Where Bubba came from...

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Skuzzy29 5/24/2020 4:50pm
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BobbyM wrote:
2020 world champion RAIDERS...
Sure hope so! Gonna be awesome having a real stadium to go to, provided I can ever afford tickets...lol
Dirty Points 5/24/2020 5:15pm
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SEEMEFIRST wrote:
Put 2 kids through Academy then select. Soccer isn't cheap, maybe not moto money, but you aren't going to do it being impoverished without sponsors. Then...
Put 2 kids through Academy then select.
Soccer isn't cheap, maybe not moto money, but you aren't going to do it being impoverished without sponsors.
Then look at how many pro teams are out there, and they don't have 53 man rosters. There are 690 players currently.
Then look at the salaries. The average base is about $345k. Very few are millionaires.
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You're thinking is based on what you see here in the USA or in prominent European countries. Go spend some time in Africa, or Central America...
You're thinking is based on what you see here in the USA or in prominent European countries. Go spend some time in Africa, or Central America, or South America and tell me how that sport doesn't elevate a talented but poor kids standard of living. Sports in the US have not always be what it is today with traveling all over the US for tournaments, etc (nor does it need to be). It got that way because it turned into a business. You will have more millionaires playing in an international soccer game (two teams combined on the field) than you will have in all of the MX at any one time. I'm not really a soccer fan either, I played rugby growing up and through college. But I fully acknowledge its a low cost of barrier of entry. Hell, half the kids playing soccer in poor African countries don't even wear shoes.
SEEMEFIRST wrote:
Of course I am talking about the U.S. because, well, that is where Bubba is from. You can't really compare U.S. soccer to "international", and you'll...
Of course I am talking about the U.S. because, well, that is where Bubba is from.
You can't really compare U.S. soccer to "international", and you'll notice that there aren't a lot of Americans playing in The Premier League, Bundesliga, etc.

What you will find is that the millionaires you spoke about played a shit ton of Academy soccer, and likely on more than one Jr. team at a time. Expensive.

After 50 years being involved in the sport one way or another, I have learned a little about it.
I think you will find at least as many Americans in Premier League, Bundesliga, and other top leagues as there are factory 450 rides:
https://ussoccerplayers.com/usmnt-players-abroad
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SEEMEFIRST 5/24/2020 5:45pm
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TbonesPop wrote:
You're thinking is based on what you see here in the USA or in prominent European countries. Go spend some time in Africa, or Central America...
You're thinking is based on what you see here in the USA or in prominent European countries. Go spend some time in Africa, or Central America, or South America and tell me how that sport doesn't elevate a talented but poor kids standard of living. Sports in the US have not always be what it is today with traveling all over the US for tournaments, etc (nor does it need to be). It got that way because it turned into a business. You will have more millionaires playing in an international soccer game (two teams combined on the field) than you will have in all of the MX at any one time. I'm not really a soccer fan either, I played rugby growing up and through college. But I fully acknowledge its a low cost of barrier of entry. Hell, half the kids playing soccer in poor African countries don't even wear shoes.
SEEMEFIRST wrote:
Of course I am talking about the U.S. because, well, that is where Bubba is from. You can't really compare U.S. soccer to "international", and you'll...
Of course I am talking about the U.S. because, well, that is where Bubba is from.
You can't really compare U.S. soccer to "international", and you'll notice that there aren't a lot of Americans playing in The Premier League, Bundesliga, etc.

What you will find is that the millionaires you spoke about played a shit ton of Academy soccer, and likely on more than one Jr. team at a time. Expensive.

After 50 years being involved in the sport one way or another, I have learned a little about it.
Dirty Points wrote:
I think you will find at least as many Americans in Premier League, Bundesliga, and other top leagues as there are factory 450 rides:
https://ussoccerplayers.com/usmnt-players-abroad
Not a big list, and how many are millionares?

