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Jeremy Macbeth 12/31/2019 5:00pm
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GuyB wrote:
Gotcha. So you'd be okay with attending races with only the 450 guys racing?

I'm not sure how things would go with half as much show.
They can fill the "show" with whatever forms of ancillary entertainment they want. They can still keep the development class around.

I'm just saying - there is still only one class that really means anything: the 450 class.
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Jeff_Crutcher 12/31/2019 5:10pm
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Why do the idiotic ideas seem to spike during supercross season, then mellow out once we return to the sanity of outdoors?
Boredom reveals the devils work.
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I think the system is great now other than the East/West on 250's. It is the highest level of the sport and shouldn't be regional. The "real" Teams are running both coasts anyway. Make it one and the racing only gets better. Same exposure for all.
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If you hate the fucking sport so much that all you do is sit around and think of ways to fuck it up then maybe you should move on. They mess with the sport too much already.

I'm so tired of this crap year after fucking year. Shut the fuck up and enjoy the sport. Orherwise, fuck straight off to somewhere else. Either way, shut the fuck up.
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LewDizzle 12/31/2019 7:40pm
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Mitch and Pro Circuit changed the game.... don't take that as a complaint, more as a compliment. PEAK/HONDA team were in the days of when only if you were a badass amateur you got the one (and maybe second) 125 spot on the Factory team. The first first full-on factory supported "Lites" team class that kicked some fuckin ass. Look at the doors of their semi, the #1 plates say it all. It was once considered a feeder class, now IMHO, is the best racing of the night. Call it evolution of the sport I guess?
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Maybe follow the NASCAR formula, 250s race on Friday night, 450s race on Saturday night. They could sell tickets twice to see the same thing we...
Maybe follow the NASCAR formula, 250s race on Friday night, 450s race on Saturday night. They could sell tickets twice to see the same thing we see now for one ticket. Yes this idea is as stupid as having one class.
Have you ever looked in the stands during a Xfinity or truck race? There’s like no one there.
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Rushton597 12/31/2019 8:52pm
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Why is everyone upset about the 250 class? As was pointed out the 250's run pretty close lap times to the 450 class.... And the racing is usually more intense with more action. Why would we want to get rid of that? So we can watch other fast guys run maybe 4 seconds a lap faster on the 450? It just doesn't make sense for fans of the sport to want to see less professional racing. The only thing I can draw from all of this is that some of you don't have the attention span to sit through a 3 hour broad cast anymore. If you don't like the 250 class then DVR the race and fast forward.
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JM485 12/31/2019 9:48pm
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JM485 wrote:
Why do the idiotic ideas seem to spike during supercross season, then mellow out once we return to the sanity of outdoors?
Jeff_Crutcher wrote:
Boredom reveals the devils work.
I’m trying for the life of me to understand how supposed race fans are on board for cutting the racing in half just so a bunch of mouthbreathers who can’t walk and chew gum at the same time, let alone purchase and ride a motorcycle, can have an easier time understanding the racing. We’re talking two classes here, a big whopping number 2. If you can’t figure out that one class has smaller engines and one class has bigger engines and the whole program throws you for a massive loop then lord help you with the rest of your day because you’re going to need it.

Simplifying things is great but when you’re dumbing it down to People of Walmart level I have to draw the line.
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Chance1216 12/31/2019 10:32pm
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I like seeing up and coming riders. Factory and privateer. Nothing like a a rider moving up and, giving the best of the best a run for their money. One class? Yeah right.
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Johnny Depp 12/31/2019 11:36pm
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Pro Class and age class. 2 classes running the same speed is just stupid everybody gets a trophy stuff.
The differences in the current classes is too insignificant by itself to be considered a handicap being on a smaller bike. 125's make much more sense for a show.

Nobody ever proposed less racing. More racing of the top guys, together. Just like the Triple Crown. It worked and the sky didn't fall.
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Crush 12/31/2019 11:38pm
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Well. That’s shortsighted.
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kkawboy14 1/1/2020 12:03am
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Yeah I’m all for 3 classes!

2 stroke
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Zacka 161 1/1/2020 12:08am
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8tensolutions wrote:
I think the system is great now other than the East/West on 250's. It is the highest level of the sport and shouldn't be regional. The...
I think the system is great now other than the East/West on 250's. It is the highest level of the sport and shouldn't be regional. The "real" Teams are running both coasts anyway. Make it one and the racing only gets better. Same exposure for all.
No. It’s the second highest level of the sport. The problem is its shown on TV as though it is.

Increase the 450 racing, and exposure and make the 250 a clear feeder class for the viewers.

