JS 7's influence, where are the young black guys in mx/sx?

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10/13/2019 2:34pm
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I loved motocross growing up and even raced Davey Coombs back in the late 70’s at the High Point Mini Bike Nats. Afterwards, my dad said...
I loved motocross growing up and even raced Davey Coombs back in the late 70’s at the High Point Mini Bike Nats. Afterwards, my dad said, do you want a car or two 125’s? You can’t have both. I caved to peer pressure as my neighborhood friends never understood the attraction.






My kid was better than I ever was, but he couldn’t be pushed or he would fold. It was very frustrating for someone with my competitive nature. Motocross is hard whether you are black, white, purple or from Mars. Not sure I’ll buy the grandchild a PW when that time comes. In fact, I think MX will be extinct in 15 years, Millennials are just too damn lazy. On a side note, I could have paid for an undergraduate degree from Rice University for him for what I spent in Motorhomes and over 30 bikes in our ten year stretch.
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Mark, So how did you get into mx? Was it through an family influence (family) or outside influence (school buddies, js7, mx mags). Personally, my parents...
Mark,

So how did you get into mx? Was it through an family influence (family) or outside influence (school buddies, js7, mx mags). Personally, my parents hated motorcycles, but my brother bought one and I got hooked on the mx mags he bought. I am always interested in how anyone gets involved.

Unfortunately, I agree about mx disappearing in the future. Culture has changed too much, Too few ‘informal riding areas’ (sand pits, gravel pits, grazing land) and too much enforcement. Don’t think I could even get my son on a bike, due to a fear of injury and helicopter mom. It’s is too bad as it is a great sport with great people.
Gncc and cc racing is getting huge. People want more ride time
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10/13/2019 3:06pm
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I think most of us are into moto because it has been passed down to us by our fathers. I don't think most black men were...
I think most of us are into moto because it has been passed down to us by our fathers. I don't think most black men were into moto back in the day. I think its that simple.
If you were born in the 50's and 60's motocross got passed down by the movie "On Any Sunday". There hasn't been another motorcycle movie made since that has come close to its impact.
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And for me....CHIPS. SoCal had it going on in the 70's. BMX, MX, skateboarding.....et al.
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10/13/2019 3:35pm
They are being smart and sticking to sports that give scholarships and actually pay well if they make it.
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10/13/2019 3:39pm Edited Date/Time 10/13/2019 7:28pm
Speaking of trophies and that pic with Junior, I do have a kinda cool story to share. The big one in the pic, I think its a 6'er. We were at Mosier for the GNC and I had Jr. signed up for the mini 4 stroke class (we had a BBR modded TTR big wheel. MA800 and Davi Millsaps were also in the class. Mikey was on a Varner tuned CR/XR conversion and Davi was on some type of Suzuki mini 4 stroke. I asked Mike if we could have whatever trophy he earned if he wasn't able to lap Junior. I told Junior, dude, you don't have a chance in hell of ever winning a GNC 1st place trophy, so go out there and don't get lapped. Junior got 10th place, trophied and didn't get lapped by either Mike or Davi. Even at that age, Mike was the consummate professional. Upon receiving his first place trophy, Mike gladly gave it to Junior. There were no hashtags back then, but little did Mike know, he made a #fanforlife.

Sorry for the thread hijack
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10/13/2019 3:50pm
mark293 wrote:
And for me....CHIPS. SoCal had it going on in the 70's. BMX, MX, skateboarding.....et al.
hah! I remember my childhood neighborhood buddy and I would rip around on our BMX bikes pretending we were Ponch and Jon. That show was awesome.
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10/13/2019 4:07pm Edited Date/Time 10/13/2019 4:09pm
mark293 wrote:
And for me....CHIPS. SoCal had it going on in the 70's. BMX, MX, skateboarding.....et al.
Smile Was just having this same conversation while sitting in a Mexican bar/ grill in Newport Beach last weekend sipping on the best $50.00 each margaritas I’ve ever had. California was all about everything this Southeast Texas kid wanted to be and do back in the 70’s-80’s.
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10/13/2019 4:12pm
mark293 wrote:
And for me....CHIPS. SoCal had it going on in the 70's. BMX, MX, skateboarding.....et al.
Alex.434 wrote:
hah! I remember my childhood neighborhood buddy and I would rip around on our BMX bikes pretending we were Ponch and Jon. That show was awesome.
I wanted to be a cop motorcycle mechanic because of Harlan on that show Huh Kinda weird, huh?
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10/13/2019 4:20pm Edited Date/Time 10/13/2019 4:40pm
mark293 wrote:
[b]Mark, So how did you get into mx? Was it through an family influence (family) or outside influence (school buddies, js7, mx mags). Personally, my parents...
Mark,

So how did you get into mx? Was it through an family influence (family) or outside influence (school buddies, js7, mx mags). Personally, my parents hated motorcycles, but my brother bought one and I got hooked on the mx mags he bought. I am always interested in how anyone gets involved.

