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5/19/2019 12:35am Edited Date/Time 5/19/2019 12:36am
Bummer to see fans rooting for an American racer to fail just because they have convinced themselves that it hurts the GP's somehow (it doesn't). I'm a fan and hope he gets it going this series.
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5/19/2019 1:07am
FlaNard wrote:
Bummer to see fans rooting for an American racer to fail just because they have convinced themselves that it hurts the GP's somehow (it doesn't). I'm...
Bummer to see fans rooting for an American racer to fail just because they have convinced themselves that it hurts the GP's somehow (it doesn't). I'm a fan and hope he gets it going this series.
Pretty much nailed it. Big shame.
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5/19/2019 1:12am
FlaNard wrote:
Bummer to see fans rooting for an American racer to fail just because they have convinced themselves that it hurts the GP's somehow (it doesn't). I'm...
Bummer to see fans rooting for an American racer to fail just because they have convinced themselves that it hurts the GP's somehow (it doesn't). I'm a fan and hope he gets it going this series.
exactly this ...

some on here like to be obsessed with it , proving a point using Tomas his poor results ... pathetic
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5/19/2019 4:09am
kb228 wrote:
Brutal truth right here.
It will be funny when that inferior group of riders blows the doors off team USA in Assen for the 8th year in a row ?
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5/19/2019 4:53am Edited Date/Time 5/19/2019 4:54am
Casting wrote:
Has gotta be an injury or illness. No logical reason he would go from winning GPs to top 30.

Logical reason is the pack in GPS is inferior
kb228 wrote:
Brutal truth right here.
Yeah just like Zac Osborne, gets podiums in GPs, goes to race in US and is a complete failure. Oh wait...
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5/19/2019 5:26am
He did better than I expected. LOL
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5/19/2019 5:59am
Logical reason is the pack in GPS is inferior
kb228 wrote:
Brutal truth right here.
Yeah just like Zac Osborne, gets podiums in GPs, goes to race in US and is a complete failure. Oh wait...
Don't feed the trolls
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5/19/2019 6:08am
He has to be hurt. No other explanation.
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5/19/2019 6:35am Edited Date/Time 5/19/2019 6:43am
I don't know how, but I am now of the opinion that US MX and MXGPs have now become disparate enough that we've seen that Forkner can outrun Herlings on US Circuits and Prado can outrun Tomac on GP ones.

That is just the way it is.

Covington is talented enough that given enough time, he should adjust. But a HUGE adjustment it (apparently) is.
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5/19/2019 7:04am
I don't know how, but I am now of the opinion that US MX and MXGPs have now become disparate enough that we've seen that Forkner...
I don't know how, but I am now of the opinion that US MX and MXGPs have now become disparate enough that we've seen that Forkner can outrun Herlings on US Circuits and Prado can outrun Tomac on GP ones.

That is just the way it is.

Covington is talented enough that given enough time, he should adjust. But a HUGE adjustment it (apparently) is.
Our guys got schooled at Red Bud.
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5/19/2019 7:06am Edited Date/Time 5/19/2019 7:29am
I don't know how, but I am now of the opinion that US MX and MXGPs have now become disparate enough that we've seen that Forkner...
I don't know how, but I am now of the opinion that US MX and MXGPs have now become disparate enough that we've seen that Forkner can outrun Herlings on US Circuits and Prado can outrun Tomac on GP ones.

That is just the way it is.

Covington is talented enough that given enough time, he should adjust. But a HUGE adjustment it (apparently) is.
ATKpilot99 wrote:
Our guys got schooled at Red Bud.
And one could say GP guys got schooled at Charlotte, Glen Helen, but most specifically with regard to Covington's US competition, Gatorback.

That's my point. There is something about the differences in racing that makes the comparison of series not 1 to 1. And Covington will need to negotiate that gap. Neither Roczen nor Ferrandis were able to immediately dominate the US 250s, and both were far superior and pedigree'd talent to Covington.

Racing is hard: Ferrandis finished 41st at Hangtown in 2017.
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5/19/2019 7:11am
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Is he the biggest flop in mx/sx history? So far Id say yes. Think about it, he is.
No way. Without even looking anything up I will throw out Brian Gray and Ian Trettle.

We have a glaringly obvious example of a rider not racing at 100% for one reason or another, and everyone is so quick to pile on like he is showing his full potential in 30th. Yes, SX was bad after he picked up an injury. He had a decent finish at his first SX, and will have some great finishes in MX this year once he can ride full tilt.

