Ferrandis out for MXON at Assen!

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Nuffsaid wrote:
No big deal, Dylan has won it twice. The French team is in no need of his talent. Move along folks, nothing to see here
Bonanza69 wrote:
When he won,was the schedule different?I suppose he knows very well that guys like Prado,Olson,Geerts will beat him in deep sand.A lot of excuses!Indeed,france has a...
When he won,was the schedule different?I suppose he knows very well that guys like Prado,Olson,Geerts will beat him in deep sand.A lot of excuses!Indeed,france has a lot of fast riders,they don‘t need him in the team.Amen
And prado olsen and geerts will get beat if they come here...
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F-Word Youthstream...F-Word Luongo...
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Ray_MXS 7/9/2019 9:46am
7/9/2019 9:46am Edited Date/Time 7/9/2019 9:52am
mx 219 wrote:
I think if the MXoN is going to continue to be run the AMA and FIM almost need to meet and agree on when it will...
I think if the MXoN is going to continue to be run the AMA and FIM almost need to meet and agree on when it will be held.

Unfortunately, it's all about the money; with rumors of SX schedules getting longer I think this may be the beginning of the end for the MXoN. So Dungey started the trend? Eli and Marvin followed suit, now Ferrandis, do I have that right?

For the AMA guys I get it though; they race 29 weekends, 30 with Monster Cup. They have what like 4-5 weeks break during that 29 race schedule. Yeah, back in the day you were proud to be selected; but things are changing and can't expect the guys today to have the same amount of pride to race when their careers are on the line.

It's like working in the office everyday and then being selected for a best office employee competition where you compete to see who is really the best, but you don't get paid to do it. Who would be lining up to go? Sure, riding a dirt bike is a whole heck of a lot better than working in the office, but it's still work and I can't blame these guys for wanting time off the bike.

Will they regret it when they are older? Probably, but at 20 something and with all their commitments I can see why some have chose not to go.
Again, changing the date for the biggest race of the year just because one country has a screwed up season schedule, makes no sense.

I think Ferrandis knows he won't be good enough. He's out of practice in the deep dutch sand and he would be picked because on a normal day he's the best mx2 rider France has, but in the sand he'd get whupped by the GP regulars all day every day. Add that to the ease of using a European based rider and team compared to the hassle of Star having to send stuff and it all makes sense.

Tldr: The American schedule sucks. It wears the rider and teams out. Less teams afford to go racing=less paying rides and riders are reluctant on doing off-races like MXoN. Also a lot of fans gets bored with the way to long SX schedule. 30-40% less supercross races would fix a lot of things.
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Yes the ONE country that drives the ENTIRE industry... #KAG
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Ray_MXS wrote:
Again, changing the date for the biggest race of the year just because [b]one[/b] country has a screwed up season schedule, makes no sense. I think...
Again, changing the date for the biggest race of the year just because one country has a screwed up season schedule, makes no sense.

I think Ferrandis knows he won't be good enough. He's out of practice in the deep dutch sand and he would be picked because on a normal day he's the best mx2 rider France has, but in the sand he'd get whupped by the GP regulars all day every day. Add that to the ease of using a European based rider and team compared to the hassle of Star having to send stuff and it all makes sense.

Tldr: The American schedule sucks. It wears the rider and teams out. Less teams afford to go racing=less paying rides and riders are reluctant on doing off-races like MXoN. Also a lot of fans gets bored with the way to long SX schedule. 30-40% less supercross races would fix a lot of things.
I don't feel the date needs to be changed, but would like to point out the fact that many racers from around the world compete in that one country alone, where the WORLD SX Championship is held. It's not a matter of one country and it's riders.
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Dirty Points 7/9/2019 9:55am
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Ray_MXS wrote:
Again, changing the date for the biggest race of the year just because [b]one[/b] country has a screwed up season schedule, makes no sense. I think...
Again, changing the date for the biggest race of the year just because one country has a screwed up season schedule, makes no sense.

I think Ferrandis knows he won't be good enough. He's out of practice in the deep dutch sand and he would be picked because on a normal day he's the best mx2 rider France has, but in the sand he'd get whupped by the GP regulars all day every day. Add that to the ease of using a European based rider and team compared to the hassle of Star having to send stuff and it all makes sense.