Unfortunately, I agree about mx disappearing in the future. Culture has changed too much, Too few ‘informal riding areas’ (sand pits, gravel pits, grazing land) and too much enforcement. Don’t think I could even get my son on a bike, due to a fear of injury and helicopter mom. It’s is too bad as it is a great sport with great people.


I got a Sears B&S minibike for Christmas and rode the wheels off of that thing. My dad had a Cushman and we walked into a Kawasaki dealer and bought a KDX80 (or equivalent, God it was SLOW). I never got time to practice, because Pops was too busy working. Tried a couple of races and got roasted by Scooter Stafford, Bryan Abernathy and Ben Theriot. I told the old man if I had a real bike, I would be competitive. He called my bluff, drove me to Ennis Yamaha and there was a brand new YZ80D with my name on it along with a "sold" sign. That is still my greatest father/son moment. Was I faster? Yes, by a long shot. Someone told the old man about a national that was being hosted in Pennsylvania. I guess he thought since I started collecting a few trophies, that I was ready for the big time. My entire family piled in our Coupe de Ville that pulled a homemade trailer and headed for Morgantown, WV.

Remember the scene in from Talladega Nights?
https://youtu.be/10BediUjeiY

That was me pretty much at High Point.

I've been a police officer now for almost 30 years, and I will continue to say, "If the world was like the people at a motocross track, it would be a much better place to live in".
Imma jack your question. Most of us grew up in the city our parents worked very hard but they did not have the means or knowledge to get us involved into mx. I didn't start to really ride or race until I was into my 30s and old enough to buy my own bike. I bought my son a bike at 4 and tried to get him involved. He's 14 now and While he enjoys an occasional ride he has a million other things he would rather do than sit in a car and drive for an hr plus to ride. It is very hard to get kids to go outside to do anything today. And if you do, try to get them to do it without a phone or video game close by. Lol.
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10/13/2019 4:30pm
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I think it's pretty damn awesome see all colors of people , men and women alike in our sport! I truly wish every breed of person...
I think it's pretty damn awesome see all colors of people , men and women alike in our sport! I truly wish every breed of person out there to experience this sport. You can meet awesome people and it can be super family oriented. I have met and rode with quite a few black dudes that ride over the years , and it's always been a cool experience for myself , because I love seeing it. I don't see many Latino's or Asian's out there , but hope one day we will. Anything to help this sport grow , is all good with me.

Btw....Andy Jefferson was a badass!! One of my hero's as a kid!

Our United Nations at a Budds creek masters race
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When I learned what fast looked like
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The problem in moto is family’s to take their kids to the track!
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10/13/2019 5:16pm
BobbyM wrote:
I don't know how many black kids got into moto because of James but I do know one white kid that got out of moto.
It would have been interesting if RC would have stayed a few more years.
10/13/2019 5:20pm
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I pushed my YZ 80D almost half a mile to ride it in a field at the end of our street. When I was done riding...
I pushed my YZ 80D almost half a mile to ride it in a field at the end of our street. When I was done riding, I had to push it back home. My dad said if the police caught me riding on a public street, the Yamaha would be sold. You think today’s 10 year old is gonna push a bike a mile in full gear? Me thinks not, and I’m not exaggerating the distance.
BTDT.

Nice picture!
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10/13/2019 5:35pm
Thats turned out better than i expected.

Im not in the US so i only see the larger picture
and live where im a minority as a white guy.

(eg yesterday at a friendly enduro, about 6 to 120)
Some great replies.

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10/13/2019 5:38pm
I mean, I live in Utah and although it's been a couple years since I've hit a track there was usually a variety of people riding when I did. I can't say if James had anything to do with it but the riders were a lot more diverse than the pre-bubba days of my youth. My feeling is, and someone already mentioned this, that most of us got into moto because our dad rode or an uncle or someone in the family. Moto has never had the mainstream appeal to reach out much beyond those who were raised into it.
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10/13/2019 5:53pm
At my local track age, race, sex , weight doesn’t matter. Only how fast you are. That’s what gets respect. Nothing else. It’s always been like that.
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10/13/2019 6:30pm Edited Date/Time 10/13/2019 6:31pm
My dad grew up riding and racing in the 70s out here in L.A... And he took me to my first supercross race in 89 at 1 year old... (my mom was pissed, she and him still tell the story) anyway ive been hooked on mx/sx since then and im thankful my pops showed me the hobby./ life long obsession.
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10/13/2019 6:36pm
BobbyM wrote:
I don't know how many black kids got into moto because of James but I do know one white kid that got out of moto.
I've watched every series since 1991 and I have no idea WTF you're talking about.
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10/13/2019 6:58pm Edited Date/Time 10/13/2019 7:05pm
James got into motocross because his dad was into motocross, which is probably how most of us got into motocross.

