Any update on the track worker at RedBud?

lostboy819 7/9/2019 10:05am
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I was unfortunately not at RedBud, though I don't know that I could have done anything differently than what our officials did. Like most of you...
I was unfortunately not at RedBud, though I don't know that I could have done anything differently than what our officials did. Like most of you, I only saw it on NBC Sports Gold. But MX Sports Pro Racing and our series officials we have been working to sort through what happened ever since Saturday morning, reviewing the video and eyewitness accounts. The home video of Anderson jumping was not available to us until after the race, and we have been discussing the whole chain of events with the multiple trained flaggers that were on the spot and waving their flags how both Tomita and Anderson would have failed to see them. Jason Farrentz (the official who was hit and is thankfully just a little banged up) and Jarry Newby (longtime infield manager) and Tim McAdams (longtime technical referee) were all on site and trying to manage the situation along with other course flaggers when Anderson jumped the whole scene. We will be speaking with Jason and his team and I imagine additional penalties will be issued for both riders involved. We do not "allow this type of BS with little or no punishment" and we will also continue working to make sure it does not happen again.

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Disqualify Anderson for the next race, tell him not to even show up. If you dock him a few points or fine him that he can easily pay there will be no change in his behavior. If he cant ride the next event then he might get it when his team is pissed and his sponsors are pissed and then it might sink in, other wise don't even bother.

Is it the AMA's responsibility to take action or MX sports, I believe its the AMA's but not sure how deep MX sports would be involved with rules enforcement.
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DC wrote:
I was unfortunately not at RedBud, though I don't know that I could have done anything differently than what our officials did. Like most of you...
I was unfortunately not at RedBud, though I don't know that I could have done anything differently than what our officials did. Like most of you, I only saw it on NBC Sports Gold. But MX Sports Pro Racing and our series officials we have been working to sort through what happened ever since Saturday morning, reviewing the video and eyewitness accounts. The home video of Anderson jumping was not available to us until after the race, and we have been discussing the whole chain of events with the multiple trained flaggers that were on the spot and waving their flags how both Tomita and Anderson would have failed to see them. Jason Farrentz (the official who was hit and is thankfully just a little banged up) and Jarry Newby (longtime infield manager) and Tim McAdams (longtime technical referee) were all on site and trying to manage the situation along with other course flaggers when Anderson jumped the whole scene. We will be speaking with Jason and his team and I imagine additional penalties will be issued for both riders involved. We do not "allow this type of BS with little or no punishment" and we will also continue working to make sure it does not happen again.

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lostboy819 wrote:
Disqualify Anderson for the next race, tell him not to even show up. If you dock him a few points or fine him that he can...
Disqualify Anderson for the next race, tell him not to even show up. If you dock him a few points or fine him that he can easily pay there will be no change in his behavior. If he cant ride the next event then he might get it when his team is pissed and his sponsors are pissed and then it might sink in, other wise don't even bother.

Is it the AMA's responsibility to take action or MX sports, I believe its the AMA's but not sure how deep MX sports would be involved with rules enforcement.
Glad to read Jason Farrentz is "just a little banged up". As lostboy819 suggests Anderson, and I would add any other rider, not heeding those marshals and flags need excluding from the next round. It is the only course of action that might get through these riders heads, short of actually giving them a bloody good kicking while explaining the finer points of on-track etiquette.
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These kind of accidents are scary as hell. A couple of years ago a rider crashed into a flagger at a Finnish race and the flagger got paralyzed.

That track came up with this solution after the incident. They put up these kind of cages from 1000 litre watertanks for all of the flagging stations.


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Kenny Lingus 7/9/2019 10:50am
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Glad the guy will be ok. It's time to get flagging out of the 70's and into the present. It will probably be expensive and a logistical nightmare but it's high time to figure out how to have proper red and yellow lights on the scaffolding that goes across the top of almost every jump on track. Year after year after year we see the same thing. When will it become apparent that flaggers with little to no training standing a bit back off the track is not working.

