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TXDirt 8/1/2019 7:00pm
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Can we talk about C class riders doing scrubs? What the heck lol
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Regis 8/1/2019 7:02pm
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This thread feels like there are a bunch of far left democrats in here. Someone winning the race and doing good within the rules? Well we should change the damn rules! That’s not fair!

How many of you all are jumping on the “squad” socialism bandwagon?

FYI - I was just in a text debate with a friend. max Vohland was 19 seconds a lap faster then someone in his class. Maybe he shouldn’t be allowed to race too? (Sarcasm alert)

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He’s 47. If some 20 something fast as hell rider can’t hang. Well...#goals lol
Bingo. He is 47, if you are he half his age,. Go faster .
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crusher773 wrote:
This is a joke right because neither of those guys should be racing LL except in the actual pro classes.
DC wrote:
We've been allowing former pros in the vet classes since the very first Loretta Lynn's in 1982. Everyone from Barry Higgins to Ricky Carmichael have chosen...
We've been allowing former pros in the vet classes since the very first Loretta Lynn's in 1982. Everyone from Barry Higgins to Ricky Carmichael have chosen to come back and participate. And every year since Vital MX came online someone complains here about it.

Mike Brown is 47 years old and hasn't been a pro for a long time. The idea that "once you're a pro, always a pro" is an outdated Olympic idea. What makes you a pro is having an active AMA Pro license, and neither Brown nor Durham have that active license, nor do John Grewe, Earl May, Barry Carsten, etc...

But they are limited to riding in the Junior +25, Senior +40 or Masters +50. The Vet +30 class and the Senior +45 classes are for Sportsmen who have never scored points in an AMA Pro National or AMA Supercross.

Just because a guy wants to continue racing after he is no longer a pro doesn't mean he's still a pro. And just because Mike Brown is faster than every other 47-year-old on the planet doesn't make him a pro either. The fact that he's battling to win the +25 class against much younger competition is pretty damn cool.

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Either way it says amateur!!!!!!!!
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Eddieg15 8/1/2019 7:12pm
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crusher773 wrote:
This is a joke right because neither of those guys should be racing LL except in the actual pro classes.
DC wrote:
We've been allowing former pros in the vet classes since the very first Loretta Lynn's in 1982. Everyone from Barry Higgins to Ricky Carmichael have chosen...
We've been allowing former pros in the vet classes since the very first Loretta Lynn's in 1982. Everyone from Barry Higgins to Ricky Carmichael have chosen to come back and participate. And every year since Vital MX came online someone complains here about it.

Mike Brown is 47 years old and hasn't been a pro for a long time. The idea that "once you're a pro, always a pro" is an outdated Olympic idea. What makes you a pro is having an active AMA Pro license, and neither Brown nor Durham have that active license, nor do John Grewe, Earl May, Barry Carsten, etc...

But they are limited to riding in the Junior +25, Senior +40 or Masters +50. The Vet +30 class and the Senior +45 classes are for Sportsmen who have never scored points in an AMA Pro National or AMA Supercross.

Just because a guy wants to continue racing after he is no longer a pro doesn't mean he's still a pro. And just because Mike Brown is faster than every other 47-year-old on the planet doesn't make him a pro either. The fact that he's battling to win the +25 class against much younger competition is pretty damn cool.

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Then give them their own class. I don’t even come watch as many of my friends for this bs
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lostboy819 8/1/2019 7:12pm
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Lost boy, good to know. However, I am seeing a trend of elder aged ex racers being the ones who support the idea of a factory...
Lost boy, good to know. However, I am seeing a trend of elder aged ex racers being the ones who support the idea of a factory backed and paid vet rider.. I'm pumped he's that "old" and still Killin in. Im just not pumped on him lapping most of the field. He's lapping them because he's still fit and able to be a pro.
But the term "pro" in motocross is is pretty wide spectrum. Yes he is still ultra fast but he would get lapped at Unadilla if he entered the 450 class and if he went to A1 this January he wouldn't make the night show. You read a lot of threads from guys who raced when they were young and then quit to get a education or start a family and then want to start racing the Vet classes to try to get back that old feeling and maybe a little glory. Mike Brown never stopped to go to college, he devoted his whole life to racing and it has paid off and he can still fly.

There are classes for guys like him who went all in with their life and risked it all and love what he is doing and in no way should he be denied the chance to race at any race that has a class for him. He is lapping them because that's what he has always done and he has perfected his craft and LLs is the perfect place for him when hes not doing other races that he can still be competitive in at a high level. I would be honored to get lapped by him even though I would be pissed off that I let it happen.
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chewy4063 8/1/2019 7:15pm
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TXDirt wrote:
Can we talk about C class riders doing scrubs? What the heck lol
They are not local C riders like everyone pictures in their head. They are just C riders compared to the rest of the field at Loretta’s. Goes to show how fast that place is.