Tldr: The American schedule sucks. It wears the rider and teams out. Less teams afford to go racing=less paying rides and riders are reluctant on doing off-races like MXoN. Also a lot of fans gets bored with the way to long SX schedule. 30-40% less supercross races would fix a lot of things.
You are playing dumb.

Yes it is in one country, but it also arguably one of the largest race series in the world, that has top athletes from US, France, UK , Japan, Germany, AUS, etc.
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ProbablyDave 7/9/2019 9:59am
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Does this mean all the non-American posters are going to pile on Dylan for "making excuses" and not wanting to participate because he "might lose" like...
Does this mean all the non-American posters are going to pile on Dylan for "making excuses" and not wanting to participate because he "might lose" like they do for team USA? Doubt it. Funny that a French rider who has won the event recently shares the same sentiment as the Americans, yet he won't catch any flack for it.
There's a difference between an entire team dropping out and just one rider. Not that team USA were ever going to drop out this year. It was only a few fans that said they shouldn't go. I think a fair comparison is between Tomac and Ferrandis. I respoect the honesty of Ferrandis, but if he gets the same shit that Tomac got for not going then fair enough. I don't think he'll care though!
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mx 219 wrote:
I think if the MXoN is going to continue to be run the AMA and FIM almost need to meet and agree on when it will...
I think if the MXoN is going to continue to be run the AMA and FIM almost need to meet and agree on when it will be held.

Unfortunately, it's all about the money; with rumors of SX schedules getting longer I think this may be the beginning of the end for the MXoN. So Dungey started the trend? Eli and Marvin followed suit, now Ferrandis, do I have that right?

For the AMA guys I get it though; they race 29 weekends, 30 with Monster Cup. They have what like 4-5 weeks break during that 29 race schedule. Yeah, back in the day you were proud to be selected; but things are changing and can't expect the guys today to have the same amount of pride to race when their careers are on the line.

It's like working in the office everyday and then being selected for a best office employee competition where you compete to see who is really the best, but you don't get paid to do it. Who would be lining up to go? Sure, riding a dirt bike is a whole heck of a lot better than working in the office, but it's still work and I can't blame these guys for wanting time off the bike.

Will they regret it when they are older? Probably, but at 20 something and with all their commitments I can see why some have chose not to go.
Ray_MXS wrote:
Again, changing the date for the biggest race of the year just because [b]one[/b] country has a screwed up season schedule, makes no sense. I think...
Again, changing the date for the biggest race of the year just because one country has a screwed up season schedule, makes no sense.

I think Ferrandis knows he won't be good enough. He's out of practice in the deep dutch sand and he would be picked because on a normal day he's the best mx2 rider France has, but in the sand he'd get whupped by the GP regulars all day every day. Add that to the ease of using a European based rider and team compared to the hassle of Star having to send stuff and it all makes sense.

Tldr: The American schedule sucks. It wears the rider and teams out. Less teams afford to go racing=less paying rides and riders are reluctant on doing off-races like MXoN. Also a lot of fans gets bored with the way to long SX schedule. 30-40% less supercross races would fix a lot of things.
Less teams less paying rides? Our one country has more teams and riders than your entire, failing, "European Union"...And as little as we pay we still actually pay prize money to our riders...unlike your socialist shitshow of a series...#KAG
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Don't get me wrong, it's one of the biggest motocross countries in the world. But it doesn't compare to all the other countries combined. Still not close to enough to change the dates of a race thats for the entire globe just so one country can come race. USA still gets three riders, just like everyone else.
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Dirty Points 7/9/2019 10:02am
7/9/2019 10:02am Edited Date/Time 7/9/2019 10:08am
Ray_MXS wrote:
Don't get me wrong, it's one of the biggest motocross countries in the world. But it doesn't compare to [b]all the other countries[/b] combined. Still not...
Don't get me wrong, it's one of the biggest motocross countries in the world. But it doesn't compare to all the other countries combined. Still not close to enough to change the dates of a race thats for the entire globe just so one country can come race. USA still gets three riders, just like everyone else.
But the American SX/MX schedule being out of step with Youthstream's promotional/scheduling choices doesn't just effect the three USA riders.