I think this weekend has shown it's time for a rewrite of the rule book and to start enforcing it equally and without prejudice.
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DC 7/9/2019 10:58am
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Glad the guy will be ok. It's time to get flagging out of the 70's and into the present. It will probably be expensive and a...
Glad the guy will be ok. It's time to get flagging out of the 70's and into the present. It will probably be expensive and a logistical nightmare but it's high time to figure out how to have proper red and yellow lights on the scaffolding that goes across the top of almost every jump on track. Year after year after year we see the same thing. When will it become apparent that flaggers with little to no training standing a bit back off the track is not working.

I think this weekend has shown it's time for a rewrite of the rule book and to start enforcing it equally and without prejudice.
It's not fair to say that three longtime officials that go to every round of the series have "little to no training." They did exactly what they were trained to do, but a couple of riders on hot laps did not see or obey them, and they will be dealt with accordingly.

And here is the ironic part: On this thread some want to DQ Jason Anderson from the next round for not slowing down for the caution flags, and on another thread people are angry that Adam Cianciarulo got docked two spots for not slowing down when he went off the track (for the second time on that first lap), got on the other side of the banners and stayed on the gas for 50 yards before jumping back on the track... Wearing a striped shirt makes for some tough days at the races.

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Disqualify Anderson for the next race, tell him not to even show up. If you dock him a few points or fine him that he can...
Disqualify Anderson for the next race, tell him not to even show up. If you dock him a few points or fine him that he can easily pay there will be no change in his behavior. If he cant ride the next event then he might get it when his team is pissed and his sponsors are pissed and then it might sink in, other wise don't even bother.

Is it the AMA's responsibility to take action or MX sports, I believe its the AMA's but not sure how deep MX sports would be involved with rules enforcement.
If they do it for one, they have to do it for all.... And just how many racers have jumped on a red Cross flag this season? If you have home video, submit it, cause if they tag El hombre, they gotta tag everyone for the entire season....
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Kenny Lingus 7/9/2019 11:16am
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Just to clarify, I was talking in general about flaggers training not that specific incident. I agree that the riders need to be held accountable.

To satisfy my curiosity, have you looked into lights on the advertising scaffolding? I don't know the day to day of what goes on so I don't know if it is even remotely possible. I know the officials have a tough job ( grew up around dirt track officials) and I'm usually on their side. I may be over stepping here a bit, I think it's safe to say we both would agree that it's time to improve the flagging. Keep up the good work either way!
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tek14 7/9/2019 11:23am
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Why disqualifying Anderson will help? There should be rule book that AMA follows if riders dont respect rules.
He did get fastest lap taken away, is that enough? I think it should be more severe penalty but then again keeping your visor down on high hill like that following another rider there is chance he didnt see flag early enough to brake. Anderson will answer that on hearing and gets penalty from rule book and same goes to Tomita. I hope people will follow these rules now and not after someone gets badly hurt.
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DC 7/9/2019 11:34am
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Kenny Lingus wrote:
Just to clarify, I was talking in general about flaggers training not that specific incident. I agree that the riders need to be held accountable. To...
Just to clarify, I was talking in general about flaggers training not that specific incident. I agree that the riders need to be held accountable.

To satisfy my curiosity, have you looked into lights on the advertising scaffolding? I don't know the day to day of what goes on so I don't know if it is even remotely possible. I know the officials have a tough job ( grew up around dirt track officials) and I'm usually on their side. I may be over stepping here a bit, I think it's safe to say we both would agree that it's time to improve the flagging. Keep up the good work either way!
We should talk about and continue to work on safety improvements all of the time. We have looked into the lighting setup and empty some on the infield at Loretta Lynn's. But they require much more than just putting up lights at every obstacle; they require someone to be able to see all of the landing areas as well as the takeoffs, which is difficult on a mile-long track with infield spectating areas, and then make the appropriate . There's also a chance that the lights could fail given all of the wiring, generators needed, spectator and equipment traffic, etc. It makes a lot more sense in supercross, where there are no spectators on the infield, 100% viewing from above and a more static platform to wire and place lights. But even then, there is always the unfortunate chance that a rider won't notice or obey them... Like at RedBud.

The flagmen in this case all did what they were supposed to do, and the vast majority of the riders saw the flags and slowed down as they were supposed to. Two riders did not, and one of them hit a flagger and the other jumped through at speed. There will be discussions with both riders and their teams and we will continue to work with riders, race teams and series officials and course flaggers.