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SeaClassExpert 8/1/2019 7:15pm
8/1/2019 7:15pm
Regis wrote:
This thread feels like there are a bunch of far left democrats in here. Someone winning the race and doing good within the rules? Well we...
This thread feels like there are a bunch of far left democrats in here. Someone winning the race and doing good within the rules? Well we should change the damn rules! That’s not fair!

How many of you all are jumping on the “squad” socialism bandwagon?

FYI - I was just in a text debate with a friend. max Vohland was 19 seconds a lap faster then someone in his class. Maybe he shouldn’t be allowed to race too? (Sarcasm alert)

Mike Brown has been racing professionally longer than Max Vohland has been fucking alive, great comparison chief. Totally the same situation.
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zehn 8/1/2019 7:15pm
8/1/2019 7:15pm Edited Date/Time 8/1/2019 7:16pm
Nothing better than watching bitter old dudes bitch about classes they've never ridden at LL and never will.

"Somebody think of the guy who has to work a 9-5, Brownie should take pity on him"

lol
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Regis 8/1/2019 7:15pm
8/1/2019 7:15pm Edited Date/Time 8/1/2019 7:19pm
Here is an idea... what if DC and MX sports gave everyone a trophy in the +40 class to make them feel better since Mike Brown is kicking there ass?


You know, a participation trophy. Something to make them feel somewhat less inferior?

Just spittballin’ here
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Regis 8/1/2019 7:17pm
8/1/2019 7:17pm Edited Date/Time 8/1/2019 7:21pm
Regis wrote:
This thread feels like there are a bunch of far left democrats in here. Someone winning the race and doing good within the rules? Well we...
This thread feels like there are a bunch of far left democrats in here. Someone winning the race and doing good within the rules? Well we should change the damn rules! That’s not fair!

How many of you all are jumping on the “squad” socialism bandwagon?

FYI - I was just in a text debate with a friend. max Vohland was 19 seconds a lap faster then someone in his class. Maybe he shouldn’t be allowed to race too? (Sarcasm alert)

SeaClassExpert wrote:
Mike Brown has been racing professionally longer than Max Vohland has been fucking alive, great comparison chief. Totally the same situation.
Do you know what “sarcasm alert” means kemosabe?

However, lap times are lap times. So I don’t see the difference in comparison, if you want to get technical about it.
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Meister 8/1/2019 7:21pm
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Professional = pro sport...
Vet classes = not pros, however, expert (A) seems more logical.
In every single other event, him and Durham both ride the PRO class..

Who has the most Loretta's championships? Grewe's gotta be getting close..
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Regis wrote:
This thread feels like there are a bunch of far left democrats in here. Someone winning the race and doing good within the rules? Well we...
This thread feels like there are a bunch of far left democrats in here. Someone winning the race and doing good within the rules? Well we should change the damn rules! That’s not fair!

How many of you all are jumping on the “squad” socialism bandwagon?

FYI - I was just in a text debate with a friend. max Vohland was 19 seconds a lap faster then someone in his class. Maybe he shouldn’t be allowed to race too? (Sarcasm alert)

Politics is frowned upon at Vital.
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Racer111 8/1/2019 7:23pm
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I love DC, MB and I love LL, BUT I’m with the majority. There should be a Vet Pro class. A former Pro should not be...
I love DC, MB and I love LL, BUT I’m with the majority. There should be a Vet Pro class. A former Pro should not be allowed to race against anyone that has never been a Pro. Amateurs aren’t allowed to just line up at the Nationals or a Supercross. They have to have credentials. So, if a rider has ever had those credentials, he likewise should not be allowed to race against those that don’t have said credentials.

In my opinion, it’s that simple. These guys always make short work of everyone and take titles away from people who will never have the chance to earn any other National title.
Natester551v wrote:
You're in the majority?
Yes sir! And I don’t just mean here. Go to LL and ask around. 😉
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Me too.
dirtbikemike 8/1/2019 7:24pm
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Racer111 wrote:
I love DC, MB and I love LL, BUT I’m with the majority. There should be a Vet Pro class. A former Pro should not be...
I love DC, MB and I love LL, BUT I’m with the majority. There should be a Vet Pro class. A former Pro should not be allowed to race against anyone that has never been a Pro. Amateurs aren’t allowed to just line up at the Nationals or a Supercross. They have to have credentials. So, if a rider has ever had those credentials, he likewise should not be allowed to race against those that don’t have said credentials.

In my opinion, it’s that simple. These guys always make short work of everyone and take titles away from people who will never have the chance to earn any other National title.
"So, if a rider has ever had those credentials, he likewise should not be allowed to race against those that don’t have said credentials.:

With that opinion, where do those riders compete? Where do I fit in your equation?




