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RangerLee
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What are the prices for their bikes? Same as Husky or KTM or lower?
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The_Major
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You do realize that's what KTM is doing, right? Getting them into the mxgp with competitive four strokes. Come 2021 2022 we'll be seeing them in SX and MX, if not a factory team, then at least some privateers. All the while, KTM will be diving into the trials scenes. There are so many upsides to this whole scenario bud. Like the simple fact that they will be producing more parts and bikes, that in turn, should lower the overall prices of owning anything from KTM. Simple supply and demand tells us this. And yet, your biggest complaints are that the bikes are just red ktms? C'mon man, seriously?
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RangerLee wrote:
What are the prices for their bikes? Same as Husky or KTM or lower?
Interested myself and eagerly waiting for the MSRP.
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You’re going to see two of them out there this weekend. Really not understanding where you’re having trouble grasping the fact that this indeed, good for the sport
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
Give them time. They just acquired the company. Do you honestly think they can develop a brand new bike in a few months time? No. Look...
Give them time. They just acquired the company. Do you honestly think they can develop a brand new bike in a few months time? No.

Look at the bigger picture. Keeping a company from going bankrupt helps the sport of motorcycling.

Sure, in its current form it's a red KTM. That said, the guys that have ridden both the Husky and the KTM say it's different. I'm sure it'll be the same for GasGas come 2021 or 2022.

Shit doesn't get done overnight.

Chevy and GMC is the same base truck. Is that a bad thing?
While you have a point that GM has been able to do it with their Chevrolet, GMC and Cadillac brands, I’m not sure the off-road motorcycle market is large enough to support the same type of model. Plus, GM not differentiating their brands enough is part of what bankrupted them just over a decade ago. Ford killed off their Mercury brand and some of the premium Japanese auto brands are struggling so it doesn’t always work.
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2/28/2020 7:14pm Edited Date/Time 2/28/2020 9:45pm
It blows my mind that some of you see this as a negative deal. And it's funny that some really thought Coldenhoff and Monticelli would race on something else than a red KTM a few months after KTM bought Gas Gas. Like how deluded are you if you think they could come up with a "real" Gas Gas within a few months?

The whole KTM group is pushing off road racing and the industry forward. That can't be said about the other brands, quite the opposite.
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So KTM acquiring Husky didn't add numerous Teams worldwide and resurrect a dying brand with tons of history? Gas Gas is now a player and although these few riders may not be *new*, you cannot argue that KTM gaining market share is good for the sport.....while all other Teams have the same number of factory guys, Suzuki is non existent, and KTM is the only one really growing and thinking differently. E bikes, Hard Enduro, GNCC, Moto, SX, dirt track....in summary, your'e an idiot if you cannot see this is good for the sport.
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ATKpilot99 wrote:
Too bad they didn't buy ATK before they ceased dirt bike production. Cool
They should buy ATK and sell them in blue Laughing
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2/28/2020 11:05pm Edited Date/Time 2/28/2020 11:05pm
There are some serious strategies behind this which may be good for the industry. E.g. Ktm bought them to get some of their models (trials) that Ktm don’t have. So they keep that option alive.
From what I have heard, gas gas will become the slightly lower spec / cheaper brand in motocross. So ktm will try to make bikes more accessible.

Like the Suzuki of the Japanese bikes Woohoo
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2/28/2020 11:17pm
-MAVERICK- wrote:
Give them time. They just acquired the company. Do you honestly think they can develop a brand new bike in a few months time? No. Look...
Give them time. They just acquired the company. Do you honestly think they can develop a brand new bike in a few months time? No.

Look at the bigger picture. Keeping a company from going bankrupt helps the sport of motorcycling.

Sure, in its current form it's a red KTM. That said, the guys that have ridden both the Husky and the KTM say it's different. I'm sure it'll be the same for GasGas come 2021 or 2022.

Shit doesn't get done overnight.

Chevy and GMC is the same base truck. Is that a bad thing?
It will always be a red ktm. Just like the Husky will always be a white KTM. It’s not about developing a new platform and selling it under the GasGas brand. It’s about getting more out of the platforms they already have.
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cwel11
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2/28/2020 11:33pm
-MAVERICK- wrote:
Give them time. They just acquired the company. Do you honestly think they can develop a brand new bike in a few months time? No. Look...
Give them time. They just acquired the company. Do you honestly think they can develop a brand new bike in a few months time? No.

Look at the bigger picture. Keeping a company from going bankrupt helps the sport of motorcycling.

Sure, in its current form it's a red KTM. That said, the guys that have ridden both the Husky and the KTM say it's different. I'm sure it'll be the same for GasGas come 2021 or 2022.

Shit doesn't get done overnight.

