Post-Race with Marvin

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731chopper 3/24/2019 9:09am
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He said Kenny never had the speed. I was pointing out how wrong that was.
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tlw109 3/24/2019 9:22am
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tlw109 wrote:
The rule was changed to this in 2017 and has been applied this way since then. Why would riders suddenly start exploiting it now?
731chopper wrote:
Yeah, that’s a great mentality to have.
So, what would you want the Officials to do? Make up a penalty that doesn’t exist and give it to Marvin or follow the one that’s been in the books for 3 seasons?
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bsharkey 3/24/2019 9:22am
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seth505 wrote:
People are so bitchy about it because it’s Marvin/on a ktm.
7 points is a big deal, he got a fair (big) penalty.
500guy wrote:
The only thing I think is wrong is the points awarded overall should be the same, not only should he lose the points the field should...
The only thing I think is wrong is the points awarded overall should be the same, not only should he lose the points the field should gain them,

Also if you break the rules and get penalized you did not win, that is just crazy.
Exactly. Personally I think the race could have been better. Roczen would have been closer to apply more pressure to marvin. We seen him unravel a few times when this happens.
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crowe176 3/24/2019 9:24am
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Everybody just mad cuz they got all dem teef and no toofbrush
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731chopper 3/24/2019 9:27am
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tlw109 wrote:
The rule was changed to this in 2017 and has been applied this way since then. Why would riders suddenly start exploiting it now?
731chopper wrote:
Yeah, that’s a great mentality to have.
tlw109 wrote:
So, what would you want the Officials to do? Make up a penalty that doesn’t exist and give it to Marvin or follow the one that’s...
So, what would you want the Officials to do? Make up a penalty that doesn’t exist and give it to Marvin or follow the one that’s been in the books for 3 seasons?
I’m fine with them following the rules if that’s the way it has been interpreted (points and purse but no loss of position) BUT the rule needs to be changed going forward.
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bsharkey 3/24/2019 9:27am
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731chopper wrote:
He said Kenny never had the speed. I was pointing out how wrong that was.

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seth505 3/24/2019 9:31am
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seth505 wrote:
People are so bitchy about it because it’s Marvin/on a ktm.
7 points is a big deal, he got a fair (big) penalty.
500guy wrote:
The only thing I think is wrong is the points awarded overall should be the same, not only should he lose the points the field should...
The only thing I think is wrong is the points awarded overall should be the same, not only should he lose the points the field should gain them,

Also if you break the rules and get penalized you did not win, that is just crazy.
That’s a fair assessment but this points loss hurts him more than a “you aren’t credited with the win”
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731chopper 3/24/2019 9:33am
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731chopper wrote:
He said Kenny never had the speed. I was pointing out how wrong that was.
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77Moto 3/24/2019 9:40am
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crowe176 wrote:
Everybody just mad cuz they got all dem teef and no toofbrush
LMFAO and not even sure why.
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uneasy_rider 3/24/2019 9:46am
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gnarwhip wrote:
What if a rider who doesn’t care about points and only rides for bonuses sees the Red Cross flag next weekend, and says “F it” and...
What if a rider who doesn’t care about points and only rides for bonuses sees the Red Cross flag next weekend, and says “F it” and makes a pass for the lead and goes “Yew I just won another $100k!” Rule needs to be changed to loss of position.
Pretty sure it says he got docked the purse for winning. Got 3rd place money.
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eGGz 3/24/2019 9:54am
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Jumping during a red cross flag condition places the injured rider, the track workers and the medical workers all at risk. IMO, The points only penalty is too soft considering what is at stake.
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lostboy819 3/24/2019 10:36am
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gnarwhip wrote:
What if a rider who doesn’t care about points and only rides for bonuses sees the Red Cross flag next weekend, and says “F it” and...
What if a rider who doesn’t care about points and only rides for bonuses sees the Red Cross flag next weekend, and says “F it” and makes a pass for the lead and goes “Yew I just won another $100k!” Rule needs to be changed to loss of position.
IF my Aunt had balls she would be my Uncle.
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akillerwombat 3/24/2019 10:40am
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This just works too well in these threads...

