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4/3/2019 9:05am
All I can say is kudos to Matthes, you know you are absolutely killing it when the biggest complaint people have is that they had to listen to an hour of MTB talk. There's probably an average of 45 PulpMX Shows per year, at roughly 4 hours of non-commercial time. That is 180 hours of content. 1 hour of MTB talk is approaching 0.5% of the total content. And I'm only counting Pulp hours, not race reviews, privateer profiles, fantasy shows, Moto 60, or regular podcasts.

I will say I'm likely going to avoid the Pulp Show review show this week if that Skippy guy is on there. Clippy Clippy Skippy!
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4/3/2019 10:25am
ACBraap wrote:
Mountain biking hasn't, but ebiking seems to be doing well for him. The two are not the same.
I take it you're riding a fully rigid single speed bike? If not, its not real mountain biking bro.
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ACBraap wrote:
Mountain biking hasn't, but ebiking seems to be doing well for him. The two are not the same.
WarrenMX wrote:
I take it you're riding a fully rigid single speed bike? If not, its not real mountain biking bro.
Yeah, at times. SS, rigid MTB, and a SS CX bike. Neither are primary rides though.

There is a clear differentiating difference when going from solely human powered to an assist. We all know moto is workout. I'm sure ebiking is too. But it's a different sport than mountain biking. It is not a nonmotorized activity.
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4/3/2019 10:55am
ACBraap wrote:
Mountain biking hasn't, but ebiking seems to be doing well for him. The two are not the same.
WarrenMX wrote:
I take it you're riding a fully rigid single speed bike? If not, its not real mountain biking bro.
ACBraap wrote:
Yeah, at times. SS, rigid MTB, and a SS CX bike. Neither are primary rides though. There is a clear differentiating difference when going from solely...
Yeah, at times. SS, rigid MTB, and a SS CX bike. Neither are primary rides though.

There is a clear differentiating difference when going from solely human powered to an assist. We all know moto is workout. I'm sure ebiking is too. But it's a different sport than mountain biking. It is not a nonmotorized activity.
Big fucking deal dude. It's exercise for a guy that wasn't exercising before getting an ebike.
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4/3/2019 11:02am
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I enjoyed it! Jeff Steber is a legend and the moto cross over is relevant, plus it's not like Steve doesn't cover moto in the other...
I enjoyed it! Jeff Steber is a legend and the moto cross over is relevant, plus it's not like Steve doesn't cover moto in the other bajillion hours he produces every week.

After dark with the Chiz's was good also, I was laughing. Don't fart in bed people. It's bad.
haven't listen to after dark yet, wife wants to be around to here it, she loves that segmant
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4/3/2019 11:05am
ACBraap wrote:
Mountain biking hasn't, but ebiking seems to be doing well for him. The two are not the same.
WarrenMX wrote:
I take it you're riding a fully rigid single speed bike? If not, its not real mountain biking bro.
ACBraap wrote:
Yeah, at times. SS, rigid MTB, and a SS CX bike. Neither are primary rides though. There is a clear differentiating difference when going from solely...
Yeah, at times. SS, rigid MTB, and a SS CX bike. Neither are primary rides though.

There is a clear differentiating difference when going from solely human powered to an assist. We all know moto is workout. I'm sure ebiking is too. But it's a different sport than mountain biking. It is not a nonmotorized activity.
I hate this take on eBikes. You've never ridden one but have such a stern opinion on them. I mountain bike religiously, I had a chance to ride one a couple months back and loved it. I think its specialized slogan "its you, only faster" and its true. It feels the same but lets say you normally only get to cover 20 miles of your trail system in an hour and 45 minutes now you can get in 35 miles in that same time frame. And they get guys like Steve back out there having fun.
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4/3/2019 11:07am
WarrenMX wrote:
I take it you're riding a fully rigid single speed bike? If not, its not real mountain biking bro.
ACBraap wrote:
Yeah, at times. SS, rigid MTB, and a SS CX bike. Neither are primary rides though. There is a clear differentiating difference when going from solely...
Yeah, at times. SS, rigid MTB, and a SS CX bike. Neither are primary rides though.