Covington has proven himself as a professional motocross race winner already. I still feel like expectations of him to compete for the title his first year were way off base - he never proved he could do that in MX2 - but, this ‘putting the nail in the coffin’ talk just baffles me.
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5/19/2019 7:58am Edited Date/Time 5/19/2019 8:02am
I don't know how, but I am now of the opinion that US MX and MXGPs have now become disparate enough that we've seen that Forkner...
I don't know how, but I am now of the opinion that US MX and MXGPs have now become disparate enough that we've seen that Forkner can outrun Herlings on US Circuits and Prado can outrun Tomac on GP ones.

That is just the way it is.

Covington is talented enough that given enough time, he should adjust. But a HUGE adjustment it (apparently) is.
ATKpilot99 wrote:
Our guys got schooled at Red Bud.
And one could say GP guys got schooled at Charlotte, Glen Helen, but most specifically with regard to Covington's US competition, Gatorback. That's my point. There...
And one could say GP guys got schooled at Charlotte, Glen Helen, but most specifically with regard to Covington's US competition, Gatorback.

That's my point. There is something about the differences in racing that makes the comparison of series not 1 to 1. And Covington will need to negotiate that gap. Neither Roczen nor Ferrandis were able to immediately dominate the US 250s, and both were far superior and pedigree'd talent to Covington.

Racing is hard: Ferrandis finished 41st at Hangtown in 2017.
... and won at the next round with a 23 second lead.

Something is wrong with Covington and that has nothing to do with GPs vs US.
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5/19/2019 8:01am Edited Date/Time 5/19/2019 8:03am
ATKpilot99 wrote:
Our guys got schooled at Red Bud.
And one could say GP guys got schooled at Charlotte, Glen Helen, but most specifically with regard to Covington's US competition, Gatorback. That's my point. There...
And one could say GP guys got schooled at Charlotte, Glen Helen, but most specifically with regard to Covington's US competition, Gatorback.

That's my point. There is something about the differences in racing that makes the comparison of series not 1 to 1. And Covington will need to negotiate that gap. Neither Roczen nor Ferrandis were able to immediately dominate the US 250s, and both were far superior and pedigree'd talent to Covington.

Racing is hard: Ferrandis finished 41st at Hangtown in 2017.
NVA57 wrote:
... and won at the next round with a 23 second lead. Something is wrong with Covington and that has nothing to do with GPs vs...
... and won at the next round with a 23 second lead.

Something is wrong with Covington and that has nothing to do with GPs vs US.
Actually, he finished 9th, then won a single moto with a 23 second lead, which further punctuates how things can change for these inexperienced guys.
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5/19/2019 9:00am
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You fucking squids crack me up with all yer ragging on a pro mxer. Not one of you... Well maybe one can ride worth a shit...
You fucking squids crack me up with all yer ragging on a pro mxer. Not one of you... Well maybe one can ride worth a shit... You ignorant pathetic squids.
Keep reading Bobby...there’s more about “Flops” & who’s fast & who’s not...

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5/19/2019 9:17am
Motofinne wrote:
Covington is dealing with either a major injury (probably knee) or he is mentally ruined after the SX disaster. I would guess he is riding injured...
Covington is dealing with either a major injury (probably knee) or he is mentally ruined after the SX disaster.

I would guess he is riding injured. He is so much better than this.
I agree. At least top 10 material on a bad day.
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5/19/2019 9:17am Edited Date/Time 5/19/2019 9:19am
TeamGreen wrote:
Keep reading Bobby...there’s more about “Flops” & who’s fast & who’s not...

Grinning
I’ve never seen a more smug know it all than you. I don’t think people are bagging on Covington as much as they are taking a shot at the idea that the GP classes are so much deeper than the national series.
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5/19/2019 9:21am
NVA57 wrote:
... and won at the next round with a 23 second lead. Something is wrong with Covington and that has nothing to do with GPs vs...
... and won at the next round with a 23 second lead.

Something is wrong with Covington and that has nothing to do with GPs vs US.
This. Trying to make a general inference about GP vs US nationals based on Covington, when all anyone can do is speculate about what's up with him, is pure silliness.
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5/19/2019 9:27am
Wait some people actually think that Martin Castelo and Benjamin Nelko are actually better than Thomas Covington?
They surely could go to Europe and win GPs

I mean you have to use your brain sometimes at least...
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5/19/2019 9:31am
Maybe the real Tom is on vacation and has his twin brother riding currently? We'll see if he comes back and fights for podium positions
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drt410 wrote:
Is he the biggest flop in mx/sx history? So far Id say yes. Think about it, he is.
Your history must not go back very far.......

I can't believe that my joke about him not wanting to pimp Rockstar got down voted! Does his dad still work for Monster, and people just don't get the joke?

