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DeStouwer 8/8/2019 12:33am
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Bidirella wrote:
Does someone know where Forato is going? Is Maddi making the jump to GPs fulltime or is he switching teams? Would like to see him go...
Does someone know where Forato is going? Is Maddi making the jump to GPs fulltime or is he switching teams?

Would like to see him go to F&H racing and work with De Reuver.. Him with Roan would be a powerfull couple and hunting down allot of Podiums!
tek14 wrote:
I think Malin said that Maddi will go to MXGP with him.
I read that Maddii signed a multiple year deal with Guadagnini. I'm not sure about Forato.

Actually, I don't get all the fuss about Forato...All of this because he rode one (!) good GP as a wildcard (his second one in Mantova was a lot less heroic, but everyone seems to forget about that). His results in EMX250 are not that impressive either (this season not considered)

2016: 23rd in the final standings (best finish: 4-6 at his homerace in Mantova, other results were mediocre at best)
2017: 4th in the final standings. This seemed to be his breakthrough season
2018: 14th in the final standings

Offcourse, he's still only 19 years old, but during his career in EMX250 he saw guys like Prado, TKO, Geerts, Lawrence, Sanayei, Vaessen, Boisramé, Walsh, Strubhart-Moreau, Lesiardo, Vialle,... come into the class from EMX125 and leave to MX2, to the next step in their careers. It seems as if he keeps on pedaling on the same spot.

Sure, he can haul ass. I'm just not that convinced that he can compete at the front of MX2 for a full season. Let alone in MXGP. Does he earns a spot in MX2? Ofcourse he does! Not bashing on the guy, but he hasn't done that much to convince me to be a frontrunner in the worldchampionship.

I hope he proves me wrong.
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THE mx addict 8/8/2019 1:27am
8/8/2019 1:27am
Bidirella wrote:
Does someone know where Forato is going? Is Maddi making the jump to GPs fulltime or is he switching teams? Would like to see him go...
Does someone know where Forato is going? Is Maddi making the jump to GPs fulltime or is he switching teams?

Would like to see him go to F&H racing and work with De Reuver.. Him with Roan would be a powerfull couple and hunting down allot of Podiums!
tek14 wrote:
I think Malin said that Maddi will go to MXGP with him.
I didnt hear that.
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RG1 8/8/2019 1:32am
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Forato should be in demand. He was very strong at the gp in valkenswaard. As for f&h they have roan vd moosdijk. And it would be...
Forato should be in demand. He was very strong at the gp in valkenswaard.
As for f&h they have roan vd moosdijk. And it would be a shocker if pootjes wont join them.
Dutch, allready trains with f&h, and his gf is teammanager at f&h. At the final dutch masters he would ride, give his bike to the team diga mechanic and go sit at f&h.
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roninho 8/8/2019 2:24am
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I read that Maddii signed a multiple year deal with Guadagnini. I'm not sure about Forato. Actually, I don't get all the fuss about Forato...All of...
I read that Maddii signed a multiple year deal with Guadagnini. I'm not sure about Forato.

Actually, I don't get all the fuss about Forato...All of this because he rode one (!) good GP as a wildcard (his second one in Mantova was a lot less heroic, but everyone seems to forget about that). His results in EMX250 are not that impressive either (this season not considered)

2016: 23rd in the final standings (best finish: 4-6 at his homerace in Mantova, other results were mediocre at best)
2017: 4th in the final standings. This seemed to be his breakthrough season
2018: 14th in the final standings

Offcourse, he's still only 19 years old, but during his career in EMX250 he saw guys like Prado, TKO, Geerts, Lawrence, Sanayei, Vaessen, Boisramé, Walsh, Strubhart-Moreau, Lesiardo, Vialle,... come into the class from EMX125 and leave to MX2, to the next step in their careers. It seems as if he keeps on pedaling on the same spot.

Sure, he can haul ass. I'm just not that convinced that he can compete at the front of MX2 for a full season. Let alone in MXGP. Does he earns a spot in MX2? Ofcourse he does! Not bashing on the guy, but he hasn't done that much to convince me to be a frontrunner in the worldchampionship.

