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Wear one if you want but don't insult my intelligence with a bunch of made up and manipulated statistics.
Your second paragraph makes no sense because while they did present their raw numbers, their conclusions are not drawn from the total number of injuries, but from the rate of injury in the two different populations.
It is simply a guess. You can never definitively say an injury would have been better or worse in any given situation with or without said protective product.
In order for this to be legit they would have to create a consistent situation to test against. You know, the time honored double blind study where positive or negative outcomes are controlled for so you can actually believe the numbers.
Compiling a bunch of statistic that already float in confirmation bias is literally a joke.
Of course you don't.
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Some local high schoolers are still using them. I dont know about pro. I dont pay that close attention.
Hence why I wrote they use donuts or nothing.
Try again.
I don’t even get on my bike without a chest protector, and then watch the pro’s wearing just a jersey. Depends on your objective as well. If they bother you and you want to win, you are not wearing one.
Next generation will grow up using them, they will probably keep using them. Not based on anything but what you are used to.
The results are for X number of riders who crashed and had spinal injuries severe enough to be treated.
Some number of those riders (XsubA) were wearing a brace that failed to protect them.
Although a larger number of riders, who were not wearing a brace (Xsub
That is not true. Injuries do happen in minor crashes (though rare). And we have no way of comparing what the rate of injury in minor crashes is between neck brace and no neck brace. I am sure that some of the treated injuries were from minor crashes.
Starting with their first conclusion: "A critical cervical spine injury is 89% more likely without a neck brace."
They are calculating that based on the 265 critical cervical spine injuries they recorded. 26 had a neck brace and 239 did not. I think the math they used is: 239-26=213, then 213/239 = 89%. And that is just not the correct way to calculate the percentage increase of a likelihood.
Having said that, the data is strong enough for me that I am considering getting a neck brace. I am fairly confident that the data shows a positive correlation between protection and wearing a brace. But I am not confident that the magnitude of that correlation is as strong as they conclude.
KEEP IN MIND - I am not against wearing any neck device, I do not say they're bad and some protection is likely better than none.
That said, regarding this research, how many "crashers" who didn't get a ride to the big white clean place are in the study?
Seems to me, these studies are only looking at worst case scenarios, not the guys who walked away, every day.
If you pay attention to some of these claims, I should be dead or in a chair. These "saved my life" claims are unsubstantiated speculation, without evidence.
Not saying they're bad and no one should wear one, I just think too many put too much faith in them
IMO, if you sat at a track and documented EVERY crash, more walk away without than a study shows, because they're only showing the worst case medical service need crashes
What happens on hard packed dirt? The dirt is hard with very little give, but depending on the crash, you could slide quite a bit.
What happens in soft dirt? Sometimes it gives and you roll, other times in deep stuff you just stop because the dirt is so thick. To me, that makes a difference.
The softer dirt will soften the impact(not a ton, but a little) but the brace or helmet might get caught in the dirt while the rest of your body is still staying in motion. Same issue on hard packed... Your body will take more of the impact, but your helmet or neck brace is less likely to get stuck in a section of deep soft dirt...
Am I wrong with this thinking?
Because the study is only based on treated patients. We have no way of knowing two things:
1) Do neck braces change the rate of crashing (either positive or negative)?
2) Does wearing a neck brace change the rate of needing treatment (positive or negative)?
The study does not have those answers.
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The technology of neck braces has changed over the years, and different braces use different technologies. Are they all equal in terms of preventing injury? If not, am I risking more injury by picking the wrong one?
What type of brace was the rider wearing? Did it fit? Was it strapped down or floating? What type of helmet? Age of the rider? Body Type? Weight? Speed?
We will never gather enough details to accurately say "Neck Braces make you safer". We can generally assume they are. This is as real of a study as we have so far, but it does have its flaws.
I wear one because I believe they work to a certain extent. I trust the brace more than I trust Ryno's 'woke' opinions.
Sorry forgot to end my last post post with /sarcasm.
Rather than a long story, have your wife ask how Andy became my brother?
It's Wilhoite
I'm super proud of him
As for paragraph two, they are making bold statements off of those raw numbers not just rate of injury.
"A critical cervical spine injury is 89% more likely without a neck brace." They lead with this and it is complete nonsense.
I am not against neck braces. But I am against people selling stuff on the basis of questionable science.
That quote is not from the conclusion. See my first post.
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