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yz133rider 8/17/2019 6:43pm
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I ordered a set for my 18 rmz450. Cant wait to get them. Hoping they make it midweek to use this weekend at a race.
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MX558 8/20/2019 9:52am
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ML you didn't have to drive these over to my house . I ordered these on the 16th and received them the 19th , awesome service thanks . I will try to install at the track this Friday
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Zerofear66 8/20/2019 12:07pm
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Anyone try these on 2018 CRF450?
Medium and medium?
Thoughts?
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Does it also work on a 2-stroke? Will they come for an sx250 2019?

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MXVet261 8/21/2019 11:25am
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Ordered a set for my '18 RMZ450. Been reading about these for a long time, going back to JGR setting the bike up initially.

I might not be fast anymore, but I can trick my bike out! LOL. Funny how that works...back when I was actually decent at racing I didn't have any money and rode bone stock bikes. Now I'm old and slow and trick my bikes out.
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mg311 8/22/2019 12:12pm
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finally today i rode my 19 crf 450 with the mounts on. Bike change it is easier to ride i can lean with more confidence but the thing that give me a laugh is that i can use an aggressive map on hard pack terrain very impressive how engine mounts change the ride. Now i have to ldial with suspension click for a nice fine tuning .I suggest to buy
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FortyHat 8/22/2019 6:36pm
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I have a set for my 19 KX450, and wasn't able to do a real before/after test because I had a couple weeks of time since the last ride on the old mounts. I will say though that the one thing I think is different is cornering. I feel like it is easier to initiate the turn-in, and even change from one line to another (deciding between ruts late based on what the guy ahead decides). Bike just seems a little more like the 2 stroke I came off of in nimbleness than I remember it. And I've been better at getting into and staying leaned in rutted corners since as well. I haven't done anything else though so I dunno. I would definitely buy again if I had my money back. Bike feels unreal.


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Stevehrc 8/22/2019 9:12pm
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Ordered mine last week, keen to test them out once in the land down under. Went soft and medium fronts for my 18 crf250r. Michael Lindsay, do you have a torque spec recommend or just factory spec
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CarlinoJoeVideo 8/22/2019 10:21pm
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Stevehrc wrote:
Ordered mine last week, keen to test them out once in the land down under. Went soft and medium fronts for my 18 crf250r. Michael Lindsay...
Ordered mine last week, keen to test them out once in the land down under. Went soft and medium fronts for my 18 crf250r. Michael Lindsay, do you have a torque spec recommend or just factory spec
Did you get uppers also?

For the soft lowers I did stock torque spec.

For the medium lowers I did -2ftlb from stock

The soft uppers I did stock torque but ML recommended -2ftlb first.
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Stevehrc 8/23/2019 12:03am
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Stevehrc wrote:
Ordered mine last week, keen to test them out once in the land down under. Went soft and medium fronts for my 18 crf250r. Michael Lindsay...
Ordered mine last week, keen to test them out once in the land down under. Went soft and medium fronts for my 18 crf250r. Michael Lindsay, do you have a torque spec recommend or just factory spec
CarlinoJoeVideo wrote:
Did you get uppers also? For the soft lowers I did stock torque spec. For the medium lowers I did -2ftlb from stock The soft uppers...
Did you get uppers also?

For the soft lowers I did stock torque spec.

For the medium lowers I did -2ftlb from stock

The soft uppers I did stock torque but ML recommended -2ftlb first.
Thanks Joe, yes I got the soft uppers and medium lowers. Thanks for the info 🤙
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CarlinoJoeVideo 8/23/2019 4:56pm
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Stevehrc wrote:
Ordered mine last week, keen to test them out once in the land down under. Went soft and medium fronts for my 18 crf250r. Michael Lindsay...
Ordered mine last week, keen to test them out once in the land down under. Went soft and medium fronts for my 18 crf250r. Michael Lindsay, do you have a torque spec recommend or just factory spec
CarlinoJoeVideo wrote:
Did you get uppers also? For the soft lowers I did stock torque spec. For the medium lowers I did -2ftlb from stock The soft uppers...
Did you get uppers also?

