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Personally, I was more socially awkward in traditional schools. I didn’t have the best of luck with bullying and overall lack of acceptance from other students...or teachers/staff who cared very little to help out with these problem children. Going to independent studies and being able to focus on things I cared for without the negatives honestly helped in so many ways. At the rate I was going in traditional school systems, I don’t want to know where I would’ve ended up. By the later part of 7th and 8th grade I was becoming a fairly depressed kid.
My brother and sister (older) were formally educated.
As kids to young adults (Grades 1 - 12) we are taught Jeopardy trivia question material for the most part. It's just pathetic that most of that material we learn in school and those questions asked in the video will have zero use in actually obtaining a job with the means to support yourself.
Public schools have gone away with the one educational tool that was extremely useful and something I don't believe every home school has... That's vocational programs for real world jobs and trades.
I have MX to think for my career. It was the real world interest in design and mechanics as a kid that kept me learning and developing a skill set that made me attractive to employers, very little came from anything taught in a class room..
https://www.spsk12.net/programs/cte
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You sound like someone afraid of the truth and actual facts, who’d much rather just wallow in bits of confirmation bias of your preconceived notions.
Of course I doubt a public school could ever do anything like that today due to liablity concerns. I guess schools get around liability issues with their sports programs so maybe there could be a way yet today. The programs around here were dismantled decades ago. Labor laws really restrict what young people are allowed to do these days and theres been way, way too much emphasis on kids getting a college education. The young guys we bring in today are really inexperienced and work brittle compared to what I remember back when I was young.
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Vocational programs have actually gotten better in the 30 years since I went to high school, and it has a lot to do with schools pooling their resources so that they can offer better training to students interested instead of just having the old wood and metal shop classes.
I remember in high school I started asking teachers to explain to me the practical application of any particular subject I myself thought was "useless". Normally the answers were pathetic and in reference to "you'll need this in college".
But the notion that school systems have abandoned vocational education is a myth. They've changed it, and it isn't quite like the old days of showing up in wood shop to get the easy A like it used to be, obviously. Vocational education has improved greatly, but it takes some effort on the part of students and parents to take advantage of the opportunities. That's probably the biggest difference, it isn't quite as spoon fed as it was before. There are more vocational programs being offered than ever before, yet people don't take the time to even know what is available in their own school districts.
https://cjuhsd-ca.schoolloop.com/pf4/cms2/view_page?d=x&group_id=130356…
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Vocational programs do tend to attract some students who’ll work pretty hard to get out of other schoolwork and I suppose some of the ADD, ADHD kids may gravitate to it too. Around here they’re gonna get a bus drive to another school every day so there’s mischief that will occur. I guess if an instructor doesn’t feel he can handle many of those types in his class then that’d be a reason not to advertise the program. I also know its funded by grants and a lot of the small school districts like ours make a concerted effort to go after grant money. If they can collect the money and not have accountability showing they’re spending it for its intended purpose; they’ll use the money for other things.
But again, this reveals a couple of the real issues with the misconceptions of current vocational education. People tend to believe rumors of things that back up their preconceptions, and they don't have the desire to educate themselves on what the reality truly is. It was easy for me to find this program from a couple thousand miles away, yet a resident of the area claims that the program was shut down decades ago and there is no vocational education for students in their area.
We've gotten to the point in this country that unless someone puts the info directly in front of our face we feel that we aren't being informed, there's no responsibility on us to seek out solutions. We simply parrot the complaints that we want to believe as fact, and wallow in our own disgust for the "reality" that we've constructed in our own mind.
Another thing I've noticed, most people that I know who complain about schools today won't even take the time to attend a single school board meeting or get involved with helping shape the goals and direction of their educational system. It's less convenient than just repeating negativity and rumors.....
My wife and I are fans of Mike Rowe's shows and he really pushes for an increased presence of vocational school programs and enrollment. I'd think that with our declining workforce, the required shift to technology solutions to attempt to make-up for the lost manpower should surely drive demand for service techs, machine operators and programmers. Hopefully the US stays engaged to cover these areas. As for construction work, a lot of that has already shifted to Mexican tradesmen; they welcome the work and can tolerate the heat. We've employed some in the past both legal and illegal; they'll work every available hour we'll let them work and do every job we ask them to do. If they are complaining like the US kids sometimes do, I don't hear it as I don't speak the language
I like Mike Rowe’s folksy schtick too. But I view it more as entertainment. There’s a reason why he studied communications and works in entertainment. He has had the means to become a tradesman for quite some time, yet still hasn’t ever actually done it. He is great at portraying a character, though, and he’s convincing to many as someone who works with his hands and such.
I don’t know if he has children or not, but it’d be interesting if he did and he discouraged them from a college education or not.
I don't have Kids, we are not having any either. I'm not going to a school board meeting to tell some wankers how to do their job. I'll just work 80 hours like I'm doing this week and complain about it on Vital!
But it's pretty obvious that the school itself is still functioning and serving students. Here's a story talking about a grant it received just 2 months ago.
https://www.suffolknewsherald.com/2019/05/03/pruden-receives-state-gran…
And I'm definitely not surprised about someone complaining about a nonexistent problem not wanting to be part of a "solution". That's pretty standard, even if there actually were a problem.....
I posted in this thread to defend homeschooling and highlight that things aren’t perfect in the public school world either. I, as others here, feel vocational education is a weak area in our society possibly as a result of US educational policy and that needs rectified.
And I replied to your thoughts about the lack of vocational education because it is contrary to what is actually happening. You reached your thoughts without even doing the most basic of investigations to see what is available in your local area, and compounded that by projecting those feelings nationwide.
I'll look forward to seeing how you work with your local vocational education school to help fix the "problem". You can affect an awful lot of good in your local area and beyond, Or just blame it on some vague "US educational policy" and call it good.
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