There is a clear differentiating difference when going from solely human powered to an assist. We all know moto is workout. I'm sure ebiking is too. But it's a different sport than mountain biking. It is not a nonmotorized activity.
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Big fucking deal dude. It's exercise for a guy that wasn't exercising before getting an ebike.
It's like people who say "why are you so tired from motocross, the motor does all the work."
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WarrenMX wrote:
I take it you're riding a fully rigid single speed bike? If not, its not real mountain biking bro.
ACBraap wrote:
Yeah, at times. SS, rigid MTB, and a SS CX bike. Neither are primary rides though. There is a clear differentiating difference when going from solely...
Yeah, at times. SS, rigid MTB, and a SS CX bike. Neither are primary rides though.

There is a clear differentiating difference when going from solely human powered to an assist. We all know moto is workout. I'm sure ebiking is too. But it's a different sport than mountain biking. It is not a nonmotorized activity.
I hate this take on eBikes. You've never ridden one but have such a stern opinion on them. I mountain bike religiously, I had a chance...
I hate this take on eBikes. You've never ridden one but have such a stern opinion on them. I mountain bike religiously, I had a chance to ride one a couple months back and loved it. I think its specialized slogan "its you, only faster" and its true. It feels the same but lets say you normally only get to cover 20 miles of your trail system in an hour and 45 minutes now you can get in 35 miles in that same time frame. And they get guys like Steve back out there having fun.
I'm sorry that you hate facts. It's not opinion to recognize that electric power is not a nonmotorized vehicle. It's pretty relevant when a sport shares trails with groups like hikers, who already hate MTB and think anything with wheels is a motorcycle. I have in no way said there's anything wrong with ebiking, merely that it is not the same as MTB.
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MTB rocks and has a very strong relationship with MX.



If you aint into it just don't listen, go grab a beer and come back, or start your own podcast, but don't impede on freedom of speech Bro. Freedom of opinion.

MTB is elfin' cool!
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4/3/2019 12:42pm
I love it when guys call it 'cheating', as they sit there, clipped in on their 170mm fully suspended, 12 geared, dropper post, 29er.

Every evolution of the bike could be seen as cheating in some way. I had to learn how to jump on my 20 inch BMX, and I had to pedal the damn thing back up the hill standing up the whole way. Now Jerry get's to goon it down the hill, casing every jump with his ugly, clipped in, bow legged jumping style, and then pops up his dropper seat post, sticks it in a low gear and spins his way back to the top.

I don't mountain bike to exercise, I do it 'cos its fun as hell, I just so happen to get a workout while I'm doing it. Same goes for moto. An ebike allows me to do more of the fun stuff.
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4/3/2019 12:50pm
Can someone please explain. with a rational reason, why ebikes are so hated in the MTB community? It's not like you twist a throttle and the thing goes. Isn't it basically just a pedal assist that allows you to go longer? Why the hell is that so frowned upon? Why are they not allowed on trails? They do zero extra damage compared to a regular MTB, other than maybe going a little bit longer. It's not like the damn thing is digging trenches in the ground because the motor is so gnarly. It's nothing like a motorcycle...
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eBikes are cool and offer a lot for those who don't need to pedal a lot or don't find it fun to pedal, or can't pedal or just want a shredding 2-wheels tool. but it's not a MTB, not a bicycle anymore, it's a motorized-2 wheels. So as much as it looks more like a MTB than a moto, it's a still motorized.

It's normal that it's not looked upon in a positive way by some cyclists, especially by trail stewards and trail builders. I think it's a cool tool but understand if some will, in the long run, as technology allows for better, faster engines, shredding effect on trails, dirt, grass, erosion, will grow and specific trails will be needed.