I hope he proves me wrong.
I don't see a champ in him, but do think he is a good guy to have for a non factory team, even though 1 gp is a small sample. But my interest in him is a combination of:
* Had a good GP at Valkenswaard, scoring a 7th place
* He is winning in EMX250 against strong competition. Rubini has never raced a full gp season but scored 6 motos in the top 10 (including a 5th), vd Moosdijk scored a 5th in Portugal this year, Horgmo & Hofer are easily beaten by Forato and they scored combined 36 points in Czech republic
* He has a couple of years in mx2 left.

I mean if a guy like Mitch Harrison can get a new deal for 2020 with a decent team after only going into the top 10 once this year i can for sure see a lot of teams being interested in Forato

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Bidirella wrote:
Does someone know where Forato is going? Is Maddi making the jump to GPs fulltime or is he switching teams? Would like to see him go...
Does someone know where Forato is going? Is Maddi making the jump to GPs fulltime or is he switching teams?

Would like to see him go to F&H racing and work with De Reuver.. Him with Roan would be a powerfull couple and hunting down allot of Podiums!
tek14 wrote:
I think Malin said that Maddi will go to MXGP with him.
THE mx addict wrote:
I didnt hear that.
It could have been Guadanini my mistake.
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Forato has been awesome this year, his results dont show the full story.. where he has had crashes and bad starts he has motored through the pack, did it at Kegums , did it at Lommel , and had a crash in the process. He just makes headway, and for a big guy absolutely flies on a 250. I see him being the next big Italian, even if he has to go 450 early because of his size.
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Bidirella 8/8/2019 3:47am
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If he gets a good bike and team he Forato will be a front runner in GP MX2. All the years before he was on a slow Honda and with his body and weight it cost him. Now he is on a Husky and his riding and speed is way better. He and Moosdijk are the only one who can come true the field after a bad start or crash. He is not lacking fitness or power.

With allot of top guys moving to MXGP and dont see a reason why he cant run op front, same with #39 and #118.

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MXMattii 8/8/2019 4:56pm
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Hutten is probably putting in a lot of money. But to be at the level of Standing Construct or other privateer teams they should go, for...
Hutten is probably putting in a lot of money. But to be at the level of Standing Construct or other privateer teams they should go, for example +50% or +60% at the budget... Going from 100% to 150% is much specially when you talk about a number that would be around 800k maybe even higher. They need to upgrade riders, maybe upgrade some staff...

When they drop down to the EMX250 series, they can maybe drop their budget to 75% of what they are running in the MXGP series. Because then they can count on support of Yamaha. This because Yamaha needs a new official EMX250 team. With a budget from around 500k they will blow most of teams in the EMX250 class out of the water and they can deliver a nice envorement for three Yamaha riders chasing a EMX250 title. And if they are fighting for the championship the coverage of the team will even grow instead of now where Van der Mierde en Micha-Boy de Waal are riding their best MXGP season of their live and getting their best results of their lives but nobody really cares.
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Thanks, that makes sense. I guess the only downside (for the dutch people) is that will likely mean foreign riders, so we lose a dutch team...
Thanks, that makes sense.

I guess the only downside (for the dutch people) is that will likely mean foreign riders, so we lose a dutch team. I was hoping Hutten would stay in mxgp and sign Bogers. That would be an upgrade for Hutten and a lifeline for Bogers.
That indeed is a big downside, but Gebben could be a possible solution for Bogers, He has the same results as Paturel but he's Dutch. Lupino and Bogers as a team wouldn't be bad for the Gebben Kawasaki team.

This is something I just thought about, so this ain't a real rumor, but it would be a possible scenario: If HSF doesn't want to start his own team, and also doesn't wanna become part of a team anymore but wants to stay into the sport he can become a very important partner for Brian Bogers and Calvin Vlaanderen. As personal sponsor, like Kevin Strijbos got HENS, he can pay for example 50-70k to the team and that the team can use this money to pay the rider and already some of the costs. He could maybe create some sort of helmet deal with those teams... If he keeps backing those riders up they normally should get a ride in a decent team.
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roninho 8/9/2019 12:16am
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That indeed is a big downside, but Gebben could be a possible solution for Bogers, He has the same results as Paturel but he's Dutch. Lupino...
That indeed is a big downside, but Gebben could be a possible solution for Bogers, He has the same results as Paturel but he's Dutch. Lupino and Bogers as a team wouldn't be bad for the Gebben Kawasaki team.

