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karsmakers 9/29/2019 7:23pm
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tcallahan707 wrote:
It was quite similar conditions. We just aren't very good in wet sand. Sure, we may have gotten a podium if Cooper didn't crash but it's...
It was quite similar conditions. We just aren't very good in wet sand. Sure, we may have gotten a podium if Cooper didn't crash but it's not like our team rode well. No different than last year. It's not shocking though. Our guys don't ride anything like this and the MXGP guys do all winter long. The same could be said for hard pack.

It's frustrating as an American motocross fan. We simply aren't good enough unless it's smiling under the helmet type conditions.

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When are us Americans gonna realize the Euros have always been better than us in this shit. My god in the 90s we got smoked in...
When are us Americans gonna realize the Euros have always been better than us in this shit. My god in the 90s we got smoked in this and now. Look it up. When it comes to Mud/other conditions type stuff we are not as good. Not gonna change any time soon until we get a RC/Stew type talent.
Finally some truth. If there is rain, mud or sand a podium is our best shot. The last time it was dry we had it won if Anderson haden't got landed on after winning a moto or if Webb doesn't fall on the last lap.
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Has anyone mentioned starts? Got that grate thingy. I KNOW they have it in SX now. But the MXGP riders use it year around and in the wet, with a slick wet panel on the gate. Some technique to be used that they are accustomed to I suspect.
1 small thing in a million variables but obv starts are important.
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Pollock580 9/29/2019 7:54pm
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Huckster wrote:
Tim Gejser was arguably the best rider today. Yup Hoff went 1/1 but if TG didnt have that small tip over in moto 3 he walks...
Tim Gejser was arguably the best rider today. Yup Hoff went 1/1 but if TG didnt have that small tip over in moto 3 he walks away with the 1/1. He set the fastest lap time in moto 3 and handily won moto 1. He also is the reigning MXGP WC. He is going to line up on the gate at Monster Cup in a few weeks. When he gets beat by a guy like Barcia or Brayton on a Tamed down SX track, you will know EXACTLY why we are No Longer competitive at the MXoN.
Realistically though, Gasjer isn't coming off a 4 month long supercross championship. It's a totally irrelevant comparison.
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crowe176 wrote:
These kids deserve/earned to be there again next year for redemption.
yz133rider wrote:
This was another pretty brutal showing. Its gonna be a rough few days in here lol
Press516 wrote:
I don't know... They likely go P2 as expected if Anderson and Cooper don't get together. It's a woulda, shoulda for sure but I like what...
I don't know... They likely go P2 as expected if Anderson and Cooper don't get together. It's a woulda, shoulda for sure but I like what I saw considering everything.
How can you say they go p2 if something doesn’t happen? 6 teams could have contended for the top spot but they had something happen so do we just say those other teams could have won or gotten p2 if “..... didn’t happen” ?
As much as team America put a fight and spent time over there and done everyone proud, they were off the pace and you can’t argue that.
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Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
How do you explain last year, when this race was in your back yard?
jorgechavez wrote:
Which member of team USA last year is from Buchanan Michigan again?
Which of the riders from around the world that beat USA were from Assen again?
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yz133rider wrote:
This was another pretty brutal showing. Its gonna be a rough few days in here lol
Press516 wrote:
I don't know... They likely go P2 as expected if Anderson and Cooper don't get together. It's a woulda, shoulda for sure but I like what...
I don't know... They likely go P2 as expected if Anderson and Cooper don't get together. It's a woulda, shoulda for sure but I like what I saw considering everything.
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How can you say they go p2 if something doesn’t happen? 6 teams could have contended for the top spot but they had something happen so...
How can you say they go p2 if something doesn’t happen? 6 teams could have contended for the top spot but they had something happen so do we just say those other teams could have won or gotten p2 if “..... didn’t happen” ?
As much as team America put a fight and spent time over there and done everyone proud, they were off the pace and you can’t argue that.
I know, right? In moto 1 Anderson went from 39th to 8th in that crap... Just think if he had completed that first lap in 11th and Cooper had come around in say 15th. That one incident clearly was the difference from a clear P2 and what happened. Other incidents, DNF's etc, were a big impact to the results. None compare to the points hit the USA took. Why? Because it eliminated the MX2 rider from our score completely.