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lostboy819 7/9/2019 12:08pm
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Disqualify Anderson for the next race, tell him not to even show up. If you dock him a few points or fine him that he can...
Disqualify Anderson for the next race, tell him not to even show up. If you dock him a few points or fine him that he can easily pay there will be no change in his behavior. If he cant ride the next event then he might get it when his team is pissed and his sponsors are pissed and then it might sink in, other wise don't even bother.

Is it the AMA's responsibility to take action or MX sports, I believe its the AMA's but not sure how deep MX sports would be involved with rules enforcement.
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If they do it for one, they have to do it for all.... And just how many racers have jumped on a red Cross flag this...
If they do it for one, they have to do it for all.... And just how many racers have jumped on a red Cross flag this season? If you have home video, submit it, cause if they tag El hombre, they gotta tag everyone for the entire season....
I agree 100%
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Kenny Lingus wrote:
Just to clarify, I was talking in general about flaggers training not that specific incident. I agree that the riders need to be held accountable. To...
Just to clarify, I was talking in general about flaggers training not that specific incident. I agree that the riders need to be held accountable.

To satisfy my curiosity, have you looked into lights on the advertising scaffolding? I don't know the day to day of what goes on so I don't know if it is even remotely possible. I know the officials have a tough job ( grew up around dirt track officials) and I'm usually on their side. I may be over stepping here a bit, I think it's safe to say we both would agree that it's time to improve the flagging. Keep up the good work either way!
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We should talk about and continue to work on safety improvements all of the time. We have looked into the lighting setup and empty some on...
We should talk about and continue to work on safety improvements all of the time. We have looked into the lighting setup and empty some on the infield at Loretta Lynn's. But they require much more than just putting up lights at every obstacle; they require someone to be able to see all of the landing areas as well as the takeoffs, which is difficult on a mile-long track with infield spectating areas, and then make the appropriate . There's also a chance that the lights could fail given all of the wiring, generators needed, spectator and equipment traffic, etc. It makes a lot more sense in supercross, where there are no spectators on the infield, 100% viewing from above and a more static platform to wire and place lights. But even then, there is always the unfortunate chance that a rider won't notice or obey them... Like at RedBud.

The flagmen in this case all did what they were supposed to do, and the vast majority of the riders saw the flags and slowed down as they were supposed to. Two riders did not, and one of them hit a flagger and the other jumped through at speed. There will be discussions with both riders and their teams and we will continue to work with riders, race teams and series officials and course flaggers.

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DC comes in and answers...Vital kicks some major ass! I agree with DC and the flaggers at Red Bud generally aren't first timers. Really isn't much you can do for guys not obeying the flags.
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DC wrote:
We should talk about and continue to work on safety improvements all of the time. We have looked into the lighting setup and empty some on...
We should talk about and continue to work on safety improvements all of the time. We have looked into the lighting setup and empty some on the infield at Loretta Lynn's. But they require much more than just putting up lights at every obstacle; they require someone to be able to see all of the landing areas as well as the takeoffs, which is difficult on a mile-long track with infield spectating areas, and then make the appropriate . There's also a chance that the lights could fail given all of the wiring, generators needed, spectator and equipment traffic, etc. It makes a lot more sense in supercross, where there are no spectators on the infield, 100% viewing from above and a more static platform to wire and place lights. But even then, there is always the unfortunate chance that a rider won't notice or obey them... Like at RedBud.

The flagmen in this case all did what they were supposed to do, and the vast majority of the riders saw the flags and slowed down as they were supposed to. Two riders did not, and one of them hit a flagger and the other jumped through at speed. There will be discussions with both riders and their teams and we will continue to work with riders, race teams and series officials and course flaggers.

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DC wrote:
We should talk about and continue to work on safety improvements all of the time. We have looked into the lighting setup and empty some on...
We should talk about and continue to work on safety improvements all of the time. We have looked into the lighting setup and empty some on the infield at Loretta Lynn's. But they require much more than just putting up lights at every obstacle; they require someone to be able to see all of the landing areas as well as the takeoffs, which is difficult on a mile-long track with infield spectating areas, and then make the appropriate . There's also a chance that the lights could fail given all of the wiring, generators needed, spectator and equipment traffic, etc. It makes a lot more sense in supercross, where there are no spectators on the infield, 100% viewing from above and a more static platform to wire and place lights. But even then, there is always the unfortunate chance that a rider won't notice or obey them... Like at RedBud.

