Is the era of American superstar over?

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Edited Date/Time 7/22/2022 1:44am
McGrath
Carmichael
Villopoto
Stewart
Dungey

During the above era, the USA was so dominant in the MXoN. At roughly the same time that the US ceded the fastest superstar recognition (to Cairoli and Herlings), we began a strange losing streak in the Olympics of Motocross.

I don't see any superstars on the way up in American Motocross currently--like Carmichael, Stewart, Villopoto, Dungey, etc. Are there some on the horizon? What am I missing?
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UpTiTe 4/28/2019 9:08am
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There is 3 kids in the amateurs that will dominate mx for the next ten years when they move up, and two of them have the personalities to be superstars.
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cbuehler767 4/28/2019 9:08am
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Tough to say who's going to transition to the 450 really well. Dungey won titles but wasn't a straight up destroyer on 250's but transitioned amazingly to the 450. Maybe AC will fulfill his "prophecy" and be an all timer on a 450. That said Prado sure seems like he gonna dominate the scene for the foreseeable future. So my answer is no, its gonna be awhile before an American is the FMOTP again
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UpTiTe wrote:
There is 3 kids in the amateurs that will dominate mx for the next ten years when they move up, and two of them have the...
There is 3 kids in the amateurs that will dominate mx for the next ten years when they move up, and two of them have the personalities to be superstars.
Who are you referring to? I suppose Deegan is one of them
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Baton Rouge 4/28/2019 9:09am
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AC and Forkner could be good candidates ! Ton of talent/speed + media attractive

We will see in few years
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UpTiTe wrote:
There is 3 kids in the amateurs that will dominate mx for the next ten years when they move up, and two of them have the...
There is 3 kids in the amateurs that will dominate mx for the next ten years when they move up, and two of them have the personalities to be superstars.
FerCzD wrote:
Who are you referring to? I suppose Deegan is one of them
Hunter & Jett Lawrence Cool
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UpTiTe 4/28/2019 9:26am
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UpTiTe wrote:
There is 3 kids in the amateurs that will dominate mx for the next ten years when they move up, and two of them have the...
There is 3 kids in the amateurs that will dominate mx for the next ten years when they move up, and two of them have the personalities to be superstars.
FerCzD wrote:
Who are you referring to? I suppose Deegan is one of them
Styles Robertson, Jett Reynolds will move up in a year and then Max Vohland, all three have superstar speed and personality.

The next big RC type guy imo will be Ryder Defancesco.
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An era is over because Anderson got injured and didn't win consecutive titles?
Who is going to stop Webb from going on a run the next 3-4 years? He gets great starts, rarely makes mistakes, is mentally tough and fast as heck. He is your next superstar.
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UpTiTe 4/28/2019 9:28am
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UpTiTe wrote:
There is 3 kids in the amateurs that will dominate mx for the next ten years when they move up, and two of them have the...
There is 3 kids in the amateurs that will dominate mx for the next ten years when they move up, and two of them have the personalities to be superstars.
FerCzD wrote:
Who are you referring to? I suppose Deegan is one of them
mac3-d wrote:
Hunter & Jett Lawrence Cool
I’m not sure I’m sold on Hunter, he didn’t show to much speed last year in the GPs.
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UpTiTe 4/28/2019 9:29am
4/28/2019 9:29am
Sluggo77 wrote:
An era is over because Anderson got injured and didn't win consecutive titles? Who is going to stop Webb from going on a run the next...
An era is over because Anderson got injured and didn't win consecutive titles?
Who is going to stop Webb from going on a run the next 3-4 years? He gets great starts, rarely makes mistakes, is mentally tough and fast as heck. He is your next superstar.
Webb is too vanilla to be a true superstar.
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uneasy_rider 4/28/2019 9:35am
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UpTiTe wrote:
There is 3 kids in the amateurs that will dominate mx for the next ten years when they move up, and two of them have the...
There is 3 kids in the amateurs that will dominate mx for the next ten years when they move up, and two of them have the personalities to be superstars.
Same was said about Baby Jesus and Forkner......
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UpTiTe 4/28/2019 9:42am
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UpTiTe wrote:
There is 3 kids in the amateurs that will dominate mx for the next ten years when they move up, and two of them have the...
There is 3 kids in the amateurs that will dominate mx for the next ten years when they move up, and two of them have the personalities to be superstars.
uneasy_rider wrote:
Same was said about Baby Jesus and Forkner......
I don’t know who Baby Jesus is.

In reality, it’s hard to say who will have a successful transition. It is becoming easier to see because the teams don’t necessarily look for the fastest kid at that point anymore, they look for personality traits and work ethic too.
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UpTiTe wrote:
There is 3 kids in the amateurs that will dominate mx for the next ten years when they move up, and two of them have the...
There is 3 kids in the amateurs that will dominate mx for the next ten years when they move up, and two of them have the personalities to be superstars.
uneasy_rider wrote:
Same was said about Baby Jesus and Forkner......
UpTiTe wrote:
I don’t know who Baby Jesus is. In reality, it’s hard to say who will have a successful transition. It is becoming easier to see because...
I don’t know who Baby Jesus is.