You guys can ignore my "woulda shoulda" and whine all you want, but the big picture is pretty clear.
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Mr. Afterbar 9/30/2019 6:11am
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Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
How do you explain last year, when this race was in your back yard?
jorgechavez wrote:
Which member of team USA last year is from Buchanan Michigan again?
colonel wrote:
Which of the riders from around the world that beat USA were from Assen again?
2 of them are from the Netherlands. None of the US guys were from Michigan. I thinks that's a better comparison, but it's irrelevant either way. The track is what it is. You show up and do the best you can.
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jorgechavez wrote:
Which member of team USA last year is from Buchanan Michigan again?
colonel wrote:
Which of the riders from around the world that beat USA were from Assen again?
Mr. Afterbar wrote:
2 of them are from the Netherlands. None of the US guys were from Michigan. I thinks that's a better comparison, but it's irrelevant either way...
2 of them are from the Netherlands. None of the US guys were from Michigan. I thinks that's a better comparison, but it's irrelevant either way. The track is what it is. You show up and do the best you can.
I see you point but the answer is no, multiple riders/team who were from other countries and areas beat USA so just cause you don't live in Michigan its not a reason for being beaten on home soil.

As you said - show up and do the best. Unfortunately for USA their best wasn't the winning result. Some teams didn't even go out for the last motos.

Im not bashing USA in any way here but they not the strongest Nation in outdoors anymore.
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Muscle-Milk-KTM 9/30/2019 6:24am
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Tim Gejser was arguably the best rider today. Yup Hoff went 1/1 but if TG didnt have that small tip over in moto 3 he walks...
Tim Gejser was arguably the best rider today. Yup Hoff went 1/1 but if TG didnt have that small tip over in moto 3 he walks away with the 1/1. He set the fastest lap time in moto 3 and handily won moto 1. He also is the reigning MXGP WC. He is going to line up on the gate at Monster Cup in a few weeks. When he gets beat by a guy like Barcia or Brayton on a Tamed down SX track, you will know EXACTLY why we are No Longer competitive at the MXoN.
You must’ve watched a different race to the rest of us but Gajser didn’t handily win the 1st race, Herlings was closing him down fast. If it wasn’t for Ferris & another rider that got in the way near the finish line, I’m pretty sure JH would’ve won the moto.
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RXR_Banjo 9/30/2019 6:26am
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colonel wrote:
Which of the riders from around the world that beat USA were from Assen again?
Mr. Afterbar wrote:
2 of them are from the Netherlands. None of the US guys were from Michigan. I thinks that's a better comparison, but it's irrelevant either way...
2 of them are from the Netherlands. None of the US guys were from Michigan. I thinks that's a better comparison, but it's irrelevant either way. The track is what it is. You show up and do the best you can.
colonel wrote:
I see you point but the answer is no, multiple riders/team who were from other countries and areas beat USA so just cause you don't live...
I see you point but the answer is no, multiple riders/team who were from other countries and areas beat USA so just cause you don't live in Michigan its not a reason for being beaten on home soil.

As you said - show up and do the best. Unfortunately for USA their best wasn't the winning result. Some teams didn't even go out for the last motos.

Im not bashing USA in any way here but they not the strongest Nation in outdoors anymore.
Let me be clear - I'm canadian but always been rooting for USA (as it is the main series that i follow sx and mx..)

We all agree the dutchs were too fast and they currently have the fastest team in the world and for years to come (Herlings Colden and their 2 EXCELLENT Mx2 riders..)

IMO, 2nd-3rd-4th-5th-6th was all for grab between Belgium france usa Germany .. it will be a good battle for the future MXON especially if all the teams bring their A team (not talkin about USA but Roczen.. france with their elite riders etc..)
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Mr. Afterbar 9/30/2019 7:17am
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colonel wrote:
I see you point but the answer is no, multiple riders/team who were from other countries and areas beat USA so just cause you don't live...
I see you point but the answer is no, multiple riders/team who were from other countries and areas beat USA so just cause you don't live in Michigan its not a reason for being beaten on home soil.

As you said - show up and do the best. Unfortunately for USA their best wasn't the winning result. Some teams didn't even go out for the last motos.

Im not bashing USA in any way here but they not the strongest Nation in outdoors anymore.
I didn't say they were the strongest Nation nor was I using it as an excuse for them getting beat on home soil. I said it's irrelevant, meaning it doesn't matter.
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O&GDriller 9/30/2019 7:22am
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What exactly is this thing called "luck" everybody is talking about and where can I buy some? Reading thru the posts on here it sounds like we should have bought more before the races began...

P.S. Another observation in reading the multitude of MXoN posts I've come to the realization that "IF" is an awfully big word for two letters.
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theesloth 9/30/2019 8:01am
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JFerry wrote:
You have the right not to agree. And no, crashing is never bad luck. If you don´t like my comments, I accept that, I believe there...
You have the right not to agree. And no, crashing is never bad luck. If you don´t like my comments, I accept that, I believe there is an ignore option somewhere. Do you homework because you don´t need to be bothered by nobody..
Crashing is NEVER bad luck? You can't honestly be serious.
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crusty_xx 9/30/2019 8:16am
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JFerry wrote:
You have the right not to agree. And no, crashing is never bad luck. If you don´t like my comments, I accept that, I believe there...
You have the right not to agree. And no, crashing is never bad luck. If you don´t like my comments, I accept that, I believe there is an ignore option somewhere. Do you homework because you don´t need to be bothered by nobody..
theesloth wrote:
Crashing is NEVER bad luck? You can't honestly be serious.
Anderson crashed on purpose I believe
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colonel wrote:
I see you point but the answer is no, multiple riders/team who were from other countries and areas beat USA so just cause you don't live...
I see you point but the answer is no, multiple riders/team who were from other countries and areas beat USA so just cause you don't live in Michigan its not a reason for being beaten on home soil.

