If Someone Was Going to Catch Tomac,.....

Drtbykr wrote:

His rides through the pack are getting legendary! I’m so glad he isn’t a great starter. Those are rides you pay to see. Saw him live...

His rides through the pack are getting legendary! I’m so glad he isn’t a great starter.

Those are rides you pay to see. Saw him live once and he was fierce.

My three favorite riders all left championships on the table, but they r freaking legends.
Hannah (maybe left championships), Bradshaw and JS7 were balls out.

Eli hucking off a single for the lead, that’s entertainment.

Legendary rides trump championships for entertainment value.

whateversclever69 wrote:

Ken Roczen is the only person capable of beating Tomac straight up on a good day for both of them. He has the speed and euro...

Ken Roczen is the only person capable of beating Tomac straight up on a good day for both of them. He has the speed and euro momentum/standing up the entire track style which I believe leaves more room for raw speed than the muscle the bike and force it strategy. Hunter Lawrence used the euro momentum style vs AC this last weekend and the difference was visibly night and day on who was exerting more and who could have pushed further (Lawrence). I’m a huge AC fan and I love the scrubbing, brawling breaking bumps and revving the bike to the moon. It is still not ever going to beat someone who has mastered riding a gear higher and rarely sitting down.

That being said, Tomac on a good day is one of the fastest people on the planet. Seeing him beat when he is “on” is rare.

Ranman68 wrote:

I've noticed at both of these outdoor nationals that Webb runs a pretty good pace that is on par with the top guys or close, but...

I've noticed at both of these outdoor nationals that Webb runs a pretty good pace that is on par with the top guys or close, but it's just in the first half or two thirds of the race. Very good throttle control and very good drive out of corners. That's why Tomac had so much hell with Webb in moto 1.
Webb is falling off in lap times in the later part of the race. He's a little guy, so on fast outdoor tracks on a 450 for that length of time, he exerts himself. With some more time he will developed more strength and muscle. I think that is when he will become a serious contender outdoors. He has the smooth, mistake free, efficient style. His starts are superb and he hates losing, so I feel sure he's gonna be much better in the future. Maybe by later rounds we will see improvement.
For now though, Roczen and Osborn are the ones to to take it to Tomac if anyone is going to do it. Maybe Marvin if Tomac makes big mistakes. I say Roczen for obvious reasons, but I include Osborn because he is a little animal that never lets up.
If Tomac gets his starts to where they're fairly good and consistent, no one is going to beat that dude I don't think. He's only gonna get more dialed in and faster as the series progresses. The others have upped their game and there are several very fast guys that are fighting like hell, so it's gonna be a good series with some good battles. Just like the SX season was. Such a bummer Herlings couldn't be in it. Talk about icing on the cake. Only God knows how cool it would've been to see the Tomac ego and Herlings ego clash 12 races in a row. What a shame.

Ranman68 wrote:

I've noticed at both of these outdoor nationals that Webb runs a pretty good pace that is on par with the top guys or close, but...

I've noticed at both of these outdoor nationals that Webb runs a pretty good pace that is on par with the top guys or close, but it's just in the first half or two thirds of the race. Very good throttle control and very good drive out of corners. That's why Tomac had so much hell with Webb in moto 1.
Webb is falling off in lap times in the later part of the race. He's a little guy, so on fast outdoor tracks on a 450 for that length of time, he exerts himself. With some more time he will developed more strength and muscle. I think that is when he will become a serious contender outdoors. He has the smooth, mistake free, efficient style. His starts are superb and he hates losing, so I feel sure he's gonna be much better in the future. Maybe by later rounds we will see improvement.
For now though, Roczen and Osborn are the ones to to take it to Tomac if anyone is going to do it. Maybe Marvin if Tomac makes big mistakes. I say Roczen for obvious reasons, but I include Osborn because he is a little animal that never lets up.
If Tomac gets his starts to where they're fairly good and consistent, no one is going to beat that dude I don't think. He's only gonna get more dialed in and faster as the series progresses. The others have upped their game and there are several very fast guys that are fighting like hell, so it's gonna be a good series with some good battles. Just like the SX season was. Such a bummer Herlings couldn't be in it. Talk about icing on the cake. Only God knows how cool it would've been to see the Tomac ego and Herlings ego clash 12 races in a row. What a shame.

motomike137 wrote:

I have been really surprised by Anderson so far as well. He seems like he might have another gear as well. Imagine if he could find...

I have been really surprised by Anderson so far as well. He seems like he might have another gear as well. Imagine if he could find that "zone" that Eli goes into.

whateversclever69 wrote:

Ken Roczen is the only person capable of beating Tomac straight up on a good day for both of them. He has the speed and euro...