This is something I just thought about, so this ain't a real rumor, but it would be a possible scenario: If HSF doesn't want to start his own team, and also doesn't wanna become part of a team anymore but wants to stay into the sport he can become a very important partner for Brian Bogers and Calvin Vlaanderen. As personal sponsor, like Kevin Strijbos got HENS, he can pay for example 50-70k to the team and that the team can use this money to pay the rider and already some of the costs. He could maybe create some sort of helmet deal with those teams... If he keeps backing those riders up they normally should get a ride in a decent team.
Yeah that would help these guys a lot. And if HSF spends another 5k to 10k to one of the Dutch mx media so that they follow these guys with some vids and stuff HSF actually would get more 'exposure' to the Dutch mx fans then they got when at HRC. Although i always got the impression that the HRC deal was more about getting the hospitality then the visibility (i mean look at the non visible HSF graphics on the jerseys)

Would one be allowed to 'rent' a bunch of meters of pit area during GP's to set up a hospitality unit when you don't have a team?
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Henk_Zanting 8/9/2019 1:35am
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Cortami79 wrote:
Depends which riders will be underneath their tent. I'm curious about Hutten Metaal though, they seem to invest a lot of money into the team
MXMattii wrote:
Hutten would become the official EMX250 Yamaha team, because Phillipaerts is throwing the towel.
philG wrote:
Hutten is a nice outfit.. riders and bikes look on point.
thanks!
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roninho 8/9/2019 2:12am
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Any insight or paddock talk you can share on the silly season Henk?
Henk_Zanting 8/9/2019 4:23am
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Any insight or paddock talk you can share on the silly season Henk?
A lot is allready said. Some are true, other not..

Let's wait for MXGP of Imola for some official info.
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THE mx addict 8/9/2019 4:28am
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Any insight or paddock talk you can share on the silly season Henk?
Take a look at Motoverte website. News on line since this morning...
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Last Braaap 8/9/2019 4:49am
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THE mx addict wrote:
Take a look at Motoverte website. News on line since this morning...
bro, i endured thru the whole article translated by google. Shocked There are basically the rumours from here (febvre to kawi, seewer to Wilvo or HRC, Evans to HRC) and Anstie getting the boot with Monticelli or lieber grabbing Standing Construct ride.

What amazes me is that after this year where KTM got shafted in MXGP with two injuries RB KTM would go only with Vialle? Huh
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bro, i endured thru the whole article translated by google. :ohmy: There are basically the rumours from here (febvre to kawi, seewer to Wilvo or HRC...
bro, i endured thru the whole article translated by google. Shocked There are basically the rumours from here (febvre to kawi, seewer to Wilvo or HRC, Evans to HRC) and Anstie getting the boot with Monticelli or lieber grabbing Standing Construct ride.

What amazes me is that after this year where KTM got shafted in MXGP with two injuries RB KTM would go only with Vialle? Huh
There s a big problem with google translator, then...
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MXMattii 8/9/2019 8:34am
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THE mx addict wrote:
Take a look at Motoverte website. News on line since this morning...
Last Braaap wrote:
bro, i endured thru the whole article translated by google. :ohmy: There are basically the rumours from here (febvre to kawi, seewer to Wilvo or HRC...
bro, i endured thru the whole article translated by google. Shocked There are basically the rumours from here (febvre to kawi, seewer to Wilvo or HRC, Evans to HRC) and Anstie getting the boot with Monticelli or lieber grabbing Standing Construct ride.

What amazes me is that after this year where KTM got shafted in MXGP with two injuries RB KTM would go only with Vialle? Huh
Rumor goes that KTM is trying to sign Roan van de Moosdijk.
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MXMattii 8/9/2019 8:39am
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Henk_Zanting wrote:
A lot is allready said. Some are true, other not..

Let's wait for MXGP of Imola for some official info.
I hope you're not taking this personal, we're just sharing info, enjoying ourselves Wink .
Henk_Zanting 8/9/2019 12:08pm
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Henk_Zanting wrote:
A lot is allready said. Some are true, other not..

Let's wait for MXGP of Imola for some official info.
MXMattii wrote:
I hope you're not taking this personal, we're just sharing info, enjoying ourselves Wink .
No worries mate, I like it a lot myself Wink
At the moment I'am not in the position to share info, thats all.