Nearly 70% of black children are born to single mothers. Not a lot of opportunities out there for young black kids to be introduced to motocross. James was lucky to have a devoted dad, and mom.

Motocross really isn’t a sport you get into because you saw some other kid doing it. Usually a parent is involved. Almost always dad.

The sport was better with him in it. He was amazingly talented. We were lucky to have James.
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This is the guy who paved the way. Andy would come and do some racing in South Africa in the early 1980's [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/10/13/379283/s1200_Screenshot_20191013_190147_Samsung_Internet.jpg[/img]
This is the guy who paved the way. Andy would come and do some racing in South Africa in the early 1980's

Imagine how difficult that must have truly been as apartheid was still in full form at that time......
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10/13/2019 10:17pm
How is being inspired by JS any different than being inspired by KB or LbJ or MJ? Darn it, I’m 50 this year and JS STILL inspires me to this day, and I have no problem with that ;-)
Dude had talent drippping from all angles!
As a “white dude”, I can easily say the Stewart Family cracks it out o’ the Park when it comes to MX/SX in general. I would LOVE to be anywhere near as capable as them :-)
Same as :
RD
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BH
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RJ
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RV and Dunge...,
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10/14/2019 3:40am
Yeah, that's a reach. He had a target age of retirement that he stuck to and had just had twins. James didn't retire anyone.
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James got into motocross because his dad was into motocross, which is probably how most of us got into motocross. Nearly 70% of black children are...
James got into motocross because his dad was into motocross, which is probably how most of us got into motocross.

Nearly 70% of black children are born to single mothers. Not a lot of opportunities out there for young black kids to be introduced to motocross. James was lucky to have a devoted dad, and mom.

Motocross really isn’t a sport you get into because you saw some other kid doing it. Usually a parent is involved. Almost always dad.

The sport was better with him in it. He was amazingly talented. We were lucky to have James.
Very true.

And like some others have said, the sport just isn't thriving with new riders in general, for multiple reasons. Ideally, it would have been great to see James and Malcolm's influence bring in more interest from the black community. I just think there are a lot of other factors involved, since we aren't getting a lot of new-gen riders as a whole. I remember watching James on tv and Deion Sanders was talking to him and said something to the effect of 'black people don't do this stuff'. I thought that was kind of lame, even though I am sure it was just said in good fun. But I do think that it kinda shows that there is potential in black communities to not even consider MX as a sport or hobby that they would want to be a part of.
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10/14/2019 9:41am
You are looking at it all wrong...all of those he influenced are scrubbing around all over the nation...they just aren’t all black kids. I was a black kid once(lol) and a rider of my color never made me want to ride more...Bradshaw and Chicken did though, oh and the colors of the early 90s
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10/14/2019 9:43am
Also where are all the women in nascar? Danica wants to know...similar case study? Or maybe not...
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10/14/2019 11:19am
I think James certainly increased the exposure of the sport to African Americans and certainly increased its popularity, but there are so many other factors that go into choosing a sport besides that. Median income is 30k higher among white Americans than African Americans, so finances are certainly playing a role if you are choosing between a ball sport and motocross. It's not just finances, though, as you'd expect wealthier African Americans to be in the sport as well. Plus the sport has very few Asian-Americans, who have the highest median income in American. Regardless of the root causes, we should all hope for a more diverse group in the pits, both because this is a nation of immigrants and because the sport will prosper more if we have a wider tent.

I did see a group of African-Americans renting ATV's at Field of Dreams in NJ the other day and they obviously had a great time. I think most people are not willing to shell out the huge cost-of-entry for the sport before trying it, so it would be great to see more bike rental companies. I got into motocross because my friend had an XR100 I was able to try out. If all your friends play basketball, there is a low probability you are going to shell out 5k to try dirt bikes. But if you see James Stewart on TV and can try it for 200 bucks...
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10/14/2019 11:28am
Yeah, that's a reach. He had a target age of retirement that he stuck to and had just had twins. James didn't retire anyone.
Rc said himself he wasn't willing to put in that much more work to stay ahead of James. If not for James Rc would have raced for another 2 or 3 years IMHO
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10/14/2019 12:04pm
mark293 wrote:
I pushed my YZ 80D almost half a mile to ride it in a field at the end of our street. When I was done riding...
I pushed my YZ 80D almost half a mile to ride it in a field at the end of our street. When I was done riding, I had to push it back home. My dad said if the police caught me riding on a public street, the Yamaha would be sold. You think today’s 10 year old is gonna push a bike a mile in full gear? Me thinks not, and I’m not exaggerating the distance.
Well, when I was a kid, we’d push our YZ80s uphill both ways in the snow.
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