Irony: Tomac and Marvin

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Edited Date/Time 3/12/2019 10:31pm
Anyone think it’s kinda funny how these two need each other in order for a shot at this title?

They both pretty much need to finish in front of Cooper (dropping him to 3rd) from here on out since I doubt either will win all the remaining rounds.

Once again... can’t wait for this Saturday night.
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mattyhamz2 3/11/2019 10:42am
3/11/2019 10:42am
Nope. Marv is getting paid to be a blocker now. He's getting paid to do the same thing he did for Dungey now that Coop is in the drivers seat. If KTM pulls that BS again this year, I hope Kawi and Honda do it with Savatgy and Seely.
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Boomslang 3/11/2019 10:45am
3/11/2019 10:45am
Well noted, they both know it and unlikely will mess with each other at this point.

I wonder if team orders (Ktm) will come into play further down the line?

Some good racing ahead and I expect a whole bunch of controversy.
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Squirrelings 3/11/2019 10:45am
3/11/2019 10:45am
It's getting to the point in the season where Marvin will be starting to help Webb win the championship.few more rounds. So funny how people are talking about winning this championship like it's a forgone conclusion. Wait and see what happens. It's far from over.
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ctbale 3/11/2019 10:51am
3/11/2019 10:51am
Between mechanicals and crashes, this thing is still wide open.
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Boomslang 3/11/2019 10:53am
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Squirrelings wrote:
It's getting to the point in the season where Marvin will be starting to help Webb win the championship.few more rounds. So funny how people are...
It's getting to the point in the season where Marvin will be starting to help Webb win the championship.few more rounds. So funny how people are talking about winning this championship like it's a forgone conclusion. Wait and see what happens. It's far from over.
As long as Marvin has a hole in his arse, he will not be helping Webb at this point. Once he is mathematically out of it yes.

Webb can very easily have a shit weekend...

As you say, it's far from over.
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mx 219 3/11/2019 10:56am
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I think at this point it would be dumb for team orders. Webb could break a bone tomorrow. Now if we are at rounds 15-17 that may be a different story (depending on how far back Marv is).
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wolf918 3/11/2019 10:56am
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I think everyone forgets just how strong Marvin and Tomac really are in the second half of the season.
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Boomslang 3/11/2019 11:09am
3/11/2019 11:09am
How much bonus $$$ do you guys think Marvin will get for a SX Championship??? Probably a Million....he will not be helping Webb out until it's impossible to catch him in points.

Webb has had a pretty good run thus far and we all know how cruel this sport can be. I don't want to be a dick but I'm expecting Webb's luck to run out.. as in a bad night. He dodged a bullet at Daytona when he almost got tossed over the bars.

This Championship is about to get crazy. Keep an eye on Joey, without doubt he will be riding shotgun for Tomac.
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DF313 3/11/2019 11:14am
3/11/2019 11:14am
Anything can happen, if Villopoto can have a 26 point lead and fail to make the main event (2011?) giving James, Chad, and Dungey an open door back into the fight, and then in that same race have James crash out and DNF with a back injury, then certainty cooper, or marv, or eli, or kenny can do the same. That's whats great about the sport.
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RichardLoots 3/11/2019 11:19am
3/11/2019 11:19am
its way too early for any kind of teamorders , and dont forget Bagget and Roczen are also podium contenders
its not a 2 way battle ..top 4 still racing and close in points , Bagget ,Wilson and Reed are there to podium and take points away when someone messes up in each of last 7 races ...