This thread is about a non USA rider: A three time MXdN Champion, and winning MX2 GP rider who is electing not to participate due to the scheduling.
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Ray_MXS 7/9/2019 10:04am
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seventeen wrote:
Less teams less paying rides? Our one country has more teams and riders than your entire, failing, "European Union"...And as little as we pay we still...
Less teams less paying rides? Our one country has more teams and riders than your entire, failing, "European Union"...And as little as we pay we still actually pay prize money to our riders...unlike your socialist shitshow of a series...#KAG


And all I said was that the season is to long. If the season was shorter there'd be more teams that could afford to go race = more paying rides. I didn't say anything about it beeing less rides in US than any other country. Don't make this discussion something it's not.
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Finnish_Flash_62 7/9/2019 10:05am
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I came here to comment how bummed I am about Ferrandis not going. Blown away that even this thread has already turned in to the never ending USA vs the World and schedule changing bs.
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7/9/2019 10:07am Edited Date/Time 7/9/2019 10:09am
sam hain wrote:
I'm gaining more and more respect for Dylan, I like his transparency. He's a no BS kinda guy and I appreciate that in these days and...
I'm gaining more and more respect for Dylan, I like his transparency. He's a no BS kinda guy and I appreciate that in these days and times.
I was already a fan but I like a lot what I have seen in the last 9 months on and off the track, since Bercy where he quite surprisingly managed to be solid on a 450 against all the best guys, even getting a night win.

In term of communication, it is very transparent, not everybody will like it but I think the vast majority will. I think he is a great addition to the ama series, the fact that he is not a rookie brings a bit of color, a bit like Hunter Lawrence.

And in term of selection, I think Vialle can do as good in Assen, because he always gets great starts, knows the track, trained half of the winter in the sand, and has been very calm and collected for his first pro season, imo he is the rookie of the year in mx2. On a sand track, in 250 nobody will touch Prado, and against 450's, it is rare to see 250 riders getting near the top 6 even in the mx2/open moto. Maybe Ferrandis could have score a 9 - 5th or 7th, so in the mx2/open moto if Vialle gets a top 8 the whole team remains in good position for a podium or the win. A good score will be needed anyway because there are probably at least 4 teams capable to win.

Last but not least, a bit of incentive, money, should be "normal" in a race that is billed more than 1 million to the organizer.
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Ray_MXS 7/9/2019 10:12am
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Ray_MXS wrote:
Don't get me wrong, it's one of the biggest motocross countries in the world. But it doesn't compare to [b]all the other countries[/b] combined. Still not...
Don't get me wrong, it's one of the biggest motocross countries in the world. But it doesn't compare to all the other countries combined. Still not close to enough to change the dates of a race thats for the entire globe just so one country can come race. USA still gets three riders, just like everyone else.
Dirty Points wrote:
But the American SX/MX schedule being out of step with Youthstream's promotional/scheduling choices doesn't just effect the three USA riders. This thread is about a non...
But the American SX/MX schedule being out of step with Youthstream's promotional/scheduling choices doesn't just effect the three USA riders.

This thread is about a non USA rider: A three time MXdN Champion, and winning MX2 GP rider who is electing not to participate due to the scheduling.
Yes I know and I commented on the US season schedule, which Ferrandis very much races. It affects all the riders doing the US season. But it was also about the people thinking the date for the MXoN needed to change because it doesn't fit the riders racing the the US series. The long US season is a big part in why they don't feel like they wanna do the race, American or not. A shorter series wouldn't stress the riders so much and more of them might wanna go race the MXoN, making that event also better.
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Finnish_Flash_62 7/9/2019 10:13am
7/9/2019 10:13am
RG1 wrote:
No chance. USA will easily make it, it will be a challenging track for them but I fully expect them to be around the Top 5...
No chance. USA will easily make it, it will be a challenging track for them but I fully expect them to be around the Top 5 in the team standings.

As far as Ferrandis not going, I think that sucks, he’s basically saying he’s not going cos the track is too difficult, which is a bit lame, he rides the sand well, so I don’t understand why he’s that worried about it. It’s a bit of a blow to France, but they have some capable young talent around at the moment. I still fancy them to challenge for the win
Adam’s comment about how they maybe should race the MotoGP track and not the sand is absolute gold Laughing
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Dirty Points 7/9/2019 10:13am
7/9/2019 10:13am Edited Date/Time 7/9/2019 10:23am
sam hain wrote:
I'm gaining more and more respect for Dylan, I like his transparency. He's a no BS kinda guy and I appreciate that in these days and...
I'm gaining more and more respect for Dylan, I like his transparency. He's a no BS kinda guy and I appreciate that in these days and times.
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I was already a fan but I like a lot what I have seen in the last 9 months on and off the track, since Bercy...
I was already a fan but I like a lot what I have seen in the last 9 months on and off the track, since Bercy where he quite surprisingly managed to be solid on a 450 against all the best guys, even getting a night win.