For the soft lowers I did stock torque spec.

For the medium lowers I did -2ftlb from stock

The soft uppers I did stock torque but ML recommended -2ftlb first.
Stevehrc wrote:
Thanks Joe, yes I got the soft uppers and medium lowers. Thanks for the info 🤙
If you can try riding stock then switch them at the track. Interested to hear your thoughts.

I did 2 motos on stock, then changed the uppers with 1 moto, changed the lowers and did 2 motos. Really fun to feel the changes. I did some suspension changes as the mounts changed as well.
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JakeT 8/23/2019 6:06pm
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FortyHat wrote:
I have a set for my 19 KX450, and wasn't able to do a real before/after test because I had a couple weeks of time since...
I have a set for my 19 KX450, and wasn't able to do a real before/after test because I had a couple weeks of time since the last ride on the old mounts. I will say though that the one thing I think is different is cornering. I feel like it is easier to initiate the turn-in, and even change from one line to another (deciding between ruts late based on what the guy ahead decides). Bike just seems a little more like the 2 stroke I came off of in nimbleness than I remember it. And I've been better at getting into and staying leaned in rutted corners since as well. I haven't done anything else though so I dunno. I would definitely buy again if I had my money back. Bike feels unreal.


What combo are you kx450 guys getting? Medium/medium?
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Stevehrc 8/23/2019 6:42pm
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CarlinoJoeVideo wrote:
Did you get uppers also? For the soft lowers I did stock torque spec. For the medium lowers I did -2ftlb from stock The soft uppers...
Did you get uppers also?

For the soft lowers I did stock torque spec.

For the medium lowers I did -2ftlb from stock

The soft uppers I did stock torque but ML recommended -2ftlb first.
Stevehrc wrote:
Thanks Joe, yes I got the soft uppers and medium lowers. Thanks for the info 🤙
CarlinoJoeVideo wrote:
If you can try riding stock then switch them at the track. Interested to hear your thoughts. I did 2 motos on stock, then changed the...
If you can try riding stock then switch them at the track. Interested to hear your thoughts.

I did 2 motos on stock, then changed the uppers with 1 moto, changed the lowers and did 2 motos. Really fun to feel the changes. I did some suspension changes as the mounts changed as well.
That's exactly my plan after watching J walks YouTube vid. After watching his video that's what pushed me to try them. I have played with stock mounts with various holes drilled in them before on my old 2010 crf250r, but these fcp mounts look too bitchin to me to refuse
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ML512 8/23/2019 6:59pm
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Stevehrc wrote:
Thanks Joe, yes I got the soft uppers and medium lowers. Thanks for the info 🤙
CarlinoJoeVideo wrote:
If you can try riding stock then switch them at the track. Interested to hear your thoughts. I did 2 motos on stock, then changed the...
If you can try riding stock then switch them at the track. Interested to hear your thoughts.

I did 2 motos on stock, then changed the uppers with 1 moto, changed the lowers and did 2 motos. Really fun to feel the changes. I did some suspension changes as the mounts changed as well.
Stevehrc wrote:
That's exactly my plan after watching J walks YouTube vid. After watching his video that's what pushed me to try them. I have played with stock...
That's exactly my plan after watching J walks YouTube vid. After watching his video that's what pushed me to try them. I have played with stock mounts with various holes drilled in them before on my old 2010 crf250r, but these fcp mounts look too bitchin to me to refuse
These aren’t FCP, these are all from Works Chassis Lab.
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FortyHat 8/23/2019 7:06pm
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JakeT wrote:
What combo are you kx450 guys getting? Medium/medium?
Yes sir that's the combo I ordered.
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Stevehrc 8/23/2019 8:15pm
8/23/2019 8:15pm
ML512 wrote:
These aren’t FCP, these are all from Works Chassis Lab.
Fixed
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adams189 8/27/2019 5:05pm
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Has anyone put these on a 2019 YZ 450? Looking for a review but do not see one anywhere?