The flagmen in this case all did what they were supposed to do, and the vast majority of the riders saw the flags and slowed down as they were supposed to. Two riders did not, and one of them hit a flagger and the other jumped through at speed. There will be discussions with both riders and their teams and we will continue to work with riders, race teams and series officials and course flaggers.

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CivBars wrote:
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And in the meantime good, quality officials on the spot with brightly colored, easily identifiable flags that are trained to react immediately to these situations... They just need riders to not disregard the signals, whether they are flashing lights or waving flags.

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DC wrote:
We should talk about and continue to work on safety improvements all of the time. We have looked into the lighting setup and empty some on...
We should talk about and continue to work on safety improvements all of the time. We have looked into the lighting setup and empty some on the infield at Loretta Lynn's. But they require much more than just putting up lights at every obstacle; they require someone to be able to see all of the landing areas as well as the takeoffs, which is difficult on a mile-long track with infield spectating areas, and then make the appropriate . There's also a chance that the lights could fail given all of the wiring, generators needed, spectator and equipment traffic, etc. It makes a lot more sense in supercross, where there are no spectators on the infield, 100% viewing from above and a more static platform to wire and place lights. But even then, there is always the unfortunate chance that a rider won't notice or obey them... Like at RedBud.

The flagmen in this case all did what they were supposed to do, and the vast majority of the riders saw the flags and slowed down as they were supposed to. Two riders did not, and one of them hit a flagger and the other jumped through at speed. There will be discussions with both riders and their teams and we will continue to work with riders, race teams and series officials and course flaggers.

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CivBars wrote:
Solar/ battery operated lights
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DC wrote:
And in the meantime good, quality officials on the spot with brightly colored, easily identifiable flags that are trained to react immediately to these situations... They...
And in the meantime good, quality officials on the spot with brightly colored, easily identifiable flags that are trained to react immediately to these situations... They just need riders to not disregard the signals, whether they are flashing lights or waving flags.

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Agreed. Excited to see what the future has in store.
mx_phreek 7/9/2019 1:51pm
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Seeing how DC is answering some questions, about the penalty to AC. Is a 2 position penalty to much vs a 5 or 10 second penalty for what it was. Now to the reasons given by the official to why he got the penalty.

1, the first time he went off track after 4th or 5th corner. This is a complete none issue to me.
He was pushed off track by Dylan and got right back on causing no issues to any other rider. Just racing incident.

2, second off track incident after finish. From TV angle it didn't look to good and I was like ehh.. On that one. But TV made it look worse than I thought it was. Looked like he power slides soon as he got on grass but from his gopro footage you can hear him off the throttle and it looks like he just skids on grass when tries to turn. But he did get back on power, maybe not full power but he did accelerate so I'm fine with some kind of penalty but 2 spots.

3, and this one is a ridiculous reason from official that makes me think this wasn't judged fairly. He said to AC "and the Nicholls incident" are you kidding me? He tried to pass AC around the outside on the outside of a corner. How's that gonna work it? They locked handlebars he went off track and got back on behind him. Racing incident again.

Now if you're handing penalties out left and right, why wasn't Dylan docked last week, his was worse for me, he absolutely buried the throttle off track to get back on as fast as he could. Just saying.

But I guess you're under pressure from Star now and they're in your ear all time and you feel you have to do something
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Why does everyone think Star Racing has some kind of leverage on DC/MX Sports making them punish Adam?
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Why does everyone think Star Racing has some kind of leverage on DC/MX Sports making them punish Adam?
Because Justin Cooper is the future?
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Why does everyone think Star Racing has some kind of leverage on DC/MX Sports making them punish Adam?
GrapeApe wrote:
Because Justin Cooper is the future?

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Seeing how DC is answering some questions, about the penalty to AC. Is a 2 position penalty to much vs a 5 or 10 second penalty...
Seeing how DC is answering some questions, about the penalty to AC. Is a 2 position penalty to much vs a 5 or 10 second penalty for what it was. Now to the reasons given by the official to why he got the penalty.