Pretty sure the vast majority of them were on elite select teams as well.
Dirty Points 5/24/2020 6:02pm
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SEEMEFIRST wrote:
Of course I am talking about the U.S. because, well, that is where Bubba is from. You can't really compare U.S. soccer to "international", and you'll...
Of course I am talking about the U.S. because, well, that is where Bubba is from.
You can't really compare U.S. soccer to "international", and you'll notice that there aren't a lot of Americans playing in The Premier League, Bundesliga, etc.

What you will find is that the millionaires you spoke about played a shit ton of Academy soccer, and likely on more than one Jr. team at a time. Expensive.

After 50 years being involved in the sport one way or another, I have learned a little about it.
Dirty Points wrote:
I think you will find at least as many Americans in Premier League, Bundesliga, and other top leagues as there are factory 450 rides:
https://ussoccerplayers.com/usmnt-players-abroad
SEEMEFIRST wrote:
Not a big list, and how many are millionares?

Pretty sure the vast majority of them were on elite select teams as well.
The one thing I will say and have seen enough times to hold true: if the talent is special, finances won't keep a kid out of any high level program.

This is true for soccer academy systems, AAU basketball, etc.

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Hallzilla 5/24/2020 6:06pm
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Spudnut wrote:
“ How many sports can take people from near-poverty to multi-millionaire?” About 85% of them
Nail meet head, well said!
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Falcon 5/24/2020 6:11pm
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How many guys race a main event at A1 in both classes? 44.
There are about 30 starters on each of the 32 teams in the NFL. (Offense, defense, S.T.) By numbers alone, there are more slits to fill and thus more opportunity in football.
Dirty Points 5/24/2020 6:16pm
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Falcon wrote:
How many guys race a main event at A1 in both classes? 44. There are about 30 starters on each of the 32 teams in the...
How many guys race a main event at A1 in both classes? 44.
There are about 30 starters on each of the 32 teams in the NFL. (Offense, defense, S.T.) By numbers alone, there are more slits to fill and thus more opportunity in football.
Yes. And the minimum salary in the NBA is $1M with 15 roster spots for 30 teams. All who make the show past their unguaranteed signing period are millionaires
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mx 219 5/24/2020 6:17pm
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Falcon wrote:
How many guys race a main event at A1 in both classes? 44. There are about 30 starters on each of the 32 teams in the...
How many guys race a main event at A1 in both classes? 44.
There are about 30 starters on each of the 32 teams in the NFL. (Offense, defense, S.T.) By numbers alone, there are more slits to fill and thus more opportunity in football.
Compare the number of 8 yr old kids that play football and how many of them make it to the NFL, then compare that to the number of 8 yr old kids that race mx and then get their pro license and qualify for a national. Id be willing to say the smaller percentage is for football, or baseball.
Dirty Points 5/24/2020 6:18pm
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Falcon wrote:
How many guys race a main event at A1 in both classes? 44. There are about 30 starters on each of the 32 teams in the...
How many guys race a main event at A1 in both classes? 44.
There are about 30 starters on each of the 32 teams in the NFL. (Offense, defense, S.T.) By numbers alone, there are more slits to fill and thus more opportunity in football.
mx 219 wrote:
Compare the number of 8 yr old kids that play football and how many of them make it to the NFL, then compare that to the...
Compare the number of 8 yr old kids that play football and how many of them make it to the NFL, then compare that to the number of 8 yr old kids that race mx and then get their pro license and qualify for a national. Id be willing to say the smaller percentage is for football, or baseball.
The discussion was about sports that kids from poverty could become a multi-millionaire in, not sports that some schmoe who's pretty good can pay a fee to line up for a national competition in.
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Stephon 5/24/2020 7:29pm
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dirtworldmx wrote:
James was solid middle-class growing up with an intact family. But that doesn't make for a good story.
Was the Stewart family solid, middle-class before James' agreements/contracts with Fox, Kawasaki,Oakley, etc.? I remember Big James, in an interview, saying it was sometimes a choice between being able to race or paying the rent.
Dirty Points 5/24/2020 7:32pm
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dirtworldmx wrote:
James was solid middle-class growing up with an intact family. But that doesn't make for a good story.
Stephon wrote:
Was the Stewart family solid, middle-class before James' agreements/contracts with Fox, Kawasaki,Oakley, etc.? I remember Big James, in an interview, saying it was sometimes a choice...
Was the Stewart family solid, middle-class before James' agreements/contracts with Fox, Kawasaki,Oakley, etc.? I remember Big James, in an interview, saying it was sometimes a choice between being able to race or paying the rent.
I would think most middle class families putting in the type of financial/personal commitment of Big James would be stretched to their limits. I just think for most that one wouldn't be a question they struggle with -- he's just in a different headspace.