Ken Roczen is the only person capable of beating Tomac straight up on a good day for both of them. He has the speed and euro momentum/standing up the entire track style which I believe leaves more room for raw speed than the muscle the bike and force it strategy. Hunter Lawrence used the euro momentum style vs AC this last weekend and the difference was visibly night and day on who was exerting more and who could have pushed further (Lawrence). I’m a huge AC fan and I love the scrubbing, brawling breaking bumps and revving the bike to the moon. It is still not ever going to beat someone who has mastered riding a gear higher and rarely sitting down.

That being said, Tomac on a good day is one of the fastest people on the planet. Seeing him beat when he is “on” is rare.

RichardLoots wrote:

like always , a lot of IF and WHENS and mixed with some selective memory ...typical Tomaniacs :laugh: for now , they raced 8 moto's...

like always , a lot of IF and WHENS and mixed with some selective memory ...typical Tomaniacs

for now , they raced 8 moto's ? Herlings won 7 ?

but its close , i get your point , when excuses are applied its close

WCRider wrote:

I agree and disagree.

Tomac has never had good and equal conditions to fight with Herlings exept at WWranch.

Ranman68 wrote:

I was unfriended by this idiot because me giving a comment of yours was "a stab in the back" to Loots, so just know who's really...

I was unfriended by this idiot because me giving a comment of yours was "a stab in the back" to Loots, so just know who's really stabbing who in the back. There's more of this if you want to see it. Just fyi.

WCRider wrote:

I agree and disagree.

Tomac has never had good and equal conditions to fight with Herlings exept at WWranch.

Ranman68 wrote:

I was unfriended by this idiot because me giving a comment of yours was "a stab in the back" to Loots, so just know who's really...

I was unfriended by this idiot because me giving a comment of yours was "a stab in the back" to Loots, so just know who's really stabbing who in the back. There's more of this if you want to see it. Just fyi.

Underground wrote:

Dude, do yourself and everyone else on here a big favour and take yourself to a whore house and get properly laid. Don't stinge, 2 girls...

Dude, do yourself and everyone else on here a big favour and take yourself to a whore house and get properly laid. Don't stinge, 2 girls, a bag blow, $1000 and do it well. Cause wanking just isn't easing the pressure is it?

jorgechavez wrote:

Maybe I am wrong but while Tomac definitely has a "bulldog" type style, over the past two years I sort of feel like he's adopted some...

Maybe I am wrong but while Tomac definitely has a "bulldog" type style, over the past two years I sort of feel like he's adopted some of the Euro style as well. It's not quite the same as Kenny but you can see he tries to stand up very deep into the corners and keep his momentum.

jorgechavez wrote:

Maybe I am wrong but while Tomac definitely has a "bulldog" type style, over the past two years I sort of feel like he's adopted some...

Maybe I am wrong but while Tomac definitely has a "bulldog" type style, over the past two years I sort of feel like he's adopted some of the Euro style as well. It's not quite the same as Kenny but you can see he tries to stand up very deep into the corners and keep his momentum.

WCRider wrote:

He's not very a "Bulldog style" to me quite the contrary. He works a lot on his riding for sure. If I had to choose a...

He's not very a "Bulldog style" to me quite the contrary.

He works a lot on his riding for sure. If I had to choose a word to explain Tomac, I would say: "Optimization". It optimizes everything, no movement that is useless. I watch lots of details when he ride. . After the downhill before the left turn, he let the bike slide and control the throttle perfectly, it was faster than everyone else at this place. I like how he can cut the lines and pinned the trottle early in the corner. You need to have very strong abs and a lot of strength to do that. I like his S72 style in deep ruts into the corners.


Let's talk about the athlete, Tomac's shape is high level. Tomac is tough, train at altitude, very good genetics, great athlete. He is smart on the bike, how many times he brakes for dont touch the wheel of his opponent ? many times. He anticipates very well.

Amazing rider, A true american motocross beast.

Ranman68 wrote:

Indeed. They talk as if Marvin and Kenny have all this superior technique, but you don't go fast without good technique. Not for long anyway, and...

Indeed. They talk as if Marvin and Kenny have all this superior technique, but you don't go fast without good technique. Not for long anyway, and especially not at Tomac's speed. He can go that fast because of some incredibly good technique that is just different than Marv and Kenny in ways. Some of those techniques are unique to Tomac, and are why he can go faster than the others. His techniques are geared around aggressiveness and attacking more so than flowing, but he can and does flow in ways. I see Tomac doing things other ama riders don't do, and I see Herlings do things other GP riders don't do. Unique things they do (techniques) are what makes them faster than the others.