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aFACEdismembered 3/24/2019 10:45am
3/24/2019 10:45am
Why can't the rule be something simple like a 5 second penalty for every time a rider jumps in between the red cross flag and the downed rider? Give Marv a 10 second penalty for jumping twice and move on. The penalty is fair and simple to anyone who does it.
aFACEdismembered 3/24/2019 10:47am
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gnarwhip wrote:
What if a rider who doesn’t care about points and only rides for bonuses sees the Red Cross flag next weekend, and says “F it” and...
What if a rider who doesn’t care about points and only rides for bonuses sees the Red Cross flag next weekend, and says “F it” and makes a pass for the lead and goes “Yew I just won another $100k!” Rule needs to be changed to loss of position.
uneasy_rider wrote:
Pretty sure it says he got docked the purse for winning. Got 3rd place money.
Purse should be donated to the medic crew for endangering them and the downed rider.
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Texas Built 3/24/2019 10:58am
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gt80rider wrote:
After this ruling, where is the incentive to roll? Heck, riders may feel forced to jump on a red Cross flag now... I mean, K Roc...
After this ruling, where is the incentive to roll? Heck, riders may feel forced to jump on a red Cross flag now... I mean, K Roc lost the race last night because he chose to single a red Cross flag...

True racers want to win, not finish second, and if it takes jumping on a red flag, u know damn well there are a bunch of dudes out there that will do it.... now it looks like they have to if they want to keep up....

Ugly......
Roczen had 20 minutes to make a pass and he couldn't do it.
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Frog #1 3/24/2019 11:04am
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GuyB wrote:
Crickets?
People are angry because its a stupid rule and makes no sense! What ever points you receive is the position you should finish in! So a rule breaker goes down in history as a race winner!
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tlw109 3/24/2019 11:07am
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GuyB wrote:
Crickets?
Frog #1 wrote:
People are angry because its a stupid rule and makes no sense! What ever points you receive is the position you should finish in! So a...
People are angry because its a stupid rule and makes no sense! What ever points you receive is the position you should finish in! So a rule breaker goes down in history as a race winner!
Why weren’t people upset when the rule was written 3 years ago?
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freebroctickle 3/24/2019 11:10am
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GuyB wrote:
Which scenario would you rather see? A deal like Dungey's, where he loses the win, and we find out about it after the race? Or Marvin's...
Which scenario would you rather see? A deal like Dungey's, where he loses the win, and we find out about it after the race? Or Marvin's? Where he keeps the win, but loses points?

This also isn't the first time that rule has been applied. I don't remember people being so angry last time, which makes me wonder why.
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Obviously it depends on the rider here at VitalBlink Laughing
I feel like every Marvin Musquin thread needs to contain a trigger warning. So many pearls clutched and so much shit lost over that guy. Imagine if you applied that same outrage to every other guy out there who's done the same shit...y'all would be trembling in the corner of a padded room from SX PTSD.
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Leedle 3/24/2019 11:27am
3/24/2019 11:27am
Honestly. It is what it is. He got his penalty. You guys want him tied to the back of a bike and dragged out during opening ceremonies next week?

They did exactly what the rule said. He had a 6 second lead over Roczen anyway. Roczen even reeled him in a few times and wasn't able to make it happen.
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AceDudemeister 3/24/2019 11:30am
3/24/2019 11:30am
GuyB wrote:
During the press conference, we didn't know what (or if) the penalty would be for Marvin jumping on the red cross flag. But Marvin knew he...
During the press conference, we didn't know what (or if) the penalty would be for Marvin jumping on the red cross flag. But Marvin knew he did it, and like everyone else, was waiting to hear what the penalty would be. You can check out the video where he talks about it here.

https://www.vitalmx.com/videos/features/Marvin-Musquin-I-did-slow-down-…

Of course, we now know that he got penalized according to the 2019 Supercross rule book. You can get your own here. http://www.amasupercross.com/rules/pdf/2019/2019%20AMA%20Supercross%20R…



I'm not sure why people are so angry. This is consistent with the penalty that Jeremy Martin got last year. Yes, it's different than when Dungey got penalized for the same thing, but the rule was also changed after he lost the win in Detroit, to avoid this type of issue. RC can be angry about it. But he can also be wrong.

I think one of the reasons why it took a bit for a decision, was that there were multiple incidents to look over. Some of them (like Savatgy) were determined that he jumped after the incident.
So maybe I’ve got this wrong but...

You can pass and jump under yellow flags. MM did this but this doesn’t seem to be wrong.