1, the first time he went off track after 4th or 5th corner. This is a complete none issue to me.
He was pushed off track by Dylan and got right back on causing no issues to any other rider. Just racing incident.

2, second off track incident after finish. From TV angle it didn't look to good and I was like ehh.. On that one. But TV made it look worse than I thought it was. Looked like he power slides soon as he got on grass but from his gopro footage you can hear him off the throttle and it looks like he just skids on grass when tries to turn. But he did get back on power, maybe not full power but he did accelerate so I'm fine with some kind of penalty but 2 spots.

3, and this one is a ridiculous reason from official that makes me think this wasn't judged fairly. He said to AC "and the Nicholls incident" are you kidding me? He tried to pass AC around the outside on the outside of a corner. How's that gonna work it? They locked handlebars he went off track and got back on behind him. Racing incident again.

Now if you're handing penalties out left and right, why wasn't Dylan docked last week, his was worse for me, he absolutely buried the throttle off track to get back on as fast as he could. Just saying.

But I guess you're under pressure from Star now and they're in your ear all time and you feel you have to do something
This is my personal opinion, I was not there, but I believe the official misspoke when he mentioned the Nichols incident, I believe he meant Adam's first time off the track that lap, as well as the second time (at the finish line). But there has been several incidents in this series when Adam has gone outside the yellow markers or on the other side of the banners completely, for a considerable amount of real estate. In Colorado he slowed down and tried to find a way to get safely back on the track, so he was not penalized. At RedBud, on the other hand, he did not slow down and then admitted to it in his post-race interview, saying he wasn't slowing down while everyone else was going at speed. His team appealed the penalty and it's in AMA Pro Racing's hands now, just as Star Racing's appeal of the non-penalty of Adam at Thunder Valley was.

And in my opinion the problem with a 5- to 10-second penalty as compared to two positions is that it happened on the very first lap, and ten seconds at that point in the race would have been at least 10 to 15 positions, which he of course could have made up. It means something different when it comes in the context of when the infraction occurred.

Finally, there is no pressure from Star Racing or anyone here. Every team and rider has the right to question calls and they often do. And we're not "handing out penalties left and right." But this particular one did not happen in a vacuum.

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neverwas 7/9/2019 2:19pm
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slipdog wrote:
Why does everyone think Star Racing has some kind of leverage on DC/MX Sports making them punish Adam?
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Because Justin Cooper is the future?
Great response! LOL!
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lostboy819 7/9/2019 2:34pm
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Why does everyone think Star Racing has some kind of leverage on DC/MX Sports making them punish Adam?
I think they made the right call at both Lakewood and Redbud. I think Adam has a hard time staying on the track and you can only get away with it so many times before they have to not give him the benefit of the doubt anymore and I am sure Star is point this out every time AC goes off the track.
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I think they made the right call at both Lakewood and Redbud. I think Adam has a hard time staying on the track and you can...
I think they made the right call at both Lakewood and Redbud. I think Adam has a hard time staying on the track and you can only get away with it so many times before they have to not give him the benefit of the doubt anymore and I am sure Star is point this out every time AC goes off the track.
Is there a 3 strike rule that I'm unaware of?
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Kenny Lingus 7/9/2019 4:43pm
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Just to clarify, I was talking in general about flaggers training not that specific incident. I agree that the riders need to be held accountable. To...
Just to clarify, I was talking in general about flaggers training not that specific incident. I agree that the riders need to be held accountable.

To satisfy my curiosity, have you looked into lights on the advertising scaffolding? I don't know the day to day of what goes on so I don't know if it is even remotely possible. I know the officials have a tough job ( grew up around dirt track officials) and I'm usually on their side. I may be over stepping here a bit, I think it's safe to say we both would agree that it's time to improve the flagging. Keep up the good work either way!
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We should talk about and continue to work on safety improvements all of the time. We have looked into the lighting setup and empty some on...
We should talk about and continue to work on safety improvements all of the time. We have looked into the lighting setup and empty some on the infield at Loretta Lynn's. But they require much more than just putting up lights at every obstacle; they require someone to be able to see all of the landing areas as well as the takeoffs, which is difficult on a mile-long track with infield spectating areas, and then make the appropriate . There's also a chance that the lights could fail given all of the wiring, generators needed, spectator and equipment traffic, etc. It makes a lot more sense in supercross, where there are no spectators on the infield, 100% viewing from above and a more static platform to wire and place lights. But even then, there is always the unfortunate chance that a rider won't notice or obey them... Like at RedBud.