Chevy and GMC is the same base truck. Is that a bad thing?
This is spot on. KTM is the most successful brand across the globe right now and they didn’t get there by being stupid. They’ve got a great product so why wouldn’t they stick with the base setup and slowly start tweaking it a bit differently which in the next few years they will. They’ve continued slowly making Huskys different but they don’t reinvent the wheel because you take the chance of destroying your brand with a bad bike. Give it time, until then pick your favorite color and go buy one. Mine happens to be white.
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2/28/2020 11:34pm
I'll tell you one thing KTM has accomplished with this strategy and that's collectively raising the msrp of dirtbikes, particularly MX models.

It's like when one local track goes from $20 to $30 for practice days, then magically for no apparent reason, EVERY track within 100 miles is charging $30 with nothing in the way if upgrades to justify the price hike. One would think in an area where some tracks are charging $30 to ride, the one track that kept their prices at $20 would not them a substantial amount more riders on any given day....making money by volume and not margin with low volume.
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> KTM buys another company, looks to spends millions in developing new bikes and creating rides in professional racing around the world.

>takes KTM longer than 5 minutes to achieve

>explained multiple times by multiple people

> i DoNt GeT hOw ThIs hElpS tHe SpOrT rEd KtM hUrrr DuRrr

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I'll tell you one thing KTM has accomplished with this strategy and that's collectively raising the msrp of dirtbikes, particularly MX models. It's like when one...
I'll tell you one thing KTM has accomplished with this strategy and that's collectively raising the msrp of dirtbikes, particularly MX models.

It's like when one local track goes from $20 to $30 for practice days, then magically for no apparent reason, EVERY track within 100 miles is charging $30 with nothing in the way if upgrades to justify the price hike. One would think in an area where some tracks are charging $30 to ride, the one track that kept their prices at $20 would not them a substantial amount more riders on any given day....making money by volume and not margin with low volume.
I see your point about the tracks but personally I won’t ride the $30 tracks that don’t prep like they should. If you have good prep, good layout, good soil, (product) you can charge $40 to ride and I’ll gladly pay it. You try charging me $40 to ride a dusty, rocky, shithole and I’m never coming back and eventually your business will close. KTMs are justifiably more expensive because they’ve got a better product at the moment. I’ve spent countless dollars on Japanese bikes making them better from the factory. I don’t do that with KTM or Husky.
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2/29/2020 12:29am Edited Date/Time 2/29/2020 12:44am
I think its just best to say that we'll agree to disagree and move on. This saved a dying company just as KTM did with Husky. Now we not only have 2, 25, 4, 19 out there in the US but also 21, 16, 15.

Plus, broaden your gaze a bit other from nothing but mx. Do you realize, since the same thing happened with Husky? It was completely a white KTM for first year or two. Yes, the DNA still is but they are different in many ways offering quality choices. How is that bad?

How many white bikes line up at Erzberg or Romaniacs or GNCCs? Not MX but important disciplines, nonetheless. More important to some. This is a good thing, man. Husqvarna, who have great history in motorsports, was dead and buried till KTM bought them. Now they provide riders with factory jobs worldwide and customers with great bikes offering a few different choices from just orange. A legendary bike brand has been resurrected. This will be the same with GasGas.

GasGas has a long tradition in motorsports. Saving and eventually growing the brand is good. It just is.

I've ridden mainly KTM since 2001 back before they were cool. But have had several GG bikes. So they are important to me and very viable to me but i have never seen this much discussion on a GG on Vital. Ever. And the bikes look great. Laia did well as will Glenn and Taddy as well as the others.

It's growing the brand a ton even before the first flag has dropped. So its good. And in time, the bikes will have enough variances to give options people will appreciate. But if you disagree then that's your prerogative.
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Better question would be what has Honda done over the last couple of decades that was good for MX? I remember when they had a team.


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Here's my GAsGAs, and don't see any resemblance to it looking KTM ish. I take offense to itEvil Laughing
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Am a Gas Gas owner. And an Italian Husqvarna owner before that. Is it “good” for the sport? Not sure about all that... Look at what happened to Husaberg, I kind of get it, because the name recognition wasn’t there, but still would be pissed if I was an owner then. To me Gas Gas is known for Trials and Off-Road (Enduro) bikes. I’ll disregard that stint Damon Bradshaw did Moto-ing the Enduro bikes last couple of years. And from all the chatter on www.gasgasrider.org years ago when they got popular in Enduro stateside, the name roughly translates to “to Gas it, similar to our WFO.