Go Brownie, keep stomping those kids.





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TXDirt 8/1/2019 7:25pm
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TXDirt wrote:
Can we talk about C class riders doing scrubs? What the heck lol
chewy4063 wrote:
They are not local C riders like everyone pictures in their head. They are just C riders compared to the rest of the field at Loretta’s...
They are not local C riders like everyone pictures in their head. They are just C riders compared to the rest of the field at Loretta’s. Goes to show how fast that place is.

Is National C class rider a thing?
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Moto Obsessed wrote:
WELL said, DC

I would literally hitch hike to the ranch (if that's what it took) to see Stew race again.
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Regis 8/1/2019 7:30pm
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Regis wrote:
This thread feels like there are a bunch of far left democrats in here. Someone winning the race and doing good within the rules? Well we...
This thread feels like there are a bunch of far left democrats in here. Someone winning the race and doing good within the rules? Well we should change the damn rules! That’s not fair!

How many of you all are jumping on the “squad” socialism bandwagon?

FYI - I was just in a text debate with a friend. max Vohland was 19 seconds a lap faster then someone in his class. Maybe he shouldn’t be allowed to race too? (Sarcasm alert)

slipdog wrote:
Politics is frowned upon at Vital.
I understand. I did it on purpose, out of frustration. Won’t happen again.
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Regis 8/1/2019 7:32pm
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crusher773 wrote:
This is a joke right because neither of those guys should be racing LL except in the actual pro classes.
DC wrote:
We've been allowing former pros in the vet classes since the very first Loretta Lynn's in 1982. Everyone from Barry Higgins to Ricky Carmichael have chosen...
We've been allowing former pros in the vet classes since the very first Loretta Lynn's in 1982. Everyone from Barry Higgins to Ricky Carmichael have chosen to come back and participate. And every year since Vital MX came online someone complains here about it.

Mike Brown is 47 years old and hasn't been a pro for a long time. The idea that "once you're a pro, always a pro" is an outdated Olympic idea. What makes you a pro is having an active AMA Pro license, and neither Brown nor Durham have that active license, nor do John Grewe, Earl May, Barry Carsten, etc...

But they are limited to riding in the Junior +25, Senior +40 or Masters +50. The Vet +30 class and the Senior +45 classes are for Sportsmen who have never scored points in an AMA Pro National or AMA Supercross.

Just because a guy wants to continue racing after he is no longer a pro doesn't mean he's still a pro. And just because Mike Brown is faster than every other 47-year-old on the planet doesn't make him a pro either. The fact that he's battling to win the +25 class against much younger competition is pretty damn cool.

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Eddieg15 wrote:
Then give them their own class. I don’t even come watch as many of my friends for this bs
They do have their own class. It’s the +40 and the +25. He just explained that.
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TeamGreen 8/1/2019 7:36pm
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“Mike Brown is 47 years old and hasn't been a pro for a long time.” From DC’s post.

I believe we’re talking about. “Over 25” in this thread?

Mike is a very kind and good dude. If you’re racing “Over 25 ‘whatever’ “ class at Chickenlicks Raceway and a 47 Year-Old dude with scar tissue like a gotdamn war-vet Whoops your ass? Well...
STFU & tell all your friends...
“I raced with Mike Brown. He’s an absolute Bad Ass & a good dude.”
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Graybeard 8/1/2019 8:22pm
8/1/2019 8:22pm
Good Lord the whining every year is incredible. The rules are the rules, Mike races within those rules, so shut up and enjoy the spectacle! If you don’t like it, don’t race it! I know I have to line up against former National pros all the times the +50 and +55 classes. It’s always a battle to keep them in sight, or from lapping me some days, but it’s also a big compliment to their ability to still rip at a ripe old age!
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DC 8/1/2019 8:37pm
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crusher773 wrote:
This is a joke right because neither of those guys should be racing LL except in the actual pro classes.
DC wrote:
We've been allowing former pros in the vet classes since the very first Loretta Lynn's in 1982. Everyone from Barry Higgins to Ricky Carmichael have chosen...
We've been allowing former pros in the vet classes since the very first Loretta Lynn's in 1982. Everyone from Barry Higgins to Ricky Carmichael have chosen to come back and participate. And every year since Vital MX came online someone complains here about it.

Mike Brown is 47 years old and hasn't been a pro for a long time. The idea that "once you're a pro, always a pro" is an outdated Olympic idea. What makes you a pro is having an active AMA Pro license, and neither Brown nor Durham have that active license, nor do John Grewe, Earl May, Barry Carsten, etc...

But they are limited to riding in the Junior +25, Senior +40 or Masters +50. The Vet +30 class and the Senior +45 classes are for Sportsmen who have never scored points in an AMA Pro National or AMA Supercross.