As you said - show up and do the best. Unfortunately for USA their best wasn't the winning result. Some teams didn't even go out for the last motos.

Im not bashing USA in any way here but they not the strongest Nation in outdoors anymore.
Mr. Afterbar wrote:
I didn't say they were the strongest Nation nor was I using it as an excuse for them getting beat on home soil. I said it's...
I didn't say they were the strongest Nation nor was I using it as an excuse for them getting beat on home soil. I said it's irrelevant, meaning it doesn't matter.
I never said you did at all. You have read my post the wrong way I understood your post.
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Huckster wrote:
Tim Gejser was arguably the best rider today. Yup Hoff went 1/1 but if TG didnt have that small tip over in moto 3 he walks...
Tim Gejser was arguably the best rider today. Yup Hoff went 1/1 but if TG didnt have that small tip over in moto 3 he walks away with the 1/1. He set the fastest lap time in moto 3 and handily won moto 1. He also is the reigning MXGP WC. He is going to line up on the gate at Monster Cup in a few weeks. When he gets beat by a guy like Barcia or Brayton on a Tamed down SX track, you will know EXACTLY why we are No Longer competitive at the MXoN.
Muscle-Milk-KTM wrote:
You must’ve watched a different race to the rest of us but Gajser didn’t handily win the 1st race, Herlings was closing him down fast. If...
You must’ve watched a different race to the rest of us but Gajser didn’t handily win the 1st race, Herlings was closing him down fast. If it wasn’t for Ferris & another rider that got in the way near the finish line, I’m pretty sure JH would’ve won the moto.
think we were both watching a different race to him.
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crowe176 wrote:
These kids deserve/earned to be there again next year for redemption.
Boomslang wrote:
Kids?
rehan53 wrote:
You’ll understand when you grow up.
In what world is a 30 year old man with a wife and a kid of his own a “kid”? Give the guy some respect...
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JFerry 9/30/2019 8:59am
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JFerry wrote:
You have the right not to agree. And no, crashing is never bad luck. If you don´t like my comments, I accept that, I believe there...
You have the right not to agree. And no, crashing is never bad luck. If you don´t like my comments, I accept that, I believe there is an ignore option somewhere. Do you homework because you don´t need to be bothered by nobody..
theesloth wrote:
Crashing is NEVER bad luck? You can't honestly be serious.
crusty_xx wrote:
Anderson crashed on purpose I believe
Yes he did. All top 450 boys were gone. He is not able to keep the pace and run with the 250s. Bad luck?. Get a good start, with an official 450 and bad luck solved.
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Press516 9/30/2019 9:10am
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theesloth wrote:
Crashing is NEVER bad luck? You can't honestly be serious.
crusty_xx wrote:
Anderson crashed on purpose I believe
JFerry wrote:
Yes he did. All top 450 boys were gone. He is not able to keep the pace and run with the 250s. Bad luck?. Get a...
Yes he did. All top 450 boys were gone. He is not able to keep the pace and run with the 250s. Bad luck?. Get a good start, with an official 450 and bad luck solved.
Running 10th and 11th? ROFL... Nobody can take you seriously.
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Wells423 wrote:
We need to stop sending 250 guys on the 250. No offense to Cooper as I know shit can happen to anyone but we had better...
We need to stop sending 250 guys on the 250. No offense to Cooper as I know shit can happen to anyone but we had better options. If we’re going to keep sending the B team why send a team at all?
The team that signs up and goes IS our A team for the weekend. Cooper was pretty good up until the crash. He pulled the holeshot on an outside gate Saturday and won the qualifier. He helped to take us from a 31st to a 3rd gate position.

What better options are you talking about? Who else wanted to go early?
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RXR_Banjo 9/30/2019 9:21am
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Cooper was easily the fastest MX2 rider there no doubt!
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JFerry wrote:
You have the right not to agree. And no, crashing is never bad luck. If you don´t like my comments, I accept that, I believe there...
You have the right not to agree. And no, crashing is never bad luck. If you don´t like my comments, I accept that, I believe there is an ignore option somewhere. Do you homework because you don´t need to be bothered by nobody..
theesloth wrote:
Crashing is NEVER bad luck? You can't honestly be serious.
JFerry has a myopic view and will defend it no matter how ridiculous.

