Coopers jump onto Tough Block incident poll

smoothies862 3/17/2019 5:26pm
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dock him a spot. yeah I said itTongue
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drt410 3/17/2019 5:43pm
3/17/2019 5:43pm Edited Date/Time 3/17/2019 5:52pm
drt410 wrote:
If ur gonna show that show the part where eli goes back ahead of him at the apex of the corner then Webb passes him... If...
If ur gonna show that show the part where eli goes back ahead of him at the apex of the corner then Webb passes him...

If were talking “TECHNICALLY” here, he was in front of Eli, then Eli was back ahead, then he completed the pass... No penalty. U guys really are splitting hairs here anyways just to talk about something that doesnt matter at all and Eli doesnt even care.
akillerwombat wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/03/17/332561/s1200_webb_tomac_2.jpg[/img] Edited: He is technically a head of him at the apex as well, but this line was easier to make obvious.


Edited: He is technically a head of him at the apex as well, but this line was easier to make obvious.
Yea...your showing Eli is back ahead lol...

Fixed it for you:

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The line goes from the center to the corner to the front fender of the rider who is in front...which is Eli. He gets passed back by Eli this repasses him.
Black Diesel Bomber 3/17/2019 6:00pm
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drt410 wrote:
If ur gonna show that show the part where eli goes back ahead of him at the apex of the corner then Webb passes him... If...
If ur gonna show that show the part where eli goes back ahead of him at the apex of the corner then Webb passes him...

If were talking “TECHNICALLY” here, he was in front of Eli, then Eli was back ahead, then he completed the pass... No penalty. U guys really are splitting hairs here anyways just to talk about something that doesnt matter at all and Eli doesnt even care.
akillerwombat wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/03/17/332561/s1200_webb_tomac_2.jpg[/img] Edited: He is technically a head of him at the apex as well, but this line was easier to make obvious.


Edited: He is technically a head of him at the apex as well, but this line was easier to make obvious.
drt410 wrote:
Yea...your showing Eli is back ahead lol... Fixed it for you: [url=https://postimages.org/][img]https://i.postimg.cc/yN4ynPdk/Screen-Shot-2019-03-17-at-8-48-20-PM.png[/img][/url][url=https://banks-nearme.com/frost-bank-near-me][/url] The line goes from the center to the corner to the front fender of...
Yea...your showing Eli is back ahead lol...

Fixed it for you:

[url=https://banks-nearme.com/frost-bank-near-me][/url]

The line goes from the center to the corner to the front fender of the rider who is in front...which is Eli. He gets passed back by Eli this repasses him.
Go read the rules again. Or let me try to educate....in slide 1, Webb was over a bike length behind Tomac. In slide 2 when re-entering the track, Webb was ahead of Tomac (see slide 4 for a better view). Even if Tomac's front wheel got slightly in front of Webb's in the berm for a split second, Webb still gained the advantage of the whole bike length that he was behind when he went off track.

What do you not understand about "gained an advantage without gaining a position"? Cooper gained at least a bike length. If you cannot see this in the photos and acknowledge this, then okay, to each his own.

And to put it another way, where would Cooper be if there was a wall there to mark the boundaries of the track? He would have been on the ground and possibly injured. He got lucky here.
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logan_140 3/17/2019 6:02pm
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Brad460 wrote:
He should be given extra points for pulling that off!

Unbelievable skill and focus to make that pass..
KHI Guy wrote:
I don't know how he got it stopped and turned without going over the berm, let alone keeping it on the track and not wadding Eli...
I don't know how he got it stopped and turned without going over the berm, let alone keeping it on the track and not wadding Eli up. That was truly and amazing piece of riding by Webb, even thought I still don't like him. Woohoo
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drt410 3/17/2019 6:03pm
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7.Webb jumps on tough block. 6.Webb enters corner in front of Eli. 5.Webb is still in front of Eli. 4.Eli passes Webb back. 3.Eli is run high but still in front of Webb. 2.Webb passes Eli back 1.Webb is gone.
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drt410 3/17/2019 6:08pm
3/17/2019 6:08pm Edited Date/Time 3/17/2019 6:11pm
akillerwombat wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/03/17/332561/s1200_webb_tomac_2.jpg[/img] Edited: He is technically a head of him at the apex as well, but this line was easier to make obvious.


Edited: He is technically a head of him at the apex as well, but this line was easier to make obvious.
drt410 wrote:
Yea...your showing Eli is back ahead lol... Fixed it for you: [url=https://postimages.org/][img]https://i.postimg.cc/yN4ynPdk/Screen-Shot-2019-03-17-at-8-48-20-PM.png[/img][/url][url=https://banks-nearme.com/frost-bank-near-me][/url] The line goes from the center to the corner to the front fender of...
Yea...your showing Eli is back ahead lol...