In term of communication, it is very transparent, not everybody will like it but I think the vast majority will. I think he is a great addition to the ama series, the fact that he is not a rookie brings a bit of color, a bit like Hunter Lawrence.

And in term of selection, I think Vialle can do as good in Assen, because he always gets great starts, knows the track, trained half of the winter in the sand, and has been very calm and collected for his first pro season, imo he is the rookie of the year in mx2. On a sand track, in 250 nobody will touch Prado, and against 450's, it is rare to see 250 riders getting near the top 6 even in the mx2/open moto. Maybe Ferrandis could have score a 9 - 5th or 7th, so in the mx2/open moto if Vialle gets a top 8 the whole team remains in good position for a podium or the win. A good score will be needed anyway because there are probably at least 4 teams capable to win.

Last but not least, a bit of incentive, money, should be "normal" in a race that is billed more than 1 million to the organizer.
Teams, tracks, countries, and riders dump so much time and money into this event, and the only entity that walks with any financial return is the promoter. It doesn't surprise me that some teams or riders just would rather take the weekend off.
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agn5009 7/9/2019 10:14am
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Ray_MXS wrote:
Don't get me wrong, it's one of the biggest motocross countries in the world. But it doesn't compare to [b]all the other countries[/b] combined. Still not...
Don't get me wrong, it's one of the biggest motocross countries in the world. But it doesn't compare to all the other countries combined. Still not close to enough to change the dates of a race thats for the entire globe just so one country can come race. USA still gets three riders, just like everyone else.
Dirty Points wrote:
But the American SX/MX schedule being out of step with Youthstream's promotional/scheduling choices doesn't just effect the three USA riders. This thread is about a non...
But the American SX/MX schedule being out of step with Youthstream's promotional/scheduling choices doesn't just effect the three USA riders.

This thread is about a non USA rider: A three time MXdN Champion, and winning MX2 GP rider who is electing not to participate due to the scheduling.
Yep. Don’t forget, Musquin won’t be there either. Gajser probably won’t be there. Who knows if Tomac will be there. Roczen could very well elect not to participate. If those guys don’t go, that’s 5 of the fastest dirt bike riders in the world who may not attend. Something needs to change. I just don’t know what.
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seventeen 7/9/2019 10:16am
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Ray_MXS wrote:
Don't get me wrong, it's one of the biggest motocross countries in the world. But it doesn't compare to [b]all the other countries[/b] combined. Still not...
Don't get me wrong, it's one of the biggest motocross countries in the world. But it doesn't compare to all the other countries combined. Still not close to enough to change the dates of a race thats for the entire globe just so one country can come race. USA still gets three riders, just like everyone else.
Dirty Points wrote:
But the American SX/MX schedule being out of step with Youthstream's promotional/scheduling choices doesn't just effect the three USA riders. This thread is about a non...
But the American SX/MX schedule being out of step with Youthstream's promotional/scheduling choices doesn't just effect the three USA riders.

This thread is about a non USA rider: A three time MXdN Champion, and winning MX2 GP rider who is electing not to participate due to the scheduling.
agn5009 wrote:
Yep. Don’t forget, Musquin won’t be there either. Gajser probably won’t be there. Who knows if Tomac will be there. Roczen could very well elect not...
Yep. Don’t forget, Musquin won’t be there either. Gajser probably won’t be there. Who knows if Tomac will be there. Roczen could very well elect not to participate. If those guys don’t go, that’s 5 of the fastest dirt bike riders in the world who may not attend. Something needs to change. I just don’t know what.
Europe one year, America the next. Repeat.
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Dirty Points 7/9/2019 10:18am
7/9/2019 10:18am Edited Date/Time 7/9/2019 10:19am
Ray_MXS wrote:
Yes I know and I commented on the US season schedule, which Ferrandis very much races. It affects all the riders doing the US season. But...
Yes I know and I commented on the US season schedule, which Ferrandis very much races. It affects all the riders doing the US season. But it was also about the people thinking the date for the MXoN needed to change because it doesn't fit the riders racing the the US series. The long US season is a big part in why they don't feel like they wanna do the race, American or not. A shorter series wouldn't stress the riders so much and more of them might wanna go race the MXoN, making that event also better.
The length of the season is an issue, but not one likely to be remedied any time soon. If the MXoN promoter wants top teams and athletes involved, they need to be at least cognizant of the top teams and athletes professional schedules.
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RichardLoots 7/9/2019 10:29am
7/9/2019 10:29am Edited Date/Time 7/9/2019 11:00am
seventeen wrote:
Europe one year, America the next. Repeat.
Laughing Laughing Laughing

