Remove Ethanol From Your Gasoline

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jbrownmxr 7/3/2019 6:57pm
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I fuckin hate ethanol.

The science works. Simple organic extraction using the hydrophilic (likes water) property of ethanol and the hydrophobic property (doesn’t like water) of gasoline.
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I just buy non ethanol to run in our work atvs, side by sides, and small engines
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Kennyfreemoney 7/3/2019 8:43pm
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JustMX wrote:
I just buy non ethanol to run in our work atvs, side by sides, and small engines
Thats good where you can get it. Some states, and lots of countries, don’t allow non-ethanol gas to be sold
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If you pull the ethanol it removes much of the octane. Good luck with your 80 octane fuel that is left over.....
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Genius!
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77Moto 7/3/2019 9:32pm
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You can do this with pure methanol or ethanol. You can keep adding water until it is saturated, then it falls out. About 48% of its weight in water is absorbed.


Look at 50%, 70% or 91% rubbing alcohol. The rest is water which is suspended. If they sold 45% rubbing alcohol, there would be a little puddle of water at the bottom of the bottle which couldn't be absorbed.

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kwebster447 7/3/2019 9:39pm
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gsxr6 wrote:
If you pull the ethanol it removes much of the octane. Good luck with your 80 octane fuel that is left over.....
It would only reduce octane from 91 to about 89
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SEEMEFIRST 7/3/2019 9:44pm
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gsxr6 wrote:
If you pull the ethanol it removes much of the octane. Good luck with your 80 octane fuel that is left over.....
Really?
I'm confused because we had octane suitable before ethanol.
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SEEMEFIRST 7/3/2019 9:47pm
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From what I understand, ethanol provides lower octane numbers.

Evidently octane is a confusing thing.
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77Moto 7/3/2019 9:59pm
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SEEMEFIRST wrote:
From what I understand, ethanol provides lower octane numbers.

Evidently octane is a confusing thing.
Both Methanol and Ethanol are in the 110-115 range.

E85 is 108 or so the pump says. The next cheapest octane improver is TEL.
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gsxr6 7/3/2019 10:30pm
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Alcohol cools excellent, has a super high octane, makes it a great racing fuel. Nope, our gas now days is a very poor octane, with alcohol covering for the lack of ethyl lead. But neways
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BRX-WRX 7/3/2019 10:32pm
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Interesting. Long time ago when ethanol was being at most gas stations. Casey's General gas stations sold non ethanol (regular) 89octane and (premium) with ethanol 91octane ? Anyway back then I read a article a bought how to check your gas to see if and how much ethanol was in your gas. the video above shows what I read.
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gsxr6 7/3/2019 10:34pm
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gsxr6 wrote:
If you pull the ethanol it removes much of the octane. Good luck with your 80 octane fuel that is left over.....
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Really?
I'm confused because we had octane suitable before ethanol.
Think of the wells around the world as a still. At the bottom is the tar, at the top the most premium stuff. Well, we sucked the top of most of the world's wells dry al ong time ago. The fuel that is left now is much less of a high quality than say in the 60s, with additives to make up for it's poor quality and lack of lead. Alcohol cools incredibly when evaporating, so when it is turned from a liquid to a vapor it has quite the effect on pinging, effectively giving it excellent octane numbers in testing. Is the whole reason many highly tuned engines are run on it, as the octane is so high it allows wicked cool compression ratios. Broski
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gsxr6 7/3/2019 10:40pm
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Ethanol free, non leaded high octane gas is ultra expensive due to lack of supply. I'm sure the alcohol is used to bind in some water in our pump fuel as well, as I have seen fresh gas that took hours to evaporate after being spilled in the last several years, but that's a story for another night.
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Deja New 7/3/2019 11:11pm
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Am i seeing this wrong but what waste of time and money..... buy the time the ethanol is removed you lose a few litres / Gallons, so buying cheap ethanol just to remove it makes no cents {pun intended) would be cheaper just to buy the regular fuel.

Here in Aus reg is 91 oct and about $1.35 Ethanol is 94 oct and about $1.25 and 98 oct is about $1.45 per L i drive a Nissan Patrol 5.6V8 and find it runs best on ethanol feels like it has more power and i get better milage.