Fixed it for you:

[url=https://banks-nearme.com/frost-bank-near-me][/url]

The line goes from the center to the corner to the front fender of the rider who is in front...which is Eli. He gets passed back by Eli this repasses him.
Black Diesel Bomber wrote:
Go read the rules again. Or let me try to educate....in slide 1, Webb was over a bike length behind Tomac. In slide 2 when re-entering...
Go read the rules again. Or let me try to educate....in slide 1, Webb was over a bike length behind Tomac. In slide 2 when re-entering the track, Webb was ahead of Tomac (see slide 4 for a better view). Even if Tomac's front wheel got slightly in front of Webb's in the berm for a split second, Webb still gained the advantage of the whole bike length that he was behind when he went off track.

What do you not understand about "gained an advantage without gaining a position"? Cooper gained at least a bike length. If you cannot see this in the photos and acknowledge this, then okay, to each his own.

And to put it another way, where would Cooper be if there was a wall there to mark the boundaries of the track? He would have been on the ground and possibly injured. He got lucky here.
He did gain a position tho, then lost it again. Everything is a case by case basis... He messed up, moved literally a couple feet to the left, "technically" passed Eli, got passed back, then repassed Eli. Clearly it was not egregious because Feld, Eli, Webb, Ricky, and Ralph all agree with me... Its the past, theres been a billion times worse before, people are making this way more than it should be, Feld agrees... Eli agrees... /thread.
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sbarrington314 3/17/2019 6:52pm
3/17/2019 6:52pm
Luckily Eli saw it coming and was able to pull up or that was going to be a Dungey/Stewart incident.
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just James 3/17/2019 7:26pm
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Anyone on here think that Webb would have been able to make that pass right then if Eli hadn't hit the brakes mid corner?
I don't.
I do think Webb would have passed him soon afterwards though.
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gabrielito 3/17/2019 7:35pm
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The obvious solution is to follow mainstream sports and install some sort of in race instant replay system. Maybe have the mechanics throw a red flag on to the track, review the incident, and the have them do a staggered start. Maybe allow a team like 3 per season.
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Johnny Lock 3/17/2019 8:28pm
3/17/2019 8:28pm
FuzzyLogic wrote:
This is spot on. Let Eli go, pass him 300 feet later, and remove all questions about there being a penalty.
Johnny Lock wrote:
Because that’s all going through your mind in a 450 Monster Energy Supercross race at race speed - I’m sure Coop was thinking - “well that...
Because that’s all going through your mind in a 450 Monster Energy Supercross race at race speed - I’m sure Coop was thinking - “well that wasn’t elegant but here I am ahead of Tomac (goes over triple later in the lap) - wait maybe I gained an advantage here lemme pull over and let the guy already a few seconds behind me by.”

No way for something as simple as almost wadding it on a tough block.

It’s in the heat of the battle, people here can armchair all they want - dock Webb a couple spots - for the principleof it of ‘course LOL - and watch that mofo (Webb for those not paying attention) STILL have enough points for the championship and watch Tomac do something EVEN dumber then Webb like slow up - at Vegas in a last ditch effort to screw up a riders season - all because he could not and did not get it done when he needed to.

yz133rider wrote:
Ive seen it countless times before where someone goes off track checks up concedes a spot or two and then turns it up again purely to...
Ive seen it countless times before where someone goes off track checks up concedes a spot or two and then turns it up again purely to avoid penalty its been obvious many times.
Yes absolutely - when they are completely off the track it’s very obvious to the riders as they’re not hitting obstacles - Coop landed on the next corner where he would have been anyway - this is not your typical off the track/cut the track excursion.
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CrGuy2T 3/17/2019 9:53pm
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Fuck that super clean. This is the kind of racing we need. He’s very determined to win this title. Pass needs to stick he’ was gonna pass anyways. #notonthewebbwagon
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Patrick461 3/17/2019 10:08pm
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That almost crash regain control not torpedo Chockemac and still make the pass shows brilliant riding spider man reflexes and championship riding He also got Roczen the same way. Very close scary close but not dirty. Completely opposite of “paper champ” Anderson style off passing
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Langhammx 3/17/2019 10:11pm
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Fuck that super clean. This is the kind of racing we need. He’s very determined to win this title. Pass needs to stick he’ was gonna...
Fuck that super clean. This is the kind of racing we need. He’s very determined to win this title. Pass needs to stick he’ was gonna pass anyways. #notonthewebbwagon
Agreed !!
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ktmdan 3/17/2019 10:12pm
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At my last XC race I passed into first in the scoring chutes on the third lap when the leader stalled his bike. You aren’t allowed to pass in the chutes or you get penalized. So the next lap I let the guy back into the lead right before the scoring chutes and made it clear to all the scoring officials that I was doing that.
I would rather get second than get docked a lap trying to get the win and lose a bunch of points. I ended up passing and winning.. also the scoring officials didn’t catch any of the shenanigans any way. This is a long story for me to say, Webb should have given back the position momentarily just to save his ass from potential penalty.
That said, I can’t honestly say what I think should or shouldn’t have been done about his pass...
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VRR7 3/17/2019 11:18pm
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If Webb is so good and was able to bring the bike under control to complete the pass , why was he not good enough to not bring the bike under control before he cut the track ?
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wfo4ever 3/18/2019 12:22am
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Webb should be penalized, he cut the track. Just watch the video. The AMA needs to pull their head out of their ass or just throw away the rule book since they never read it. Our sport is a joke and not enforcing the rules does not help our sport.
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PEPE001 3/18/2019 1:53am
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Cross rutted never!
This was intentional.
He over jumped the last jump by more than 10 feet.
This move was on purpose