But most of the rumors here I heard also.

Interresting 1 I heard and not seen here, Herlings to Husky and 27 losing his spot there. But just a rumor.
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cesar_rc4 8/9/2019 1:07pm
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Henk_Zanting wrote:
No worries mate, I like it a lot myself ;) At the moment I'am not in the position to share info, thats all. But most of...
No worries mate, I like it a lot myself Wink
At the moment I'am not in the position to share info, thats all.

But most of the rumors here I heard also.

Interresting 1 I heard and not seen here, Herlings to Husky and 27 losing his spot there. But just a rumor.
Interesting rumor but in the end i think that ktm want to win with ktm not with husqy.
Maybe im wrong... i think if its happens is a good movement for ktm group
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Last Braaap 8/9/2019 1:50pm
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Henk_Zanting wrote:
A lot is allready said. Some are true, other not..

Let's wait for MXGP of Imola for some official info.
MXMattii wrote:
I hope you're not taking this personal, we're just sharing info, enjoying ourselves Wink .
Henk_Zanting wrote:
No worries mate, I like it a lot myself ;) At the moment I'am not in the position to share info, thats all. But most of...
No worries mate, I like it a lot myself Wink
At the moment I'am not in the position to share info, thats all.

But most of the rumors here I heard also.

Interresting 1 I heard and not seen here, Herlings to Husky and 27 losing his spot there. But just a rumor.
That would be a dictionary definition of the term "completely fudging nuts" if KTM would allow that.

(off topic - in MotoGP paddock there are also surfacing rumous that Jorge Lorenzo would leave (somehow) his valid contract with HRC and go on satelite Ducati to Pramac which is insane, well similar level of insane)

Thanks for info and crossing finger for you in the rest of the reason.
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hamncheeze 8/9/2019 3:30pm
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It's very unfortunate that Suzuki is not ready to re-enter MXGP for 2020 because they could snatch up some decent talent for a relative bargain.
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philG 8/9/2019 3:41pm
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Henk_Zanting wrote:
thanks!
The kit looks real good. great colours and you can pick your guys out straight away.. like HSF used to be, but it just pops more.
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Henk_Zanting 8/10/2019 1:24am
8/10/2019 1:24am
hamncheeze wrote:
It's very unfortunate that Suzuki is not ready to re-enter MXGP for 2020 because they could snatch up some decent talent for a relative bargain.
Blame Everts Wink , Rumor is we have to wait 1 more year for Suzuki coming back.
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Henk_Zanting wrote:
No worries mate, I like it a lot myself ;) At the moment I'am not in the position to share info, thats all. But most of...
No worries mate, I like it a lot myself Wink
At the moment I'am not in the position to share info, thats all.

But most of the rumors here I heard also.

Interresting 1 I heard and not seen here, Herlings to Husky and 27 losing his spot there. But just a rumor.
cesar_rc4 wrote:
Interesting rumor but in the end i think that ktm want to win with ktm not with husqy. Maybe im wrong... i think if its happens...
Interesting rumor but in the end i think that ktm want to win with ktm not with husqy.
Maybe im wrong... i think if its happens is a good movement for ktm group
maybe the old rumor is true.
KTM roadbikes, Husky the offroad section, Husky has always been a big name in the states the biggest offroad market.
KTM invest real money in the motogp, moto2 and moto3, you can spend your money only once.
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roninho 8/10/2019 2:28am
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hamncheeze wrote:
It's very unfortunate that Suzuki is not ready to re-enter MXGP for 2020 because they could snatch up some decent talent for a relative bargain.
Mwoah. It happens every year. Last couple of years these guys lost a factory or semi factory ride and had to settle for supported/private teams or even had no ride:
Waters 9th overall, best moto 4th
Ferris 11th, best 4th
Guillod 9th, best 3th
Bobryshev best 3rd, injured
Jasikonis 13th, best 3rd
Nagl 8th, best 1st
Simpson best 1st, injured
Coldenhoff, 7th best 3rd
Anstie, best 3rd, injured
Van Horebeek 9th best 3rd

If you are ok to have a team of riders that will get a couple of podiums a year then you have no trouble signing these guys for cheap every season. Just wait out silly season and you can pick from a couple of guys that lost out.