You must not race, jump, accelerate in an unsafe manner from the Red Cross flag until clear of the incident. It’s been discussed That the face of the jump of the incident is okay to jump because it is clear of the incident. MM rolled safely passed the Red Cross flag, safely accelerated or maintained a safe speed past the flag and jumped past the incident once clear? MM did this so what’s the problem?

The officials should have put the Red Cross flag at the start of the series of obstacles but they did not. This is the problem and it’s the AMAs fault but, MM got penalized.
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Frog #1 3/24/2019 11:35am
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GuyB wrote:
Crickets?
Frog #1 wrote:
People are angry because its a stupid rule and makes no sense! What ever points you receive is the position you should finish in! So a...
People are angry because its a stupid rule and makes no sense! What ever points you receive is the position you should finish in! So a rule breaker goes down in history as a race winner!
tlw109 wrote:
Why weren’t people upset when the rule was written 3 years ago?
You think the average fan follows rule changes, come on. This is rule was done for TV, so they done have to change the winner and make like easier for them selves. This a corporate rule change deal all the way!
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Track and Trail 3/24/2019 11:35am
3/24/2019 11:35am
The rule isn’t strong. It needs to be scarey enough protect vulnerable riders, track crew, medics, etc.. 10 position penalty. Make them care and make them remember what will happen.

It isn’t about I only gained a few seconds so who cares. It is about you could kill me so who cares. I wouldn’t want to be the guy who will eventually be landed on.

No point in arguing the ruling itself under the current conditions. It’s done.

Good riding by Musquin. Also thought it was cool that GuyB asked the hard question after someone else threw a softball.
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AceDudemeister 3/24/2019 11:38am
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Purse should be donated to the medic crew for endangering them and the downed rider.
How were they endangered?
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toroP 3/24/2019 11:39am
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gnarwhip wrote:
What if a rider who doesn’t care about points and only rides for bonuses sees the Red Cross flag next weekend, and says “F it” and...
What if a rider who doesn’t care about points and only rides for bonuses sees the Red Cross flag next weekend, and says “F it” and makes a pass for the lead and goes “Yew I just won another $100k!” Rule needs to be changed to loss of position.
You’ll lose positions gained in the restricted area.
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mxb2 3/24/2019 11:41am
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Frog #1 wrote:
People are angry because its a stupid rule and makes no sense! What ever points you receive is the position you should finish in! So a...
People are angry because its a stupid rule and makes no sense! What ever points you receive is the position you should finish in! So a rule breaker goes down in history as a race winner!
tlw109 wrote:
Why weren’t people upset when the rule was written 3 years ago?
Frog #1 wrote:
You think the average fan follows rule changes, come on. This is rule was done for TV, so they done have to change the winner and...
You think the average fan follows rule changes, come on. This is rule was done for TV, so they done have to change the winner and make like easier for them selves. This a corporate rule change deal all the way!
The average fan shdnt complain then.
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slipdog 3/24/2019 11:45am
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crowe176 wrote:
Everybody just mad cuz they got all dem teef and no toofbrush
How is your beautiful momma anyway?
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slipdog 3/24/2019 11:50am
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crowe176 wrote:
Everybody just mad cuz they got all dem teef and no toofbrush
77Moto wrote:
LMFAO and not even sure why.
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Frog #1 3/24/2019 11:55am
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tlw109 wrote:
Why weren’t people upset when the rule was written 3 years ago?
Frog #1 wrote:
You think the average fan follows rule changes, come on. This is rule was done for TV, so they done have to change the winner and...
You think the average fan follows rule changes, come on. This is rule was done for TV, so they done have to change the winner and make like easier for them selves. This a corporate rule change deal all the way!
mxb2 wrote:
The average fan shdnt complain then.
I’m not your average fan and fans have nothing say about the rules changes anyway. How many points did MM get? That’s were he should have finished is all Im saying. It’s made for TV rule! Stamp it! ?
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ledger 3/24/2019 11:57am
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731chopper wrote:
The rule in the rulebook is the problem.
GuyB wrote:
Which scenario would you rather see? A deal like Dungey's, where he loses the win, and we find out about it after the race? Or Marvin's...
Which scenario would you rather see? A deal like Dungey's, where he loses the win, and we find out about it after the race? Or Marvin's? Where he keeps the win, but loses points?

This also isn't the first time that rule has been applied. I don't remember people being so angry last time, which makes me wonder why.
I think the reason why most are angry (myself included), is that Carmichael led us to believe that Roczen would get the victory.
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