take Sexton to overtake Shane and regain the position when he let him by. He was the better rider. If Sexton ends up...
"Ilegal" Fuel didn't take Sexton to overtake Shane and regain the position when he let him by. He was the better rider. If Sexton ends up getting docked and Shane takes the championship it has an asterisk IMO.
JustMX wrote:
Fuel didn't cost Shane the title, red flags did....
agn5009 wrote:
Chase Sexton cost Shane the title.
Exactly. Shane had a great start after the red flag. He had every chance.
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Zycki11 6/22/2020 8:17am
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Sexton flat out won. He rode very well and was a little lucky with the restart, but he made the most of it walked away with the win.
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JWalkowiak951 6/22/2020 8:28am
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MotoMan12345 wrote:
“Handed the championship” chase had 5 wins. He owned the season. Where was Shane last night when he let Sexton by and he pulled away 10...
“Handed the championship” chase had 5 wins. He owned the season. Where was Shane last night when he let Sexton by and he pulled away 10 seconds? Or the last race when he passed him and once again pulled away? Or the beginning of the season when marchbanks and hampshire beat him?
Obviously Shane isn’t the person for restarts? That was the main point I was making. If you take away the two restart races where Shane was leading And it would have finished how they were running it would be slated the other way. Shane 5 chase 3. If you look at average start position Shane was better than Chase 2.4 vs 2.6. And laps led Shane at 64 and Chase at 57. Then if you want to look at qualifying spots Shane’s average was 1.6 to Chase’s 2.5. Both were deserving of the championship no doubt.
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JWalkowiak951 6/22/2020 8:29am
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Skuzzy29 wrote:
Holy shit! ...lol
Just the fact that you referenced that absolutely nutty 'exhaust' thread makes me question your sanity!
It was all sarcasm about the exhaust. Or was it?

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