Bad luck crashing... so Anderson is just riding along, and gets hit by someone else, and gets taken down, that is not bad luck (misfortune)?
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Press516 9/30/2019 9:46am
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RXR_Banjo wrote:
Cooper was easily the fastest MX2 rider there no doubt!
In good conditions? Probably.... Outside of Prado, I don't see anyone "consistently" beating him in that group. But we race in all conditions. And there is no doubt in my mind that poor weather has a bigger impact on the US riders than the GP riders.
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tcallahan707 wrote:
It was quite similar conditions. We just aren't very good in wet sand. Sure, we may have gotten a podium if Cooper didn't crash but it's...
It was quite similar conditions. We just aren't very good in wet sand. Sure, we may have gotten a podium if Cooper didn't crash but it's not like our team rode well. No different than last year. It's not shocking though. Our guys don't ride anything like this and the MXGP guys do all winter long. The same could be said for hard pack.

It's frustrating as an American motocross fan. We simply aren't good enough unless it's smiling under the helmet type conditions.

So "we just aren't very good in wet sand."

Race 1, Cooper and Ando collided in the start pack and go down. From near last, Ando finished 17th. Cooper finishes 25th from last with NO CLUTCH, and a messed up hand.

Race 2, Zach finishes 5TH. Cooper races anyway with a bad clutch hand (after Decoster gives him an out for the moto).

Race 3, Ando finishes 8th OA and Zach 13th.

Considering 40 riders per class and they fought back from 13th to 6th OA, I think they did pretty good in wet conditions.
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Huckster 9/30/2019 1:31pm
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Huckster wrote:
Tim Gejser was arguably the best rider today. Yup Hoff went 1/1 but if TG didnt have that small tip over in moto 3 he walks...
Tim Gejser was arguably the best rider today. Yup Hoff went 1/1 but if TG didnt have that small tip over in moto 3 he walks away with the 1/1. He set the fastest lap time in moto 3 and handily won moto 1. He also is the reigning MXGP WC. He is going to line up on the gate at Monster Cup in a few weeks. When he gets beat by a guy like Barcia or Brayton on a Tamed down SX track, you will know EXACTLY why we are No Longer competitive at the MXoN.
Muscle-Milk-KTM wrote:
You must’ve watched a different race to the rest of us but Gajser didn’t handily win the 1st race, Herlings was closing him down fast. If...
You must’ve watched a different race to the rest of us but Gajser didn’t handily win the 1st race, Herlings was closing him down fast. If it wasn’t for Ferris & another rider that got in the way near the finish line, I’m pretty sure JH would’ve won the moto.
colonel wrote:
think we were both watching a different race to him.
Gejser managed the race like the true champ that he is.
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crusty_xx 9/30/2019 1:56pm
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theesloth wrote:
Crashing is NEVER bad luck? You can't honestly be serious.
crusty_xx wrote:
Anderson crashed on purpose I believe
JFerry wrote:
Yes he did. All top 450 boys were gone. He is not able to keep the pace and run with the 250s. Bad luck?. Get a...
Yes he did. All top 450 boys were gone. He is not able to keep the pace and run with the 250s. Bad luck?. Get a good start, with an official 450 and bad luck solved.
I don't think you're very smart Sir
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kpiper 9/30/2019 4:41pm
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They are just better than us at motocross right now. Pretty simple. Does not mean we can't do well on occasion but the days of us winning are gone unless we up our game somehow. And with SX being the main focus it probably won't happen.

Without that first lap Cooper/Anderson 'bad luck' they probably would have podiumed though. They gave a great effort and I am proud of them. Hope they want to go back next year!

Minus the rain, I thought the track looked like a lot of fun to ride. Not really the proper venue though for this race IMO.

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Need Tomac. That's it.
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They are just better than us at motocross right now. Pretty simple. Does not mean we can't do well on occasion but the days of us...
They are just better than us at motocross right now. Pretty simple. Does not mean we can't do well on occasion but the days of us winning are gone unless we up our game somehow. And with SX being the main focus it probably won't happen.

Without that first lap Cooper/Anderson 'bad luck' they probably would have podiumed though. They gave a great effort and I am proud of them. Hope they want to go back next year!

Minus the rain, I thought the track looked like a lot of fun to ride. Not really the proper venue though for this race IMO.

I'm not sure how many "proper venues" there are in motocross for these events. They've gotten so big that just about any traditional track is going to struggle with the requirements from both the event side (VIP areas, fan services, etc.), and the public side (parking, viewing areas, etc.)
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Press516 9/30/2019 5:06pm
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WCRider wrote:
Need Tomac. That's it.
At Ernee and in good weather, Tomac is the guy to have on the team... But I want him to want to go. To fight for it if Kawi doesn't want to. Show the passion..... Then he will be the right guy to have on the team. JMHO
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