The flagmen in this case all did what they were supposed to do, and the vast majority of the riders saw the flags and slowed down as they were supposed to. Two riders did not, and one of them hit a flagger and the other jumped through at speed. There will be discussions with both riders and their teams and we will continue to work with riders, race teams and series officials and course flaggers.

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Thanks for the reply. It's easy on the outside looking in to come up with the next great idea 😉. Now, how about a national at Watkins Glen? 🤞🙏👍

I actually just got done riding and was thinking about this. It's very hard to notice anything that's not in your field of view. That's why I believe having lights across the top of jumps would be the best choice if logistical possible.
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Disqualify Anderson for the next race, tell him not to even show up. If you dock him a few points or fine him that he can...
Disqualify Anderson for the next race, tell him not to even show up. If you dock him a few points or fine him that he can easily pay there will be no change in his behavior. If he cant ride the next event then he might get it when his team is pissed and his sponsors are pissed and then it might sink in, other wise don't even bother.

Is it the AMA's responsibility to take action or MX sports, I believe its the AMA's but not sure how deep MX sports would be involved with rules enforcement.
They took action, you just do not like the results.
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Indy mxer 7/9/2019 4:54pm
7/9/2019 4:54pm Edited Date/Time 7/9/2019 4:55pm
I think DC makes sense on this.
But if the yellow markers are out of bounds, what about when the riders ignore them and deliberately go outside of them to avoid the rough stuff? MM comes to mind a couple races ago, but many of them do it.
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TXDirt 7/9/2019 5:04pm
7/9/2019 5:04pm
Considering a flagger or downed rider could have been killed, the penalties for ignoring flags should be severe. Do not wait for a death to occur before getting serious about it.
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harescrambled 7/9/2019 5:08pm
7/9/2019 5:08pm
Kenny Lingus wrote:
Thanks for the reply. It's easy on the outside looking in to come up with the next great idea 😉. Now, how about a national at...
Thanks for the reply. It's easy on the outside looking in to come up with the next great idea 😉. Now, how about a national at Watkins Glen? 🤞🙏👍

I actually just got done riding and was thinking about this. It's very hard to notice anything that's not in your field of view. That's why I believe having lights across the top of jumps would be the best choice if logistical possible.
That's why a flagger should be aware of the riders' field of view. I flag every year at the High Point national, and there have been a few occasions where a rider practically had to ride through my flag to continue in his or her line. You have to make them see it. There are some riders who have incredible awareness of what's going on up the track, and some that get tunnel vision. So you have to do the best you can
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SEEMEFIRST 7/9/2019 5:24pm
7/9/2019 5:24pm
I structured our flagging team based loosely on SCCA flagging and communications protocol.

Everyone that has a flag, has a radio.

In the event of a red cross flag, the nearest flagger upstream is instructed to display a yellow. Waving for immediate danger, standing for something less immediate.
I believe this helps get the riders looking for something out of the ordinary.
Some jumps are just hard to man effectively.
To be where you can see downed riders, you may be in a bad spot for riders to see flags.

Warnings upstream help in these instances.
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Kenny Lingus 7/9/2019 5:29pm
7/9/2019 5:29pm
harescrambled wrote:
That's why a flagger should be aware of the riders' field of view. I flag every year at the High Point national, and there have been...
That's why a flagger should be aware of the riders' field of view. I flag every year at the High Point national, and there have been a few occasions where a rider practically had to ride through my flag to continue in his or her line. You have to make them see it. There are some riders who have incredible awareness of what's going on up the track, and some that get tunnel vision. So you have to do the best you can
Exactly! The best flaggers are the ones that race/raced. I hate the whole " do you even ride'" but when it comes to flaggers I think it's wise and prudent.
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mt798 7/9/2019 5:30pm
7/9/2019 5:30pm
Maybe it's time to put radios in the helmets and team spotters on the track to allow communication directly to the riders?
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