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Adam89 8/27/2019 11:41pm
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Why did people give him thumbs down lol? He simply asked a question for someone that is active on these forums?
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MXVet261 9/3/2019 8:03am
9/3/2019 8:03am Edited Date/Time 9/3/2019 8:04am
Got a chance to install my mounts and ride my RMZ at Red Bud over the weekend. Being sandy RB isn't the perfect test track, but I certainly did notice a very positive change!

My one question remaining is, why would the OEMs build these bikes so rigid in the first place? This goes for all of them not just Zook...



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ML512 9/3/2019 8:48am
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MXVet261 wrote:
Got a chance to install my mounts and ride my RMZ at Red Bud over the weekend. Being sandy RB isn't the perfect test track, but...
Got a chance to install my mounts and ride my RMZ at Red Bud over the weekend. Being sandy RB isn't the perfect test track, but I certainly did notice a very positive change!

My one question remaining is, why would the OEMs build these bikes so rigid in the first place? This goes for all of them not just Zook...



Glad you’re enjoying your new setup. Cool
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TSCHAM101 9/3/2019 9:36am
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MXVet261 wrote:
Got a chance to install my mounts and ride my RMZ at Red Bud over the weekend. Being sandy RB isn't the perfect test track, but...
Got a chance to install my mounts and ride my RMZ at Red Bud over the weekend. Being sandy RB isn't the perfect test track, but I certainly did notice a very positive change!

My one question remaining is, why would the OEMs build these bikes so rigid in the first place? This goes for all of them not just Zook...



ML512 wrote:
Glad you’re enjoying your new setup. Cool
anybody know why they make the stockers so stiff?
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colintrax 9/3/2019 1:13pm
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TSCHAM101 wrote:
anybody know why they make the stockers so stiff?
AMA guys have to run a production frame, it's a good bet the frames are set up for faster riders. Why the factories dont use triple clamps, engine mounts, and bolts to make them softer for us slow people? Idk. Maybe most of the test riders for the factories are retired pros? I like my older KTM frame. KXF frame felt like it was a huge I beam. Hondas will rattle my teeth out.
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Bruce372 9/3/2019 1:42pm
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TSCHAM101 wrote:
anybody know why they make the stockers so stiff?
colintrax wrote:
AMA guys have to run a production frame, it's a good bet the frames are set up for faster riders. Why the factories dont use triple...
AMA guys have to run a production frame, it's a good bet the frames are set up for faster riders. Why the factories dont use triple clamps, engine mounts, and bolts to make them softer for us slow people? Idk. Maybe most of the test riders for the factories are retired pros? I like my older KTM frame. KXF frame felt like it was a huge I beam. Hondas will rattle my teeth out.
Maybe they arent stiff? Maybe its placebo effect, the power of suggestion? Has anyone actually found a mechanical method for measuring all this flex?

Maybe take a friend to the track, have them remove the engine mounts and cover them with duct tape... no peaking, then run a few laps,. come back in and have your friend randomly swap them in and out and cover them up again.

Its called a blind experiment, used to work around subjective conclusions.