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I think a fair amount is just bias and those that don't want change, same as those who don't like triple crowns. I personally don't want them because I live in Denver and trails are already very crowded during average hours. Ebikes would just increase use as those too lazy or out of shape no longer have that hurdle. Directional trails would help with this though but that is easier said than done.
Bikers are also frowned upon by hikers and horseback riders so again, increasing riders increase their frustrations leading to potentially shutting down trails to bikes all together.
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mattyhamz2 wrote:
Can someone please explain. with a rational reason, why ebikes are so hated in the MTB community? It's not like you twist a throttle and the...
Can someone please explain. with a rational reason, why ebikes are so hated in the MTB community? It's not like you twist a throttle and the thing goes. Isn't it basically just a pedal assist that allows you to go longer? Why the hell is that so frowned upon? Why are they not allowed on trails? They do zero extra damage compared to a regular MTB, other than maybe going a little bit longer. It's not like the damn thing is digging trenches in the ground because the motor is so gnarly. It's nothing like a motorcycle...
I have friends that absolutely despise those things. Personally, I don't really hate them that much in that sense that if others want to ride them... hey whatever floats their boat, it does not hurt me. I just kind of look at them like quads. If you like the easy way, have at it. There are a lot of other things we've invented that have made us lazy: drive through's, cell phones, amazon, etc. For me personally, it's not what riding bikes is about though, half the fun is climbing the mountain.
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4/3/2019 1:08pm
mattyhamz2 wrote:
Can someone please explain. with a rational reason, why ebikes are so hated in the MTB community? It's not like you twist a throttle and the...
Can someone please explain. with a rational reason, why ebikes are so hated in the MTB community? It's not like you twist a throttle and the thing goes. Isn't it basically just a pedal assist that allows you to go longer? Why the hell is that so frowned upon? Why are they not allowed on trails? They do zero extra damage compared to a regular MTB, other than maybe going a little bit longer. It's not like the damn thing is digging trenches in the ground because the motor is so gnarly. It's nothing like a motorcycle...
If you don't already know what it is, google Strava.
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4/3/2019 2:05pm
mattyhamz2 wrote:
Can someone please explain. with a rational reason, why ebikes are so hated in the MTB community? It's not like you twist a throttle and the...
Can someone please explain. with a rational reason, why ebikes are so hated in the MTB community? It's not like you twist a throttle and the thing goes. Isn't it basically just a pedal assist that allows you to go longer? Why the hell is that so frowned upon? Why are they not allowed on trails? They do zero extra damage compared to a regular MTB, other than maybe going a little bit longer. It's not like the damn thing is digging trenches in the ground because the motor is so gnarly. It's nothing like a motorcycle...
I think there are 2 camps. One of hardcore mtb riders that get pissed when they see someone get 'assist' to a area of trail or top of climb they would have never gotten to without it. Thats kind of the snob mentality but it's a massive amount of people that think that.
Other one, in my opinion, has some justification. These things currently put out X watts of assist and with better battery tech and motor tech, its going to exponentially get better. Trail users and areas are hesitant on opening the floodgates now of motorized bikes not knowing what these things are going to look like in 5yrs. Hikers in my area have the strongest voice, its the 'common user' and there are more of them. They already hate mtb riders with a passion. Adding motorized (aka faster) bikes into the equation is going to make it worse for us.
The other point is that they do more trail damage than a normal bike. Let a ebike go out on a sloppy trail with a 2.8 tire with pedal assist and see how bad they can F it up. Long story short its going to be hard for USFS to change rules from 'non motorized vehicle trails' to 'non motorized except for ebikes' trails.
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Listening to the show right now. I’ve never ridden a MTB really, and it doesn’t bother me. It’s somewhat interesting and although it’s not as interesting as moto I don’t mind it.
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4/3/2019 2:37pm Edited Date/Time 4/3/2019 2:39pm
7eleven wrote:
Mtbing is a challenge, it takes an investment in pain and suffering, but the final outcome can be a high level of fitness. Like anything else...
Mtbing is a challenge, it takes an investment in pain and suffering, but the final outcome can be a high level of fitness. Like anything else, you get back what you put in. Dirt sessions out in the local hills can be so fulfilling, it’s ridiculous. I even met my girl out on the trails a couple of years ago.