You could even think about not signing a guy like desalle or febvre and use the money you save to fund a 3rd bike for a young guy. So go for a combo of Anstie, van Horebeek and a young guy like Jacobi or Vlaanderen. Also helps cover for the injury bug.

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alex69 8/10/2019 2:42am
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hamncheeze wrote:
It's very unfortunate that Suzuki is not ready to re-enter MXGP for 2020 because they could snatch up some decent talent for a relative bargain.
Henk_Zanting wrote:
Blame Everts Wink , Rumor is we have to wait 1 more year for Suzuki coming back.
That's not a rumor, the only reason Suzuki has withdrawn from the GPs is that they wanted to get rid of Everts.
And why shut they pay a lot off money to buy Everts out, the numbers of off-road they sell in Europe isn't worth it, they are doing well in the motogp but they have only 2 bikes on the grid, the other factorys have 2 factory and 2 satellite factory supported bikes on the grid.
They have still a factory team in the USA the biggest offroad market.
All the factories are cutting back on their bugets, see how hard it is for good drivers to find a seat.
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alex69 8/10/2019 3:03am
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MXMattii wrote:
I hope you're not taking this personal, we're just sharing info, enjoying ourselves Wink .
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No worries mate, I like it a lot myself ;) At the moment I'am not in the position to share info, thats all. But most of...
No worries mate, I like it a lot myself Wink
At the moment I'am not in the position to share info, thats all.

But most of the rumors here I heard also.

Interresting 1 I heard and not seen here, Herlings to Husky and 27 losing his spot there. But just a rumor.
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That would be a dictionary definition of the term "completely fudging nuts" if KTM would allow that. (off topic - in MotoGP paddock there are also...
That would be a dictionary definition of the term "completely fudging nuts" if KTM would allow that.

(off topic - in MotoGP paddock there are also surfacing rumous that Jorge Lorenzo would leave (somehow) his valid contract with HRC and go on satelite Ducati to Pramac which is insane, well similar level of insane)

Thanks for info and crossing finger for you in the rest of the reason.
It will not surprise me that it is true, if your teammate is the pole-setter gp after gp and is on his way win back to back the championship again, and Lorenzo can hardly qualify for a 10th place i think you have problem.

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roninho 8/11/2019 2:10am
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Henk_Zanting wrote:
No worries mate, I like it a lot myself ;) At the moment I'am not in the position to share info, thats all. But most of...
No worries mate, I like it a lot myself Wink
At the moment I'am not in the position to share info, thats all.

But most of the rumors here I heard also.

Interresting 1 I heard and not seen here, Herlings to Husky and 27 losing his spot there. But just a rumor.
cesar_rc4 wrote:
Interesting rumor but in the end i think that ktm want to win with ktm not with husqy. Maybe im wrong... i think if its happens...
Interesting rumor but in the end i think that ktm want to win with ktm not with husqy.
Maybe im wrong... i think if its happens is a good movement for ktm group
If they can get all the 'egos' to accept certain moves imo it would be a great move for KTM Group.

It looks like KTM Group is pushing KTM and Husqvarna as equal makes. To me its a bit weird to then have 3 MXGP championship contenders on a KTM and 0 on a Husqvarna. And at the same time have 3 factory husqvarna bikes in MX2 and only 1 for KTM.
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Cortami79 8/13/2019 4:06am
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https://mxvice.com/114212/statement-tim-mathys

Money talks. Max Anstie is out of Standing Construct, despite his amazing performance in Lommel and podium speed nearly every race.

(Not an insult to Tim Mathys, whom really stepped up this year to help him)
Flat is Boring 8/13/2019 4:10am
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https://mxvice.com/114212/statement-tim-mathys Money talks. Max Anstie is out of Standing Construct, despite his amazing performance in Lommel and podium speed nearly every race. (Not an insult to...
https://mxvice.com/114212/statement-tim-mathys

Money talks. Max Anstie is out of Standing Construct, despite his amazing performance in Lommel and podium speed nearly every race.

(Not an insult to Tim Mathys, whom really stepped up this year to help him)
Making way for Lieber with a nice big cheque in his hand?

Now Anstie is free, do Honda look at him or is Seewer a dead cert for that bike?
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