If you can't afford to go racing in a given month, it isn't generally even considered by most parents against the roof over the family's head.
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neverwas 5/24/2020 7:48pm
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visser62 wrote:
Deshaun Watson didn't have a bed and had to sleep on the floor every night before he went to Clemson.
Skuzzy29 wrote:
Josh Jacobs was homeless, sleeping in a car with his Dad. Now he's the starting running back for the Raiders!
BobbyM wrote:
2020 world champion RAIDERS...
I would love to see that.
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APLMAN99 5/24/2020 8:37pm
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Falcon wrote:
How many guys race a main event at A1 in both classes? 44. There are about 30 starters on each of the 32 teams in the...
How many guys race a main event at A1 in both classes? 44.
There are about 30 starters on each of the 32 teams in the NFL. (Offense, defense, S.T.) By numbers alone, there are more slits to fill and thus more opportunity in football.
Dirty Points wrote:
Yes. And the minimum salary in the NBA is $1M with 15 roster spots for 30 teams. All who make the show past their unguaranteed signing...
Yes. And the minimum salary in the NBA is $1M with 15 roster spots for 30 teams. All who make the show past their unguaranteed signing period are millionaires
Well, “half millionaires” after taxes, agents, etc.....
Dirty Points 5/24/2020 8:55pm
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Falcon wrote:
How many guys race a main event at A1 in both classes? 44. There are about 30 starters on each of the 32 teams in the...
How many guys race a main event at A1 in both classes? 44.
There are about 30 starters on each of the 32 teams in the NFL. (Offense, defense, S.T.) By numbers alone, there are more slits to fill and thus more opportunity in football.
Dirty Points wrote:
Yes. And the minimum salary in the NBA is $1M with 15 roster spots for 30 teams. All who make the show past their unguaranteed signing...
Yes. And the minimum salary in the NBA is $1M with 15 roster spots for 30 teams. All who make the show past their unguaranteed signing period are millionaires
APLMAN99 wrote:
Well, “half millionaires” after taxes, agents, etc.....
Keep in mind that's minimum and drafted players have base scales starting significantly higher than that (about $2M/year for the last first round pick, guaranteed for 2 years). The league midlevel-exception rule is tied to roughly the median league salary. For the upcoming season that is $9.75M per year.
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APLMAN99 5/24/2020 9:03pm
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Dirty Points wrote:
Yes. And the minimum salary in the NBA is $1M with 15 roster spots for 30 teams. All who make the show past their unguaranteed signing...
Yes. And the minimum salary in the NBA is $1M with 15 roster spots for 30 teams. All who make the show past their unguaranteed signing period are millionaires
APLMAN99 wrote:
Well, “half millionaires” after taxes, agents, etc.....
Dirty Points wrote:
Keep in mind that's minimum and drafted players have base scales starting significantly higher than that (about $2M/year for the last first round pick, guaranteed for...
Keep in mind that's minimum and drafted players have base scales starting significantly higher than that (about $2M/year for the last first round pick, guaranteed for 2 years). The league midlevel-exception rule is tied to roughly the median league salary. For the upcoming season that is $9.75M per year.
I was replying because you had referred to the NBA minimum salary, which is actually just under $900K. Most new players certainly can’t put that entire amount in the bank, as nearly half is gone right off the top. Actually more than half is probably gone from most players when you consider the NBA escrow system (although they are likely to get that back later).