I've seen you in past US Cup races out here. And passed by you out on the trails from time to time in Aliso and Laguna Trails/El Moro. I ride and used to race xc, but am thinking of switching to a trail/enduro bike. I see you have done it and look to be really enjoying the move!
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mattyhamz2 wrote:
Can someone please explain. with a rational reason, why ebikes are so hated in the MTB community? It's not like you twist a throttle and the...
Can someone please explain. with a rational reason, why ebikes are so hated in the MTB community? It's not like you twist a throttle and the thing goes. Isn't it basically just a pedal assist that allows you to go longer? Why the hell is that so frowned upon? Why are they not allowed on trails? They do zero extra damage compared to a regular MTB, other than maybe going a little bit longer. It's not like the damn thing is digging trenches in the ground because the motor is so gnarly. It's nothing like a motorcycle...
I think there are 2 camps. One of hardcore mtb riders that get pissed when they see someone get 'assist' to a area of trail or...
I think there are 2 camps. One of hardcore mtb riders that get pissed when they see someone get 'assist' to a area of trail or top of climb they would have never gotten to without it. Thats kind of the snob mentality but it's a massive amount of people that think that.
Other one, in my opinion, has some justification. These things currently put out X watts of assist and with better battery tech and motor tech, its going to exponentially get better. Trail users and areas are hesitant on opening the floodgates now of motorized bikes not knowing what these things are going to look like in 5yrs. Hikers in my area have the strongest voice, its the 'common user' and there are more of them. They already hate mtb riders with a passion. Adding motorized (aka faster) bikes into the equation is going to make it worse for us.
The other point is that they do more trail damage than a normal bike. Let a ebike go out on a sloppy trail with a 2.8 tire with pedal assist and see how bad they can F it up. Long story short its going to be hard for USFS to change rules from 'non motorized vehicle trails' to 'non motorized except for ebikes' trails.
I used to live in Boulder up to 12 years ago. I rode mtb all over back there it was such a great time then. No hikers complaining about bikers then. But Denver/Boulder metro has boomed with population so I imagine everywhere is crowded now with more hikers/bikers to a point everybody is frustrated with one another. That sucks to hear! But yes Assist Ebikes can be so much faster on the trail that a regular mtn bike. I've encountered Ebike riders flying down the trail at a much faster pace than a mtn bike to where I've felt in danger trying to share the trail with them. So that's my concern. I don't hate ebikes, but there needs to be some trail etiquette created for ebike users.
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mattyhamz2 wrote:
Can someone please explain. with a rational reason, why ebikes are so hated in the MTB community? It's not like you twist a throttle and the...
Can someone please explain. with a rational reason, why ebikes are so hated in the MTB community? It's not like you twist a throttle and the thing goes. Isn't it basically just a pedal assist that allows you to go longer? Why the hell is that so frowned upon? Why are they not allowed on trails? They do zero extra damage compared to a regular MTB, other than maybe going a little bit longer. It's not like the damn thing is digging trenches in the ground because the motor is so gnarly. It's nothing like a motorcycle...
I think there are 2 camps. One of hardcore mtb riders that get pissed when they see someone get 'assist' to a area of trail or...
I think there are 2 camps. One of hardcore mtb riders that get pissed when they see someone get 'assist' to a area of trail or top of climb they would have never gotten to without it. Thats kind of the snob mentality but it's a massive amount of people that think that.
Other one, in my opinion, has some justification. These things currently put out X watts of assist and with better battery tech and motor tech, its going to exponentially get better. Trail users and areas are hesitant on opening the floodgates now of motorized bikes not knowing what these things are going to look like in 5yrs. Hikers in my area have the strongest voice, its the 'common user' and there are more of them. They already hate mtb riders with a passion. Adding motorized (aka faster) bikes into the equation is going to make it worse for us.
The other point is that they do more trail damage than a normal bike. Let a ebike go out on a sloppy trail with a 2.8 tire with pedal assist and see how bad they can F it up. Long story short its going to be hard for USFS to change rules from 'non motorized vehicle trails' to 'non motorized except for ebikes' trails.
This summarizes it very well.