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In some cases, it would make sense to keep the 2 coasts for the 250 class. Getting rid of the 250 class makes no sense, the amount of competition is insane in it. Going to a 1 division 250 class would be cool too, but either way I find it entertaining. Although, the reasoning of 250 coast series doesn't make sense anymore, the reason it would be more cost effective and easier for a guy to race just a coast but the guys like that aren't going to be title contenders.
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Leeham wrote:
In some cases, it would make sense to keep the 2 coasts for the 250 class. Getting rid of the 250 class makes no sense, the...
In some cases, it would make sense to keep the 2 coasts for the 250 class. Getting rid of the 250 class makes no sense, the amount of competition is insane in it. Going to a 1 division 250 class would be cool too, but either way I find it entertaining. Although, the reasoning of 250 coast series doesn't make sense anymore, the reason it would be more cost effective and easier for a guy to race just a coast but the guys like that aren't going to be title contenders.
I think it still makes a lot of sense and having a coast series adds rides and also does allow a privateer to race an entire series easier and cheaper.

I just think in needs to clearly presented with a different format for the night show that it’s the feeder class. I think no 250 heats in the night show. And add an additional 450 main or something similar. Something that clearly identifies the superstars of the sport as unique.

Imagine if in an NBA game after each quarter a college quarter (With 95% of the talent but a slightlyUnnoticeably smaller ball) was played untill the end. And then an award was given to the winner of that game and then we came back to the last quarter of the NBA game. It’s just badly presented from a storytelling point of view. And we know how much Daniel Blair loves his storyline and structurally the story each night needs work.

Stories attract viewers and with some work on the presentation supercross has the athletes, the visuals, the danger, the excitement and the stories to attract anyone and everyone. It really is the best sport in the world
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sandtrack315 1/1/2020 4:36am
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Look, I love watching the 250 races as much as anyone. They are oftentimes the best races. And I ride a 250 over a 450 myself. But you can’t ignore that the people who write the big checks say they didn’t write one for supercross, number 1 reason being two classes.
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EnvyMedia 1/1/2020 4:41am
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All major motosports have multiple classes. MotoGP, Formula 1. Not to mention endurance racing. I’m not sure why 2 classes for MX would be hard to understand.
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If the viewers don't understand, then they are too stupid to watch the sport.

Stop trying to hook idiots, and appreciate the knowledgeable fanbase you have, instead of dumbing everything down for the Monster Truck mentality.

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JM485 wrote:
Why do the idiotic ideas seem to spike during supercross season, then mellow out once we return to the sanity of outdoors?
Jeff_Crutcher wrote:
Boredom reveals the devils work.
I rode yesterday, it was nice, didn't come up with any dumb ass ideas to post on vital.
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Look, I love watching the 250 races as much as anyone. They are oftentimes the best races. And I ride a 250 over a 450 myself...
Look, I love watching the 250 races as much as anyone. They are oftentimes the best races. And I ride a 250 over a 450 myself. But you can’t ignore that the people who write the big checks say they didn’t write one for supercross, number 1 reason being two classes.
What? No...
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So move all the 250's up into the main class, a class that already has a full gate. Well, I'm cool with that, but we need to get more gates on the starting line, like say, 40?, but we'll need more floor space. Hmmmm, what to do. I know, lets move the race out of the stadium. I bet we could get that many riders out onto the rural rolling hills. Hell yea, I bet no one ever thought of that. So, a 40 man gate outside with obstacles. Now, what to call it. I know, let's call it Kenworthys. Not sure how I came up with that, but I think its a stellar idea. Of course, now that we have all that space, lets say we get more bikes into the mix. You know, double the numbers of bikes to see in a day. I think you are on to something. I'm all in.Cool
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philG wrote:
If the viewers don't understand, then they are too stupid to watch the sport. Stop trying to hook idiots, and appreciate the knowledgeable fanbase you have...
If the viewers don't understand, then they are too stupid to watch the sport.

Stop trying to hook idiots, and appreciate the knowledgeable fanbase you have, instead of dumbing everything down for the Monster Truck mentality.

Those "idiot" fans are smart enough to see 2 classes running the same speed.

It's not about the bike.
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GforceCoatings 1/1/2020 8:16am
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As long there are lappers in the 450 main (w/o crashing) there is room for adding more top riders to the premier class. It's only 22 riders and 40% are lappers at most rounds. I'm all for 1 pro class in sx. Same as NFL/NBA. Rookies nut up and play with the big boys.
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8tensolutions wrote:
I think the system is great now other than the East/West on 250's. It is the highest level of the sport and shouldn't be regional. The...
I think the system is great now other than the East/West on 250's. It is the highest level of the sport and shouldn't be regional. The "real" Teams are running both coasts anyway. Make it one and the racing only gets better. Same exposure for all.
Zacka 161 wrote:
No. It’s the second highest level of the sport. The problem is its shown on TV as though it is. Increase the 450 racing, and exposure...
No. It’s the second highest level of the sport. The problem is its shown on TV as though it is.