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What kind of contingency money is Gas Gas paying for the plastic swap?
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Happy that KTM saved GG. Have had 4 GG MC250, actually had the very first one imported into states in '98. Actually had a couple of Bultaco stamped bolts on it. Only thing bad on them was re-sell value was brutal but being the nutjob that always liked the exotic brands knew that going in.
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If you guys read the interview on mxvice.com with Coldenhoff he says they are riding the KTM the first two rounds then they will switch to the actual GasGas bike after that.
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bultokid
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More brands the merrier
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65% of Gas Gas is now owned by KTM. I don't think that KTM will slap a KTM engine in them. Maybe re-design them a little but they won't be like Husky/KTM. There is too much for them to lose in the overseas market if they do. I'd love to see a more KTMish engine in my Gas Gas trials bike because as much as I like it I think it would be more reliable. Especially the gearbox. KTM shops will now have Gas Gas trials bikes which will increase sales of bikes parts and service. I used to tell my old man I didn't like Jerry Jones because he didn't win play-offs or Super Bowls anymore. He told me the man was a winner. He said the Dallas Cowboys was a business, and the man was the best there is. KTM has forced all manufacturers to increase quality and value. They have been nothing but good for the sport of motorcycling.
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eg351 wrote:
If you guys read the interview on mxvice.com with Coldenhoff he says they are riding the KTM the first two rounds then they will switch to...
If you guys read the interview on mxvice.com with Coldenhoff he says they are riding the KTM the first two rounds then they will switch to the actual GasGas bike after that.
If you mean the Coldenhoff interview its actually over two weeks old at this point. What he was saying was the they would be riding actual orange KTMs until just before Matterley Basin, where the GasGas was to be "revealed". I´m pretty sure they´ll be riding red KTM:s all year.

Eventually the GasGas will probably be like Husky. Same frame and engine but with different subframe, bodywork and maybe suspension settings. But they wont change all that in the middle of the season. While the Husky and KTM is similar, they arent EXACTLY the same and no team or rider would just jump from one to the other in the middle of a season. Even just a bodywork change can have huge impact on rider feel and comfort.

Nobody thought they´d look any different. This year is basically just a marketing campaign for the upcoming 2021 NEW GasGas models. Hopefully they can keep some of the looks of the current GasGas bikes, because they look fire IMO.


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3/2/2020 7:44am Edited Date/Time 3/2/2020 7:47am
bayodome wrote:
That's right! If you own a 2019 or 2020 KTM SX model, come get in on the fun of the excitingly reinvented Spanish motorcycle brand, GASGAS...
That's right! If you own a 2019 or 2020 KTM SX model, come get in on the fun of the excitingly reinvented Spanish motorcycle brand, GASGAS! Here's how:

Step 1) Buy a complete set of red plastics for your KTM.

Step 2) Remove your KTM's orange plastics.

Step 3) Install your new red plastics.

Step 4) Enjoy your amazing, brand spanking new GASGAS MC motocross machine!

Brought to you by GASGAS. "Ready to gas gas."™
APLMAN99 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/02/28/407406/s1200_F4EEED9F_C822_402E_9E7F_988AB093CF60.jpg[/img]

The AppleDude nails it, again. And, I shouldn’t have to mention the obvious...but...well, hell, why not!

They’ve got everyone taking about it...and isn’t that the goal?

For the moment, the MX bikes are rebranded KTMs; but, the story is that they’re going to build an actual Gas Gas & they’re even going to assemble it in...Spain.

My responses is pretty laid back...aka...my usual,”We’ll see.”
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Three pages? Smile Laughing

I'm impressed that people are still staying on topic...mostly.
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They will be rebranded KTM..... I do not know how much they will change to differ from KTM, and when those changes will come.

What I have read here in Spain is that KTM is trying to sell the current GasGas platform (as they did with the original Husqvarna to SWM)... So I doubt anything will remain from the current platform.

For the moment there is even problems with some parts supply, they have a lot of shit in backorder (I had to repair my e-starter with a -2016 KTM starter and reverse its polarity.... as there was no GasGas starter in stock).


Let see... but seems like original GasGas enduro line is dead, and only the trials line will survive.
3/2/2020 8:52am
eg351 wrote:
If you guys read the interview on mxvice.com with Coldenhoff he says they are riding the KTM the first two rounds then they will switch to...
If you guys read the interview on mxvice.com with Coldenhoff he says they are riding the KTM the first two rounds then they will switch to the actual GasGas bike after that.
Ray_MXS wrote:
If you mean the Coldenhoff interview its actually over two weeks old at this point. What he was saying was the they would be riding actual...
If you mean the Coldenhoff interview its actually over two weeks old at this point. What he was saying was the they would be riding actual orange KTMs until just before Matterley Basin, where the GasGas was to be "revealed". I´m pretty sure they´ll be riding red KTM:s all year.

Eventually the GasGas will probably be like Husky. Same frame and engine but with different subframe, bodywork and maybe suspension settings. But they wont change all that in the middle of the season. While the Husky and KTM is similar, they arent EXACTLY the same and no team or rider would just jump from one to the other in the middle of a season. Even just a bodywork change can have huge impact on rider feel and comfort.

Nobody thought they´d look any different. This year is basically just a marketing campaign for the upcoming 2021 NEW GasGas models. Hopefully they can keep some of the looks of the current GasGas bikes, because they look fire IMO.


He said in a dutch interview they'll be switching over to an actual GasGas in the second half of the season.

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