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Ozzy 9/3/2019 2:18pm
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CAREFUL PEOPLE!
LOOKS can be DECEIVING!!
Changing the Torque Spec can bring a different feel.
Unless said Motor Mounts & or Engine Hangers are modeled & run through proper Engineering FEA Analysis you may be buying parts on looks & appearance alone!!
Most mortals won’t even feel a big difference for the Price.
Again, just cause it’s Pretty doesn’t mean it’s so!!
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Rotaholic 9/3/2019 2:23pm
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All these mods and forces can be simulated in a cad program like solid works etc......
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cablecable 9/3/2019 2:25pm
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TSCHAM101 wrote:
anybody know why they make the stockers so stiff?
colintrax wrote:
AMA guys have to run a production frame, it's a good bet the frames are set up for faster riders. Why the factories dont use triple...
AMA guys have to run a production frame, it's a good bet the frames are set up for faster riders. Why the factories dont use triple clamps, engine mounts, and bolts to make them softer for us slow people? Idk. Maybe most of the test riders for the factories are retired pros? I like my older KTM frame. KXF frame felt like it was a huge I beam. Hondas will rattle my teeth out.
Bruce372 wrote:
Maybe they arent stiff? Maybe its placebo effect, the power of suggestion? Has anyone actually found a mechanical method for measuring all this flex? Maybe take...
Maybe they arent stiff? Maybe its placebo effect, the power of suggestion? Has anyone actually found a mechanical method for measuring all this flex?

Maybe take a friend to the track, have them remove the engine mounts and cover them with duct tape... no peaking, then run a few laps,. come back in and have your friend randomly swap them in and out and cover them up again.

Its called a blind experiment, used to work around subjective conclusions.

lol thats exactly what i was about to post, none of these vet turkeys would have any idea blind swapping parts like this. id even like to see the same test with michael with 3 different versions and the stockers
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Ozzy 9/3/2019 3:11pm
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Rotaholic wrote:
All these mods and forces can be simulated in a cad program like solid works etc......
That’s a proper design step, however, there’s more to it than that!!
Example:
I know a Prominent Company yrs ago who had Billet Wheels built overseas in China.
I won’t mention their name.
The Samples looked Great.
They looked Factory!!
I told them to use Caution, based on my experience, etc.
To properly have the wheels reverse engineered & run through analysis was
around $20 Grand.
They also, thought my suggestion was overkill!!
Needless to say, they didn’t listen.
At the end of the day, they wish they had listened to me..it would’ve been money well spent as their whole Wheel Deal was a Total Flop.
Moral to the Story?
Looks are Deceiving.
Quality Costs👌
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TeamGreen 9/3/2019 4:45pm
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Ozzy wrote:
CAREFUL PEOPLE! LOOKS can be DECEIVING!! Changing the Torque Spec can bring a different feel. Unless said Motor Mounts & or Engine Hangers are modeled &...
CAREFUL PEOPLE!
LOOKS can be DECEIVING!!
Changing the Torque Spec can bring a different feel.
Unless said Motor Mounts & or Engine Hangers are modeled & run through proper Engineering FEA Analysis you may be buying parts on looks & appearance alone!!
Most mortals won’t even feel a big difference for the Price.
Again, just cause it’s Pretty doesn’t mean it’s so!!
What he's saying here is ABSOLUTE FACT. I'm currently involved in design & materials testing for chassis components...and Dave's 100% correct...so...

HowTF does that merit a "thumbs down"? Laughing
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GrapeApe 9/3/2019 4:57pm
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Ozzy wrote:
CAREFUL PEOPLE! LOOKS can be DECEIVING!! Changing the Torque Spec can bring a different feel. Unless said Motor Mounts & or Engine Hangers are modeled &...
CAREFUL PEOPLE!
LOOKS can be DECEIVING!!
Changing the Torque Spec can bring a different feel.
Unless said Motor Mounts & or Engine Hangers are modeled & run through proper Engineering FEA Analysis you may be buying parts on looks & appearance alone!!
Most mortals won’t even feel a big difference for the Price.
Again, just cause it’s Pretty doesn’t mean it’s so!!
TeamGreen wrote:
What he's saying here is ABSOLUTE FACT. I'm currently involved in design & materials testing for chassis components...and Dave's 100% correct...so... HowTF does that merit a...
What he's saying here is ABSOLUTE FACT. I'm currently involved in design & materials testing for chassis components...and Dave's 100% correct...so...

HowTF does that merit a "thumbs down"? Laughing
Because he's calling ML512 a snake oil salesman?
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