Obviously something is not right with Covington. Everyone knew that he really wouldn't set the world on fire in SX, but I think we all expected at least a bit better results based on the Euro guys who have come over and had at least decent early results. Seemed like growing up here he'd have had at least as much exposure to SX style obstacles as Roczen, Musquin, Ferrandis, etc. Qualifying in a regional series seems like it shouldn't have been difficult for such a good rider.

Outdoors, I think it's definitely too early to pass any judgements after only one race. A simple case of the flu-type thing, coupled with nerves and pressure could have been enough to ruin the weekend. Once we get to the halfway point I'd expect him to be comfortably in the top 10 each moto, and if not then he might be a huge bust or dealing with a serious physical problem.

Too early to call him the worst factory guy ever, though. That's just silly hyperbole.

And it's more than silly to use this to compare the AMA series to the FIM series.....
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5/19/2019 10:11am Edited Date/Time 5/19/2019 10:12am
Shows how little depth the mx2 class has in the GP’s
Here's what Mitchell Harrison said about MX2 today:

''These guys are fast, it's a deep field, not like America''.

Still, what does he know?
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5/19/2019 11:03am Edited Date/Time 5/19/2019 11:07am
Here's what Mitchell Harrison said about MX2 today:

''These guys are fast, it's a deep field, not like America''.

Still, what does he know?
Yes because they are slow in America. Good point, Mitchell. It’s was child’s play for him in America.
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5/19/2019 11:06am
I’ll be the first to admit I don’t watch the 250’s in MXGP as much as the 450’s, but did Covington every really light the world on fire over there?
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5/19/2019 11:12am
wm741 wrote:
I’ll be the first to admit I don’t watch the 250’s in MXGP as much as the 450’s, but did Covington every really light the world...
I’ll be the first to admit I don’t watch the 250’s in MXGP as much as the 450’s, but did Covington every really light the world on fire over there?
he did a lot better as Osborne and won a handfull GP's during the years he competed in MXGP series
he was a bit of a up and down rider to be honest , he could win argentina and next race at latvia barely make top 10
or win a moto and next moto be 12th ...

dont think anybody expected him to go AMA and win as that wouldnt be realistic at all , but top 10 outdoors would be decent and maybe a top 5 later in season

dude got a top 10 result in his very first SX race , got injured and after that he didnt even qualify and now this ?

something is wrong , but if so why does the team let him race ?? let him sit out and get fit and healthy , he got a 2 year contract
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5/19/2019 11:18am
wm741 wrote:
I’ll be the first to admit I don’t watch the 250’s in MXGP as much as the 450’s, but did Covington every really light the world...
I’ll be the first to admit I don’t watch the 250’s in MXGP as much as the 450’s, but did Covington every really light the world on fire over there?
he did a lot better as Osborne and won a handfull GP's during the years he competed in MXGP series he was a bit of a...
he did a lot better as Osborne and won a handfull GP's during the years he competed in MXGP series
he was a bit of a up and down rider to be honest , he could win argentina and next race at latvia barely make top 10
or win a moto and next moto be 12th ...

dont think anybody expected him to go AMA and win as that wouldnt be realistic at all , but top 10 outdoors would be decent and maybe a top 5 later in season

dude got a top 10 result in his very first SX race , got injured and after that he didnt even qualify and now this ?

something is wrong , but if so why does the team let him race ?? let him sit out and get fit and healthy , he got a 2 year contract
Agreed. There were times he was very fast . These results are not an indication of what he is capable of.
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5/19/2019 11:22am
Shows how little depth the mx2 class has in the GP’s
Here's what Mitchell Harrison said about MX2 today:

''These guys are fast, it's a deep field, not like America''.

Still, what does he know?
He actually said ' its really tight, not big gaps like in the US, guys are all over each other' .

It equates to the same thing , but i think that he sees that with a start he can run with these guys, but you are a good start away from a top 10 and a bad one away from no points.

Covington is obviously struggling with something , he was good enough to be an MXoN pick in 2017.
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5/19/2019 2:08pm
TeamGreen wrote:
Keep reading Bobby...there’s more about “Flops” & who’s fast & who’s not...

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I’ve never seen a more smug know it all than you. I don’t think people are bagging on Covington as much as they are taking a...
I’ve never seen a more smug know it all than you. I don’t think people are bagging on Covington as much as they are taking a shot at the idea that the GP classes are so much deeper than the national series.
I think that the humor may have been lost in translation?

It was a joke based on people making simplistic analogies of the situation(s).

Oh, and...Smug?
Coming from someone in the British Isles?
Priceless.
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5/19/2019 2:54pm
It was one race and a mud race at that. Give the guy some time to adjust.
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5/19/2019 3:08pm
Any one maybe think the nerves just got the better of him..?

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