just for the record , you dont seem that smart but Europe isnt a country ...
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Dirty Points 7/9/2019 10:30am
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Ray_MXS wrote:
Don't get me wrong, it's one of the biggest motocross countries in the world. But it doesn't compare to [b]all the other countries[/b] combined. Still not...
Don't get me wrong, it's one of the biggest motocross countries in the world. But it doesn't compare to all the other countries combined. Still not close to enough to change the dates of a race thats for the entire globe just so one country can come race. USA still gets three riders, just like everyone else.
Dirty Points wrote:
But the American SX/MX schedule being out of step with Youthstream's promotional/scheduling choices doesn't just effect the three USA riders. This thread is about a non...
But the American SX/MX schedule being out of step with Youthstream's promotional/scheduling choices doesn't just effect the three USA riders.

This thread is about a non USA rider: A three time MXdN Champion, and winning MX2 GP rider who is electing not to participate due to the scheduling.
agn5009 wrote:
Yep. Don’t forget, Musquin won’t be there either. Gajser probably won’t be there. Who knows if Tomac will be there. Roczen could very well elect not...
Yep. Don’t forget, Musquin won’t be there either. Gajser probably won’t be there. Who knows if Tomac will be there. Roczen could very well elect not to participate. If those guys don’t go, that’s 5 of the fastest dirt bike riders in the world who may not attend. Something needs to change. I just don’t know what.
If no riders from the US Series ride, what really separates it from any other Youthstream race, except team scoring and a generally weaker field?
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seventeen wrote:
Less teams less paying rides? Our one country has more teams and riders than your entire, failing, "European Union"...And as little as we pay we still...
Less teams less paying rides? Our one country has more teams and riders than your entire, failing, "European Union"...And as little as we pay we still actually pay prize money to our riders...unlike your socialist shitshow of a series...#KAG
Is your user name your age or your IQ?
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RichardLoots 7/9/2019 10:31am
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there is only 1 problem in schedule , the MEC and the time and place for this race makes no sense at all ..

MEC should be a SX warm up race and not a MX season closing race a week after MXON

all problems solved Wink


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-MAVERICK- 7/9/2019 10:34am
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RG1 wrote:
No chance. USA will easily make it, it will be a challenging track for them but I fully expect them to be around the Top 5...
No chance. USA will easily make it, it will be a challenging track for them but I fully expect them to be around the Top 5 in the team standings.

As far as Ferrandis not going, I think that sucks, he’s basically saying he’s not going cos the track is too difficult, which is a bit lame, he rides the sand well, so I don’t understand why he’s that worried about it. It’s a bit of a blow to France, but they have some capable young talent around at the moment. I still fancy them to challenge for the win
I don't think Ferrandis is making any excuses or saying the track will be too difficult. Would I like to see him go and represent France, of course.

Here's how I see it.

The MXdN takes place 5 weeks after the last National at Ironman. Most of the teams by then will have started testing new bikes for SX, which unfortunately in the US is what pays the bills. For him to put in his best effort at Assen he would not only have to continue training and riding MX but would have to go over there 2 weeks in advance which would be an out of pocket expense. The team wouldn't pay for those expenses and neither would the FFM.

Why is it not worth it for him?

Heading in 2020 it will most likely not only be Ferrandis' last year on a 250 but he'll be the defending 250 West SX champ and for him to have the best chance at defending his title he can't afford to have a late start in testing. If he can successfully defend his SX title in 2020 he will put himself in a great place when it comes to negotiating a 450 ride. Yamaha will want to retain his services and others will be looking to acquire him. In this case, securing a top 450 ride is more important for his career than going to Assen to represent France.