Webb has best position in this , without mistakes he is going to be hard to beat .. showed already he can take some pressure and be smart when he needs to be ...
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thehenk 3/11/2019 11:20am
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kenny is not out of it
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mx617 3/11/2019 11:28am
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There's an easy 6 or 7 podium guys. Coops been getting good starts, but if comes around the first turn in 10th I don't see him coming back to 2nd. Give him a fifth place finish once or twice and things start to tighten back up pretty quick.
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greenmx5 3/11/2019 11:32am
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Tomac and Marv are 19 points down with 7 rounds to go. Roczen is 21. All it is going to take is one DNF, mechanical, crash, etc, from Cooper. He'll be tested to see if he can handle the pressure for sure. It's far from over
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ATKpilot99 3/11/2019 11:49am
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thehenk wrote:
kenny is not out of it
True but he's off the pace of the top 3 at the moment.
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Moto man 3/11/2019 12:24pm
3/11/2019 12:24pm
mattyhamz2 wrote:
Nope. Marv is getting paid to be a blocker now. He's getting paid to do the same thing he did for Dungey now that Coop is...
Nope. Marv is getting paid to be a blocker now. He's getting paid to do the same thing he did for Dungey now that Coop is in the drivers seat. If KTM pulls that BS again this year, I hope Kawi and Honda do it with Savatgy and Seely.
Not even through Monday and we got a guy going for dipshit of the week. Lame post.
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IWreckALot 3/11/2019 12:30pm
3/11/2019 12:30pm
I thought the season started at Daytona.
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mattyhamz2 3/11/2019 12:50pm
3/11/2019 12:50pm
mattyhamz2 wrote:
Nope. Marv is getting paid to be a blocker now. He's getting paid to do the same thing he did for Dungey now that Coop is...
Nope. Marv is getting paid to be a blocker now. He's getting paid to do the same thing he did for Dungey now that Coop is in the drivers seat. If KTM pulls that BS again this year, I hope Kawi and Honda do it with Savatgy and Seely.
Moto man wrote:
Not even through Monday and we got a guy going for dipshit of the week. Lame post.
Marv and KTM have done it before. You trying to tell me they wouldn't do it again? Marv keeps losing points to Coop and you don't see that happening?
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Squid Williams 3/11/2019 12:56pm
3/11/2019 12:56pm
mattyhamz2 wrote:
Nope. Marv is getting paid to be a blocker now. He's getting paid to do the same thing he did for Dungey now that Coop is...
Nope. Marv is getting paid to be a blocker now. He's getting paid to do the same thing he did for Dungey now that Coop is in the drivers seat. If KTM pulls that BS again this year, I hope Kawi and Honda do it with Savatgy and Seely.
Moto man wrote:
Not even through Monday and we got a guy going for dipshit of the week. Lame post.
mattyhamz2 wrote:
Marv and KTM have done it before. You trying to tell me they wouldn't do it again? Marv keeps losing points to Coop and you don't...
Marv and KTM have done it before. You trying to tell me they wouldn't do it again? Marv keeps losing points to Coop and you don't see that happening?
I could see it happening if Marv is mathematically out of it with a few rounds to go. It is wayyyy to early to start talking team tactics. And I think it would be crazy to believe management is going up to Marv basically telling him his seasons over and time to let the Webb Wagon cross the Oregon Trail.
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mattyhamz2 3/11/2019 1:03pm
3/11/2019 1:03pm
Moto man wrote:
Not even through Monday and we got a guy going for dipshit of the week. Lame post.
mattyhamz2 wrote:
Marv and KTM have done it before. You trying to tell me they wouldn't do it again? Marv keeps losing points to Coop and you don't...
Marv and KTM have done it before. You trying to tell me they wouldn't do it again? Marv keeps losing points to Coop and you don't see that happening?
Squid Williams wrote:
I could see it happening if Marv is mathematically out of it with a few rounds to go. It is wayyyy to early to start talking...
I could see it happening if Marv is mathematically out of it with a few rounds to go. It is wayyyy to early to start talking team tactics. And I think it would be crazy to believe management is going up to Marv basically telling him his seasons over and time to let the Webb Wagon cross the Oregon Trail.
I jumped the gun a bit in my original post. With that said, Marv can still play blocker while keeping himself in the hunt. He just has to keep Tomac and Roczen from gaining points on himself and Webb. Baggett is there to help also. I wish all the mfgs could field as many bikes as KTM does. I can't blame KTM for having all those bikes out there and having 3 guys that can win or keep Tomac and Roczen from winning, I just wish the others could do it also. Seely and Savatgy aren't factors in the title chase at all, but Marv and Baggett are and will continue to be. Granted, Marv isn't out yet. The next few weeks will be huge for the top 4 guys.
Squid Williams 3/11/2019 1:24pm
3/11/2019 1:24pm
mattyhamz2 wrote:
Marv and KTM have done it before. You trying to tell me they wouldn't do it again? Marv keeps losing points to Coop and you don't...
Marv and KTM have done it before. You trying to tell me they wouldn't do it again? Marv keeps losing points to Coop and you don't see that happening?
Squid Williams wrote:
I could see it happening if Marv is mathematically out of it with a few rounds to go. It is wayyyy to early to start talking...
I could see it happening if Marv is mathematically out of it with a few rounds to go. It is wayyyy to early to start talking team tactics. And I think it would be crazy to believe management is going up to Marv basically telling him his seasons over and time to let the Webb Wagon cross the Oregon Trail.
mattyhamz2 wrote:
I jumped the gun a bit in my original post. With that said, Marv can still play blocker while keeping himself in the hunt. He just...
I jumped the gun a bit in my original post. With that said, Marv can still play blocker while keeping himself in the hunt. He just has to keep Tomac and Roczen from gaining points on himself and Webb. Baggett is there to help also. I wish all the mfgs could field as many bikes as KTM does. I can't blame KTM for having all those bikes out there and having 3 guys that can win or keep Tomac and Roczen from winning, I just wish the others could do it also. Seely and Savatgy aren't factors in the title chase at all, but Marv and Baggett are and will continue to be. Granted, Marv isn't out yet. The next few weeks will be huge for the top 4 guys.
Well Baggett is 61 points back or something like that so I wouldn't say he's a factor in the title chase.