In reality, it’s hard to say who will have a successful transition. It is becoming easier to see because the teams don’t necessarily look for the fastest kid at that point anymore, they look for personality traits and work ethic too.
Baby Jesus is Cianciarulo.
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UpTiTe 4/28/2019 9:47am
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uneasy_rider wrote:
Same was said about Baby Jesus and Forkner......
UpTiTe wrote:
I don’t know who Baby Jesus is. In reality, it’s hard to say who will have a successful transition. It is becoming easier to see because...
I don’t know who Baby Jesus is.

In reality, it’s hard to say who will have a successful transition. It is becoming easier to see because the teams don’t necessarily look for the fastest kid at that point anymore, they look for personality traits and work ethic too.
-MAVERICK- wrote:
Baby Jesus is Cianciarulo.
He is only 21, I wouldn’t dismiss him yet.
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UpTiTe wrote:
I don’t know who Baby Jesus is. In reality, it’s hard to say who will have a successful transition. It is becoming easier to see because...
I don’t know who Baby Jesus is.

In reality, it’s hard to say who will have a successful transition. It is becoming easier to see because the teams don’t necessarily look for the fastest kid at that point anymore, they look for personality traits and work ethic too.
-MAVERICK- wrote:
Baby Jesus is Cianciarulo.
UpTiTe wrote:
He is only 21, I wouldn’t dismiss him yet.
A lot of people thought he would come in the pro ranks and start racking up titles after titles after being very dominant as an amateur but that wasn't the case.

Glad he's finally putting things together as I'm an AC fan.
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Tarz483 4/28/2019 9:59am
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They are All putting in the work now , so there are multiple Super Stars
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Baton Rouge 4/28/2019 10:08am
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
Baby Jesus is Cianciarulo.
UpTiTe wrote:
He is only 21, I wouldn’t dismiss him yet.
-MAVERICK- wrote:
A lot of people thought he would come in the pro ranks and start racking up titles after titles after being very dominant as an amateur...
A lot of people thought he would come in the pro ranks and start racking up titles after titles after being very dominant as an amateur but that wasn't the case.

Glad he's finally putting things together as I'm an AC fan.
That was the case ! He was leading that 2014 250 Sx series before getting hurt ! He could have won that title easily but injuries killed his momentum. I believe he is in the right spot now, go for the MX title this summer, shine at the MXON and move up !

Also Forkner with more maturity will destroy everything next year in the 250 class.

Speaking of the amateurs, i don’t see Stylez Robertson as the next big thing. IMO i count four as of right now: Jett Reynolds / Max Vholand / Ryder Di francesco / Jett Lawrence
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UpTiTe wrote:
I don’t know who Baby Jesus is. In reality, it’s hard to say who will have a successful transition. It is becoming easier to see because...
I don’t know who Baby Jesus is.

In reality, it’s hard to say who will have a successful transition. It is becoming easier to see because the teams don’t necessarily look for the fastest kid at that point anymore, they look for personality traits and work ethic too.
-MAVERICK- wrote:
Baby Jesus is Cianciarulo.
UpTiTe wrote:
He is only 21, I wouldn’t dismiss him yet.
AC d.o.b 10/20/96 , will be 23 in October
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UpTiTe wrote:
There is 3 kids in the amateurs that will dominate mx for the next ten years when they move up, and two of them have the...
There is 3 kids in the amateurs that will dominate mx for the next ten years when they move up, and two of them have the personalities to be superstars.
FerCzD wrote:
Who are you referring to? I suppose Deegan is one of them
I think Deegan will dominate in SX, not sure about MX. The kid is really fast for sure, his SX skills are unbelievable.
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Cali 4/28/2019 12:34pm
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
Baby Jesus is Cianciarulo.
UpTiTe wrote:
He is only 21, I wouldn’t dismiss him yet.
-MAVERICK- wrote:
A lot of people thought he would come in the pro ranks and start racking up titles after titles after being very dominant as an amateur...
A lot of people thought he would come in the pro ranks and start racking up titles after titles after being very dominant as an amateur but that wasn't the case.

Glad he's finally putting things together as I'm an AC fan.
I think had it not. Even for so many injuries, he probably would have.
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UpTiTe wrote:
There is 3 kids in the amateurs that will dominate mx for the next ten years when they move up, and two of them have the...
There is 3 kids in the amateurs that will dominate mx for the next ten years when they move up, and two of them have the personalities to be superstars.
FerCzD wrote:
Who are you referring to? I suppose Deegan is one of them
UpTiTe wrote:
Styles Robertson, Jett Reynolds will move up in a year and then Max Vohland, all three have superstar speed and personality. The next big RC type...
Styles Robertson, Jett Reynolds will move up in a year and then Max Vohland, all three have superstar speed and personality.