If it was cross rutted you would go sideways but not sideways plus 10 yards.
Look at the video he turned to the left before the jump.
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CoccoBill 3/18/2019 6:22am
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PEPE001 wrote:
Cross rutted never! This was intentional. He over jumped the last jump by more than 10 feet. This move was on purpose If it was cross...
Cross rutted never!
This was intentional.
He over jumped the last jump by more than 10 feet.
This move was on purpose

If it was cross rutted you would go sideways but not sideways plus 10 yards.
Look at the video he turned to the left before the jump.
Finally someone said it.
Maybe my English is not good enough, but I always thought cross rutting was when you end up with one wheel in a rut and the other in another rut, and the bike goes sideways. Coop lands perfectly into the rut with both wheels, uses it as a berm, pushes against it and points straight to the inside of the corner. He just points too much to the inside...
No cross rutting there, in my opinion.
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BD233 3/18/2019 8:03am
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drt410 wrote:
[url=https://postimages.org/][img]https://i.postimg.cc/RZkBMNSj/Screen-Shot-2019-03-17-at-8-59-27-PM.png[/img][/url][url=https://gasstation-nearme.com/open-24-hours]gas station near me open all night[/url] 7.Webb jumps on tough block. 6.Webb enters corner in front of Eli. 5.Webb is still in front of Eli...
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7.Webb jumps on tough block. 6.Webb enters corner in front of Eli. 5.Webb is still in front of Eli. 4.Eli passes Webb back. 3.Eli is run high but still in front of Webb. 2.Webb passes Eli back 1.Webb is gone.
Say no more...he gained position, gave it up and THEN regained the position. That's EXACTLY what the rules state needs to be done. Fair and square...
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ktmdan wrote:
At my last XC race I passed into first in the scoring chutes on the third lap when the leader stalled his bike. You aren’t allowed...
At my last XC race I passed into first in the scoring chutes on the third lap when the leader stalled his bike. You aren’t allowed to pass in the chutes or you get penalized. So the next lap I let the guy back into the lead right before the scoring chutes and made it clear to all the scoring officials that I was doing that.
I would rather get second than get docked a lap trying to get the win and lose a bunch of points. I ended up passing and winning.. also the scoring officials didn’t catch any of the shenanigans any way. This is a long story for me to say, Webb should have given back the position momentarily just to save his ass from potential penalty.
That said, I can’t honestly say what I think should or shouldn’t have been done about his pass...
Well played, but you had a lap to consider how to handle it, and a place to allow the repass without others to follow through. Split second decision for Webb after almost crashing, tough call for sure.
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Squirrelings 3/18/2019 12:40pm
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bigk218 wrote:
Technically after that pass Tomas’s transponder was momentarily ahead of webs constituting not gaining a position. I guess
That’s impossible to know. The transponders don’t work off GPS and there was no Lit Pro in use since the stadium has a roof.
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peelout 3/18/2019 12:43pm
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yz133rider wrote:
He should have conceded the position and made a clean pass later on.
i'm with you, bro

he shouldn't be penalized, but he should have conceded the next straight
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TT Special 3/18/2019 12:46pm
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I can't believe RC or Ralph didn't mention it
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fullysicmate 3/18/2019 1:13pm
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He cut the track by half a meter and had to go over the top of a tough block to do so by accident......come on.
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ktmdan 3/18/2019 2:24pm
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drt410 wrote:
[url=https://postimages.org/][img]https://i.postimg.cc/RZkBMNSj/Screen-Shot-2019-03-17-at-8-59-27-PM.png[/img][/url][url=https://gasstation-nearme.com/open-24-hours]gas station near me open all night[/url] 7.Webb jumps on tough block. 6.Webb enters corner in front of Eli. 5.Webb is still in front of Eli...
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7.Webb jumps on tough block. 6.Webb enters corner in front of Eli. 5.Webb is still in front of Eli. 4.Eli passes Webb back. 3.Eli is run high but still in front of Webb. 2.Webb passes Eli back 1.Webb is gone.
BD233 wrote:
Say no more...he gained position, gave it up and THEN regained the position. That's EXACTLY what the rules state needs to be done. Fair and square...
Haha, damn. Touché.
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team_player 3/18/2019 2:36pm
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TT Special wrote:
I can't believe RC or Ralph didn't mention it
They did, they said it was a champions pass though.
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kage173 3/18/2019 2:40pm
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Pretty obvious that he gained from going off the track. But I wouldn't want to hear Tomac crying about technicalities. He jumped on a red cross earlier in the year and he got a pass.

Carry on.

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