In a lot of areas, MTBers had to fight very hard for the access they have, and of course a lot of time and sweat in maintenance. It's been proven that general MTB use leads to only a minimal amount of degradation, erosion, etc.

E-bikes as they are likely don't pose a threat to that, but they are in their infancy and are only going to progress and become more powerful.

I love moto, and love MTB, so I am firmly in the target market for an e-bike. My gut reaction is that I don't want these things on our local trails.

At least for now, I think it's best to keep e-bikes to places where they are welcome, and not infringe upon what others worked hard to build. I feel the same way about quads and UTVs on the motocross track.
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Mountain biking is saving Steve’s life. Dude has lost a ton of weight and is healthier than he’s been in a long time. When you get...
Mountain biking is saving Steve’s life. Dude has lost a ton of weight and is healthier than he’s been in a long time. When you get infected by the MTB and good health bug, you want to share it with the world. I back him.
I saw a pic of him recently, didn't even look like the same guy. He's lost a ton of weight and that only going affect him positively. Heck yes Steve.
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I think there are 2 camps. One of hardcore mtb riders that get pissed when they see someone get 'assist' to a area of trail or...
I think there are 2 camps. One of hardcore mtb riders that get pissed when they see someone get 'assist' to a area of trail or top of climb they would have never gotten to without it. Thats kind of the snob mentality but it's a massive amount of people that think that.
Other one, in my opinion, has some justification. These things currently put out X watts of assist and with better battery tech and motor tech, its going to exponentially get better. Trail users and areas are hesitant on opening the floodgates now of motorized bikes not knowing what these things are going to look like in 5yrs. Hikers in my area have the strongest voice, its the 'common user' and there are more of them. They already hate mtb riders with a passion. Adding motorized (aka faster) bikes into the equation is going to make it worse for us.
The other point is that they do more trail damage than a normal bike. Let a ebike go out on a sloppy trail with a 2.8 tire with pedal assist and see how bad they can F it up. Long story short its going to be hard for USFS to change rules from 'non motorized vehicle trails' to 'non motorized except for ebikes' trails.
Great summary. Add to that the mediocre riders who can now fly down a trail at higher speeds than others, there's already been broken bones, there will be more as they share trails with slower bikes.

It's in its infancy so lets see how the trail share evolve but there will definitely be changes and separation in the near future, more trails specific to ebikes alike these specific to fat tires.
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4/3/2019 3:32pm
7eleven wrote:
Mtbing is a challenge, it takes an investment in pain and suffering, but the final outcome can be a high level of fitness. Like anything else...
Mtbing is a challenge, it takes an investment in pain and suffering, but the final outcome can be a high level of fitness. Like anything else, you get back what you put in. Dirt sessions out in the local hills can be so fulfilling, it’s ridiculous. I even met my girl out on the trails a couple of years ago.




twizzler wrote:
I've seen you in past US Cup races out here. And passed by you out on the trails from time to time in Aliso and Laguna...
I've seen you in past US Cup races out here. And passed by you out on the trails from time to time in Aliso and Laguna Trails/El Moro. I ride and used to race xc, but am thinking of switching to a trail/enduro bike. I see you have done it and look to be really enjoying the move!
Hey Bud, say hi next time we cross paths! Switching over to enduro has been so refreshing after 6 years of hardcore XC racing. My fun meter has hit new levels and enduro has opened me up to a whole new list of trails that I used to stay away from on an XC bike. Look into the Scott Genius 900 Tuned, that's my new whip! 150mm front and back. I wouldn't go much bigger than that if you still want to retain a little climbing speed.
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7eleven wrote:
Mtbing is a challenge, it takes an investment in pain and suffering, but the final outcome can be a high level of fitness. Like anything else...
Mtbing is a challenge, it takes an investment in pain and suffering, but the final outcome can be a high level of fitness. Like anything else, you get back what you put in. Dirt sessions out in the local hills can be so fulfilling, it’s ridiculous. I even met my girl out on the trails a couple of years ago.