Just because a guy wants to continue racing after he is no longer a pro doesn't mean he's still a pro. And just because Mike Brown is faster than every other 47-year-old on the planet doesn't make him a pro either. The fact that he's battling to win the +25 class against much younger competition is pretty damn cool.

DC
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Eddieg15 wrote:
Either way it says amateur!!!!!!!!
He is an amateur. He doesn't have a pro license. That's it in AMA SX/MX. Either you have a license or you don't.

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Crush 8/1/2019 8:52pm
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I'd be pumped if I got 2nd to Brownie, probably more so than winning against a bunch of other old dudes that no-one gives a fuck about!
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blockhead17 8/1/2019 8:54pm
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Go brownie! I’m just happy he is still getting amongst it, I wish more retired riders did too
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chewy4063 8/1/2019 9:17pm
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TXDirt wrote:
Can we talk about C class riders doing scrubs? What the heck lol
chewy4063 wrote:
They are not local C riders like everyone pictures in their head. They are just C riders compared to the rest of the field at Loretta’s...
They are not local C riders like everyone pictures in their head. They are just C riders compared to the rest of the field at Loretta’s. Goes to show how fast that place is.

TXDirt wrote:
Is National C class rider a thing?
Theres no national class for any amateurs regardless of A/B/C. But they train at facilities all year, race the big AMA amateur “national” events, race Loretta’s and move up to B.
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dboivin 8/1/2019 9:31pm
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my god. this thread again.

if i was headed to lorettas this year i'd love it that brownie was on the line. quit yer bitching.


p.s. i raced mike in amateurs few times (and beat him, lol). would have no problem him lining up and getting lapped by him today.
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cmotodad wrote:
I have raced Mammoth, mot sure of its status now. When I was lined up against Jeff Ward, I holeshot him and he passed me rather...
I have raced Mammoth, mot sure of its status now. When I was lined up against Jeff Ward, I holeshot him and he passed me rather quickly, I was the happiest guy on a dirt bike. I had the opportunity to race with one of my heroes from my youth. Not sure how others feel but I think for ANY noteworthy ex-factory rider or not to still be out mixing it up with us slugs is awesome.
It’s cus it’s lorettas No other race people complain about. Not sure why they get all butt hurt and bitchy when brown waxes em at Loretta’s
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moto0852 8/1/2019 9:55pm
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I typically have your back when this topic comes up every year, but in this case, Mike Brown is a current pro. A bad ass 47...
I typically have your back when this topic comes up every year, but in this case, Mike Brown is a current pro. A bad ass 47 year old freak of nature current pro. It is his job, it is what he is paid to do. 25+ is one thing, but 40+?

moto0852 wrote:
Your argument doesn't hold water. I get "paid" to race. I'm 53 and race the WORCS 50+ C class. I make about $200 dollars every race...
Your argument doesn't hold water. I get "paid" to race. I'm 53 and race the WORCS 50+ C class. I make about $200 dollars every race from Maxxis, Rocky Mtn. MC/ATV and KTM contingency. The Women lap me in an hour race and I can't keep the kids on 85CC insight for more than two corners.

Mike Brown and I have these things in common:
1. Don't hold a pro license (tough to be called a pro when by the very definition of the AMA you're not)
2. Don't race full time.
3. Don't get paid to race. (Mike's not getting paid to go to LL)
4. Both of us were pro (me, uh about 35 years ago and no, never scored a point)

Just because someone is faster than you doesn't mean they shouldnt race.
agn5009 wrote:
You are a former pro and now race the C class? That’s.... interesting.
Exactly. Thanks for making my point. Just because I was fast at 17 shouldn't disqualify me from still trying to race at 53 with bad hips and worn out knees.
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bonseff 8/1/2019 10:09pm
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Racer111 wrote:
I love DC, MB and I love LL, BUT I’m with the majority. There should be a Vet Pro class. A former Pro should not be...
I love DC, MB and I love LL, BUT I’m with the majority. There should be a Vet Pro class. A former Pro should not be allowed to race against anyone that has never been a Pro. Amateurs aren’t allowed to just line up at the Nationals or a Supercross. They have to have credentials. So, if a rider has ever had those credentials, he likewise should not be allowed to race against those that don’t have said credentials.

In my opinion, it’s that simple. These guys always make short work of everyone and take titles away from people who will never have the chance to earn any other National title.
dirtbikemike wrote:
"So, if a rider has ever had those credentials, he likewise should not be allowed to race against those that don’t have said credentials.: With that...
"So, if a rider has ever had those credentials, he likewise should not be allowed to race against those that don’t have said credentials.:

With that opinion, where do those riders compete? Where do I fit in your equation?




Go Brownie, keep stomping those kids.





THIS!

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