Increase the 450 racing, and exposure and make the 250 a clear feeder class for the viewers.

Then separate the coverage, but keep it 17 rounds. The fact is the racing is sometimes much better in the 250 class and it helps bring exposure, sponsors, and money to the sport.
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Curious to hear what y’all think about Steve Astephens comment that we need a single supercross class on the Pulp MX show. This is in the...
Curious to hear what y’all think about Steve Astephens comment that we need a single supercross class on the Pulp MX show. This is in the context of amateurs finishing high school / racing a summer series, as well as a lot more purse money from the promoters. A single class, maybe at 350cc, would certainly simplify things for a lot of viewers.
Silly season is upon us.
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8tensolutions wrote:
I think the system is great now other than the East/West on 250's. It is the highest level of the sport and shouldn't be regional. The...
I think the system is great now other than the East/West on 250's. It is the highest level of the sport and shouldn't be regional. The "real" Teams are running both coasts anyway. Make it one and the racing only gets better. Same exposure for all.
Zacka 161 wrote:
No. It’s the second highest level of the sport. The problem is its shown on TV as though it is. Increase the 450 racing, and exposure...
No. It’s the second highest level of the sport. The problem is its shown on TV as though it is.

Increase the 450 racing, and exposure and make the 250 a clear feeder class for the viewers.

8tensolutions wrote:
Then separate the coverage, but keep it 17 rounds. The fact is the racing is sometimes much better in the 250 class and it helps bring...
Then separate the coverage, but keep it 17 rounds. The fact is the racing is sometimes much better in the 250 class and it helps bring exposure, sponsors, and money to the sport.
Hmm, sounds like College Football to me
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8tensolutions 1/1/2020 8:21am
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Zacka 161 wrote:
No. It’s the second highest level of the sport. The problem is its shown on TV as though it is. Increase the 450 racing, and exposure...
No. It’s the second highest level of the sport. The problem is its shown on TV as though it is.

Increase the 450 racing, and exposure and make the 250 a clear feeder class for the viewers.

8tensolutions wrote:
Then separate the coverage, but keep it 17 rounds. The fact is the racing is sometimes much better in the 250 class and it helps bring...
Then separate the coverage, but keep it 17 rounds. The fact is the racing is sometimes much better in the 250 class and it helps bring exposure, sponsors, and money to the sport.
Johnny Depp wrote:
Hmm, sounds like College Football to me
Good comparison.
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MX/SX isn't large enough to have separate media coverage like college and pro football.
If you separate it, you won't get coverage for the feeder class/lites/250SX.
And then you'd probably see a decline in SX attendance due to not enough racing action. As a fan I am not interested in spending the same amount of money to take the family to supercross for an evening and only see one class.

Feld is in the entertainment business and has to fill a 3 hour slot with the most entertainment. With one class - what would you do? More laps? One class would double the number of laps (or go back to semi's with more laps). We already have problems with lappers in 20 min main events.

With the long SX and MX season and burnout, running more time in one class doesn't make any sense. Probably makes more sense to place a cap on number of total laps/time on track these guys spend, and figure out how to make that more entertaining if practical.
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Phil109 1/1/2020 8:41am
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I’d like to see a full time 250 class like outdoors along with the 450’s, then throw in a regional 125cc two stroke class.
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8tensolutions wrote:
Then separate the coverage, but keep it 17 rounds. The fact is the racing is sometimes much better in the 250 class and it helps bring...
Then separate the coverage, but keep it 17 rounds. The fact is the racing is sometimes much better in the 250 class and it helps bring exposure, sponsors, and money to the sport.
Johnny Depp wrote:
Hmm, sounds like College Football to me
8tensolutions wrote:
Good comparison.
Yes and Depp just contradicted himself in his last two posts...

College sports are the feeder to the PRO’s and basically they are interchangeable with players, speed, stats, etc. only with different “championships”


Bottom line is supercross/Mx is > 50 years old and there hasn’t been any significant “thing”, race format, bike size, ancillary event, etc to put more folks in the stands or get a gross amount of more viewers. The more we change, the more we stay the same. Casual people just don’t get it, understand it, like it, and will only spectate, attend if there is absolutely nothing else goin on. Most of the people in the stands or on the fences are participants and that’s where the focus should be. Keep these people stoked so they can stoke those close to them to keep it afloat.

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