Simply put, 2020 will be one of, if not the most important year of Dylan's career.

If it was any other year I could see him going to MXdN. Now, the question is, will him skipping the 2019 MXdN put him on the shit list alongside Musquin for Team France? I hope not.
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Muscle-Milk-KTM 7/9/2019 10:41am
7/9/2019 10:41am
I wonder if he’ll ride in France next year if he’s chosen?
jorgechavez 7/9/2019 10:48am
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RichardLoots wrote:
there is only 1 problem in schedule , the MEC and the time and place for this race makes no sense at all .. MEC should...
there is only 1 problem in schedule , the MEC and the time and place for this race makes no sense at all ..

MEC should be a SX warm up race and not a MX season closing race a week after MXON

all problems solved Wink


Wait I thought MEC was a meaningless exhibition supercross race, surely it should have no effect on the participation of the most important event in the sport?
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Edge-Of-Adhesion 7/9/2019 10:51am
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He is right though, its sand (Southwick isn't sand in the same manner). Its like the sand section of a supercross track, for an entire lap...
He is right though, its sand (Southwick isn't sand in the same manner). Its like the sand section of a supercross track, for an entire lap.

Its going to be hard for the US (and US based) riders to compete.
Edge-Of-Adhesion wrote:
I actually think USA will do quite well to qualify for the A final. As for Ferrandis not going, he should step up for his country...
I actually think USA will do quite well to qualify for the A final.

As for Ferrandis not going, he should step up for his country like most self-respecting citizens would. I doubt if the French fans will care too much as Tom Vialle would probably be the better pick anyway.



RG1 wrote:
No chance. USA will easily make it, it will be a challenging track for them but I fully expect them to be around the Top 5...
No chance. USA will easily make it, it will be a challenging track for them but I fully expect them to be around the Top 5 in the team standings.

As far as Ferrandis not going, I think that sucks, he’s basically saying he’s not going cos the track is too difficult, which is a bit lame, he rides the sand well, so I don’t understand why he’s that worried about it. It’s a bit of a blow to France, but they have some capable young talent around at the moment. I still fancy them to challenge for the win
Call me crazy but given the choice between the considered view of Dylan Ferrandis who told some hot favorite Team USA riders that ''you’re going to get passed by guys you’ve never heard off before'' and some anonymous soul on an internet forum, I'll plump for Ferrandis.

I don't say it to diss Team USA, they simply don't ride tracks that are 100% sand but you can't blame them.That was his point. In some ways it would be as challenging as it would be for Europeans if they held it at Anaheim.
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yak651 7/9/2019 10:56am
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Aren't the MX and MX2 titles basically decided already? Just stop their season when the US season ends, heck they cancel half the races on the schedule anyhow. Problem solved. Your welcome.
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Ray_MXS 7/9/2019 10:56am
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I also think Dylan is exaggerating a bit about the sand. Sure the US based riders might be at a disadvantage in the sand compared to the GP regulars but Dungey, Barcia and Baggett did finish a very respectable 3rd in 2012 at Lommel (LOMMEL!) and there wasn't more sand tracks on the US schedule then .

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agn5009 7/9/2019 11:00am
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Dirty Points wrote:
But the American SX/MX schedule being out of step with Youthstream's promotional/scheduling choices doesn't just effect the three USA riders. This thread is about a non...
But the American SX/MX schedule being out of step with Youthstream's promotional/scheduling choices doesn't just effect the three USA riders.

This thread is about a non USA rider: A three time MXdN Champion, and winning MX2 GP rider who is electing not to participate due to the scheduling.
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Yep. Don’t forget, Musquin won’t be there either. Gajser probably won’t be there. Who knows if Tomac will be there. Roczen could very well elect not...
Yep. Don’t forget, Musquin won’t be there either. Gajser probably won’t be there. Who knows if Tomac will be there. Roczen could very well elect not to participate. If those guys don’t go, that’s 5 of the fastest dirt bike riders in the world who may not attend. Something needs to change. I just don’t know what.
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If no riders from the US Series ride, what really separates it from any other Youthstream race, except team scoring and a generally weaker field?
Absolutely nothing separates it. I know people hate to admit it, but the MXdN is typically treated as USA vs. everyone else. I know it’s “not” USA vs. everyone else but people tend to make it be exactly that.
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