The next big RC type guy imo will be Ryder Defancesco.
Don't forget "Seth who"
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UpTiTe wrote:
He is only 21, I wouldn’t dismiss him yet.
-MAVERICK- wrote:
A lot of people thought he would come in the pro ranks and start racking up titles after titles after being very dominant as an amateur...
A lot of people thought he would come in the pro ranks and start racking up titles after titles after being very dominant as an amateur but that wasn't the case.

Glad he's finally putting things together as I'm an AC fan.
Baton Rouge wrote:
That was the case ! He was leading that 2014 250 Sx series before getting hurt ! He could have won that title easily but injuries...
That was the case ! He was leading that 2014 250 Sx series before getting hurt ! He could have won that title easily but injuries killed his momentum. I believe he is in the right spot now, go for the MX title this summer, shine at the MXON and move up !

Also Forkner with more maturity will destroy everything next year in the 250 class.

Speaking of the amateurs, i don’t see Stylez Robertson as the next big thing. IMO i count four as of right now: Jett Reynolds / Max Vholand / Ryder Di francesco / Jett Lawrence
AC has been pro for quite a while now. He debuted in the 2013 nationals. This is the first year he has shown a bit of
maturity. Every time he would get passed or pressured, he would freak out and crash. He still had issues last year. Outdoors will be a big test for him. With Forkner out, he is my pick to kick everyone’s ass.
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Greatness often comes down to how many times these guys get hurt. AC could have been great already but the injuries have ruined that so far. RV2 won five 250 titles.

Forkner has been hurt a lot already too. Not good so far. Getting hurt sets them back so much and for a long time.

Look at Webb the last two years. Hurt both years and thus looked bad. This year, no injuries. If Cooper avoids the injuries he is the next superstar for sure.
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Richard Tease II 4/28/2019 1:59pm
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UpTiTe wrote:
There is 3 kids in the amateurs that will dominate mx for the next ten years when they move up, and two of them have the...
There is 3 kids in the amateurs that will dominate mx for the next ten years when they move up, and two of them have the personalities to be superstars.
FerCzD wrote:
Who are you referring to? I suppose Deegan is one of them
UpTiTe wrote:
Styles Robertson, Jett Reynolds will move up in a year and then Max Vohland, all three have superstar speed and personality. The next big RC type...
Styles Robertson, Jett Reynolds will move up in a year and then Max Vohland, all three have superstar speed and personality.

The next big RC type guy imo will be Ryder Defancesco.
Ryder D is good he comes across as a true kid. Reynolds is injured again? Styles is going to be the dark horse.
I've never seen any emotion out of Reynolds he comes across as very boring and bland but i've been told otherwise which is good.
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UpTiTe wrote:
There is 3 kids in the amateurs that will dominate mx for the next ten years when they move up, and two of them have the...
There is 3 kids in the amateurs that will dominate mx for the next ten years when they move up, and two of them have the personalities to be superstars.
FerCzD wrote:
Who are you referring to? I suppose Deegan is one of them
Cali wrote:
I think Deegan will dominate in SX, not sure about MX. The kid is really fast for sure, his SX skills are unbelievable.
Dominate? I actually watched his SX Futures video and he was a step behind the fastest kids in his class.
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Only had three heroes, Hannah, Bradshaw and JS7.

Twist and grip dudes....f’ing entertaining when they not hurt. Really need the “it” factor too.

Takes a lot elements to make a “hero”....looking for a new one. Nothing yet. Respect sure, hero is next level.
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put any 11-22nd place sx rider against your best local /state riders .these sx guys will give you a great perspective on the super star status the top 10 riders are.
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Sluggo77 wrote:
An era is over because Anderson got injured and didn't win consecutive titles? Who is going to stop Webb from going on a run the next...
An era is over because Anderson got injured and didn't win consecutive titles?
Who is going to stop Webb from going on a run the next 3-4 years? He gets great starts, rarely makes mistakes, is mentally tough and fast as heck. He is your next superstar.
UpTiTe wrote:
Webb is too vanilla to be a true superstar.
What flavor was Dungey then?

Not knocking him either, he is one of my all time favorites!
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Maybe hammaker.
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deanwhite51 4/28/2019 3:28pm
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there are so many international riders coming through are going to be a serious threats come future times;
- The Lawrence brothers
- Jo Shimoda
- Liam Everts
- Bailey Malkiewicz

The whole "American Superstars" status, i see coming through in time that have that edge to them would be Jalek Swoll and Ryder Defancesco. Two guys who carry them selves as likeable people as well as being marketable with their personality.



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akillerwombat 4/28/2019 3:32pm
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Dungey proved that you don't have to enter the pro's crushing everyone to be a "superstar" in this sport.
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