twizzler wrote:
I've seen you in past US Cup races out here. And passed by you out on the trails from time to time in Aliso and Laguna...
I've seen you in past US Cup races out here. And passed by you out on the trails from time to time in Aliso and Laguna Trails/El Moro. I ride and used to race xc, but am thinking of switching to a trail/enduro bike. I see you have done it and look to be really enjoying the move!
7eleven wrote:
Hey Bud, say hi next time we cross paths! Switching over to enduro has been so refreshing after 6 years of hardcore XC racing. My fun...
Hey Bud, say hi next time we cross paths! Switching over to enduro has been so refreshing after 6 years of hardcore XC racing. My fun meter has hit new levels and enduro has opened me up to a whole new list of trails that I used to stay away from on an XC bike. Look into the Scott Genius 900 Tuned, that's my new whip! 150mm front and back. I wouldn't go much bigger than that if you still want to retain a little climbing speed.
If we cross paths I'll Say Hi if I recognize you. It usually happens so fast I'm like was that who I think it was LOL
Yeah man, I'm burnt out of riding the same old xc trails. So many more trails here that I avoid due to my xc bike. So I've been looking at 130mm-150mm trail bikes, I still like to climb. Need to demo a few models. I ride mx also, I think you still ride moto from time to time also. I wish I could meet a babe on the trails that bikes haha.
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4/4/2019 4:04am Edited Date/Time 4/4/2019 4:13am
love my ebike, easier to jump on and do a session than going to the track.
Instead of moto 1-2 times a week i get like 6-8 sessions on my bike and still a couple of rides on my local track a week.

Yeah, and Steve made me pull the trigger on the bike.. Thanks pulpMX

Amazing combo! Ebikes and MX goes hand in hand imo..

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I’m heading over to vitalMtb to talk moto!
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mattyhamz2 wrote:
Can someone please explain. with a rational reason, why ebikes are so hated in the MTB community? It's not like you twist a throttle and the...
Can someone please explain. with a rational reason, why ebikes are so hated in the MTB community? It's not like you twist a throttle and the thing goes. Isn't it basically just a pedal assist that allows you to go longer? Why the hell is that so frowned upon? Why are they not allowed on trails? They do zero extra damage compared to a regular MTB, other than maybe going a little bit longer. It's not like the damn thing is digging trenches in the ground because the motor is so gnarly. It's nothing like a motorcycle...
BikeGuy321 wrote:
If you don't already know what it is, google Strava.
This is the only point I agree with on the ebike hate. If you're setting KOM's on an eBike you're a douche.
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mattyhamz2 wrote:
Can someone please explain. with a rational reason, why ebikes are so hated in the MTB community? It's not like you twist a throttle and the...
Can someone please explain. with a rational reason, why ebikes are so hated in the MTB community? It's not like you twist a throttle and the thing goes. Isn't it basically just a pedal assist that allows you to go longer? Why the hell is that so frowned upon? Why are they not allowed on trails? They do zero extra damage compared to a regular MTB, other than maybe going a little bit longer. It's not like the damn thing is digging trenches in the ground because the motor is so gnarly. It's nothing like a motorcycle...
BikeGuy321 wrote:
If you don't already know what it is, google Strava.
This is the only point I agree with on the ebike hate. If you're setting KOM's on an eBike you're a douche.
E-bikes aren't bicycles, they're mopeds. No self-respecting mountain biker would be caught DEAD on one. They are the quads of the cycling world. Unless you suffer from a physical disability/or are morbidly obese, if you show up at one of our rides on a e-bike, you will be laughed out of the woods. Just imagine if you and all of your buddies showed up at the track on your dirt bikes, and one of your friends showed up on a quad. Yes, it's just like that.

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