Being a “millionaire” is based on assets and liabilities, not really income/salary.
Dirty Points 5/24/2020 9:05pm
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APLMAN99 wrote:
Well, “half millionaires” after taxes, agents, etc.....
Dirty Points wrote:
Keep in mind that's minimum and drafted players have base scales starting significantly higher than that (about $2M/year for the last first round pick, guaranteed for...
Keep in mind that's minimum and drafted players have base scales starting significantly higher than that (about $2M/year for the last first round pick, guaranteed for 2 years). The league midlevel-exception rule is tied to roughly the median league salary. For the upcoming season that is $9.75M per year.
APLMAN99 wrote:
I was replying because you had referred to the NBA minimum salary, which is actually just under $900K. Most new players certainly can’t put that entire...
I was replying because you had referred to the NBA minimum salary, which is actually just under $900K. Most new players certainly can’t put that entire amount in the bank, as nearly half is gone right off the top. Actually more than half is probably gone from most players when you consider the NBA escrow system (although they are likely to get that back later).

Being a “millionaire” is based on assets and liabilities, not really income/salary.
Right, but to be clear, it is also a league that due to the structure of their collective bargaining agreement with guaranteed scale-based contracts, ascending vet minimum size and the nature of their roster sizes, there are very few players earning the minimum. It would have to be an undrafted rookie, probably occupying one roster spot at most per team (and even they are doing damn well compared to most all in mx). A player with even 1 year of experience minimally earns just shy of $1.5M.
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Sierra Ranger 5/24/2020 10:06pm
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People obviously rise out of poverty with all kinds of sports, so I didn't make much sense with that sentence. I should rephrase as; "Isn't it cool how motocross can rise somebody out of humble backgrounds to become a multi-millionaire?"
Poverty was probably the wrong word too to describe the Stewarts' situation, too. Chalk it up to excited posting.
Moto does have unique obstacles, especially for someone with James background, so I think it's cool how the Stewarts took the bull by the horns and just made it happen with hard work.
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slipdog 5/24/2020 10:19pm
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I don't care where Bubba came from, I'm just glad I got to watch it from beginning to end.
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Boomslang 5/25/2020 12:49am
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I wish my rider had started playing Golf at the age of 4. I'd be polishing clubs for a lot more money, birds signing in the trees, quietness.....19th hole....
Boomslang 5/25/2020 12:53am
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Sierra Ranger wrote:
People obviously rise out of poverty with all kinds of sports, so I didn't make much sense with that sentence. I should rephrase as; "Isn't it...
People obviously rise out of poverty with all kinds of sports, so I didn't make much sense with that sentence. I should rephrase as; "Isn't it cool how motocross can rise somebody out of humble backgrounds to become a multi-millionaire?"
Poverty was probably the wrong word too to describe the Stewarts' situation, too. Chalk it up to excited posting.
Moto does have unique obstacles, especially for someone with James background, so I think it's cool how the Stewarts took the bull by the horns and just made it happen with hard work.
I met Taj Gibson - NY Nix, he showed me his old apartment where he grew up in the Projects in Queens, the Bronx area. He had nothing as a kid except for his burning desire to get out of there and a ball.
fullfloater 5/25/2020 2:30am
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I started racing in 1982. Couldn’t race much back then because I couldn’t afford it. I still can’t afford to do it properly now. Smile
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rompin87 5/25/2020 3:14am
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Spudnut wrote:
“ How many sports can take people from near-poverty to multi-millionaire?” About 85% of them
"How many sports can take a multi-millionaire to near poverty"? I can think of 1. Wink
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CPR 5/25/2020 3:22am
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I think if you dig around, most elite riders will have an interesting backstory, however one of the best working class, rags to riches stories belongs to Stewart’s biggest rival; Chad Reed.
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