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Derpin' DJ 7/4/2019 2:07am
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Only problem I see with this is that you'd be saturating the petrol with water. Probably not such a big deal with petrol engines though
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kkawboy14 7/4/2019 2:25am
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Just pour it in an open 5 gallon bucket without a lid on it, light it with a match, let the ethanol burn out.......
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cody41 7/4/2019 3:42am
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I have been running pump fuel with ethanol in every bike since I have started riding, 13 years, and have had zero issues whatsoever. I mix my two stroke gas 50/50 with pump race fuel, 100 octane, and it runs the same as straight race fuel on my butt dyno.
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resetjet 7/4/2019 4:12pm
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The ethanol argument is such a joke. A solution looking for a problem. Simple dont let it sit in your bike for 6 months or more and no issues. Go ride and quit worrying about problems that dont exist.
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BobPA 7/4/2019 4:23pm
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resetjet wrote:
The ethanol argument is such a joke. A solution looking for a problem. Simple dont let it sit in your bike for 6 months or more...
The ethanol argument is such a joke. A solution looking for a problem. Simple dont let it sit in your bike for 6 months or more and no issues. Go ride and quit worrying about problems that dont exist.
This right here.
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racerx217 7/4/2019 4:43pm
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Can we please turn this into a race fuel argument? I run t4 , its about $15 dollars a gallon, i like the smell of it.
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Ebs 7/4/2019 4:51pm
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Just go buy it. Ethanol free gas locations.

https://www.pure-gas.org/


Or hit up the local airstrip for avgas.
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ktmdan 7/4/2019 5:05pm
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Curious why everyone is so scared of ethanol? Do you leave gas in your bikes for 6 months at a time?
Underground 7/4/2019 5:18pm
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gsxr6 wrote:
If you pull the ethanol it removes much of the octane. Good luck with your 80 octane fuel that is left over.....
It's a cheap way of boosting shit quality refinement dregs
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Ebs 7/4/2019 5:19pm
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Gov subsidized lower performing product. Better fuel right up the road from me so I make the effort to buy that.
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Underground 7/4/2019 5:27pm
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Hope he doesn't get a phone call while pouring that fuel out with the phone sitting so close to the fumes in his top pocket
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harescrambled 7/4/2019 6:12pm
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Think of the wells around the world as a still. At the bottom is the tar, at the top the most premium stuff. Well, we sucked...
Think of the wells around the world as a still. At the bottom is the tar, at the top the most premium stuff. Well, we sucked the top of most of the world's wells dry al ong time ago. The fuel that is left now is much less of a high quality than say in the 60s, with additives to make up for it's poor quality and lack of lead. Alcohol cools incredibly when evaporating, so when it is turned from a liquid to a vapor it has quite the effect on pinging, effectively giving it excellent octane numbers in testing. Is the whole reason many highly tuned engines are run on it, as the octane is so high it allows wicked cool compression ratios. Broski
Not really...crude oil is not what we burn in our engines. It does have to be refined into the fuels and lubricants that we use. The difference in our fuels compared to 40 or more years ago, at least in the US is due to emissions regulations. For example...the fuel that's sold in California is different chemically than the fuels sold elsewhere in the US. That's one reason gasoline is more expensive in California...its a special blend. The lower volume makes it costlier per gallon.

Regarding your well analogy..at least with respect to the tight oil formations...most particularly in the Permian Basin, and Bakken formations...the deeper you drill the more oil you get. The problem with that is that the deeper you drill the lighter the oil is. Heavy crude is where you get a good amount of gasoline, your middle distillates, like diesel, kerosene, jet fuels, etc. In the lighter shale oils...some of those don't yield much middle distillate at all, in fact, some of it you can barely make gasoline from. You have to mix that stuff with heavier grades to get the correct weight to distill what we need
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gsxr6 7/4/2019 8:26pm
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The earth acts as a distillery itself. The top of the oil wells, the first 30%, the stuff we actually used up decades ago, was the good stuff. That's why regular used to be so high octane. The available product from Wells was of a much higher quality than what is left/able to be used today. Hence the need for alcohol to actually improve the quality of the fuel. Ahem I mean raise the octane. Stuffs garbage for sure and won't store worth a damn due to the alcohol.
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gsxr6 wrote:
The earth acts as a distillery itself. The top of the oil wells, the first 30%, the stuff we actually used up decades ago, was the...
The earth acts as a distillery itself. The top of the oil wells, the first 30%, the stuff we actually used up decades ago, was the good stuff. That's why regular used to be so high octane. The available product from Wells was of a much higher quality than what is left/able to be used today. Hence the need for alcohol to actually improve the quality of the fuel. Ahem I mean raise the octane. Stuffs garbage for sure and won't store worth a damn due to the alcohol.
Hmmm, cannot say I believe that one...
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tzmike 7/5/2019 3:16am
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Well, I had a post on home brew race fuel. So possibly adding the toluene to the extracted fuel would get some of the lost octane back. Just a thought.

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