As for Marv, saying he can still play blocker while keeping himself in the hunt is completely contradictory. How can you gain points on a guy if you're trying to keep people from passing him? Marvin needs just the opposite, he needs guys to pass Webb. He needs to be in front of Webb in order to stay in the hunt, and I don't think you can be a "blocker" while you're ahead of someone.

While I agree it's unfortunate that factory guys like Seely and Savatgy aren't title contenders, Seely is coming off a horrific injury and Savatgy is a rookie in the class.

And for what it's worth, there are 5 manufacturers represented in the top 7 in points. I'd say that's pretty diverse.
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seth505 3/11/2019 1:28pm
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Squirrelings wrote:
It's getting to the point in the season where Marvin will be starting to help Webb win the championship.few more rounds. So funny how people are...
It's getting to the point in the season where Marvin will be starting to help Webb win the championship.few more rounds. So funny how people are talking about winning this championship like it's a forgone conclusion. Wait and see what happens. It's far from over.
I liked this due to the fact it is far from over but I don't think Marvin ends up helping Webb (by design).
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Rab 3/11/2019 1:31pm
3/11/2019 1:31pm
ctbale wrote:
Between mechanicals and crashes, this thing is still wide open.
Yup with Eli and Marvin’s crashes Webb will be holding it wide open the rest of the season
mattyhamz2 3/11/2019 1:36pm
3/11/2019 1:36pm
Squid Williams wrote:
I could see it happening if Marv is mathematically out of it with a few rounds to go. It is wayyyy to early to start talking...
I could see it happening if Marv is mathematically out of it with a few rounds to go. It is wayyyy to early to start talking team tactics. And I think it would be crazy to believe management is going up to Marv basically telling him his seasons over and time to let the Webb Wagon cross the Oregon Trail.
mattyhamz2 wrote:
I jumped the gun a bit in my original post. With that said, Marv can still play blocker while keeping himself in the hunt. He just...
I jumped the gun a bit in my original post. With that said, Marv can still play blocker while keeping himself in the hunt. He just has to keep Tomac and Roczen from gaining points on himself and Webb. Baggett is there to help also. I wish all the mfgs could field as many bikes as KTM does. I can't blame KTM for having all those bikes out there and having 3 guys that can win or keep Tomac and Roczen from winning, I just wish the others could do it also. Seely and Savatgy aren't factors in the title chase at all, but Marv and Baggett are and will continue to be. Granted, Marv isn't out yet. The next few weeks will be huge for the top 4 guys.
Squid Williams wrote:
Well Baggett is 61 points back or something like that so I wouldn't say he's a factor in the title chase. As for Marv, saying he...
Well Baggett is 61 points back or something like that so I wouldn't say he's a factor in the title chase.

As for Marv, saying he can still play blocker while keeping himself in the hunt is completely contradictory. How can you gain points on a guy if you're trying to keep people from passing him? Marvin needs just the opposite, he needs guys to pass Webb. He needs to be in front of Webb in order to stay in the hunt, and I don't think you can be a "blocker" while you're ahead of someone.

While I agree it's unfortunate that factory guys like Seely and Savatgy aren't title contenders, Seely is coming off a horrific injury and Savatgy is a rookie in the class.

And for what it's worth, there are 5 manufacturers represented in the top 7 in points. I'd say that's pretty diverse.
It sounded better in my head when I was thinking it originally. It's been a long weekend/morning Laughing
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1down5up 3/11/2019 4:01pm
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HaHa,None of these riders that are in arms reach of championship points going to play team tactics.MM25 is in it to win it too.
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psg119 3/11/2019 4:26pm
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mattyhamz2 wrote:
Nope. Marv is getting paid to be a blocker now. He's getting paid to do the same thing he did for Dungey now that Coop is...
Nope. Marv is getting paid to be a blocker now. He's getting paid to do the same thing he did for Dungey now that Coop is in the drivers seat. If KTM pulls that BS again this year, I hope Kawi and Honda do it with Savatgy and Seely.
Moto man wrote:
Not even through Monday and we got a guy going for dipshit of the week. Lame post.
You win that title every week with all of your posts being lame.
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mattyhamz2 3/11/2019 4:28pm
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mattyhamz2 wrote:
Nope. Marv is getting paid to be a blocker now. He's getting paid to do the same thing he did for Dungey now that Coop is...
Nope. Marv is getting paid to be a blocker now. He's getting paid to do the same thing he did for Dungey now that Coop is in the drivers seat. If KTM pulls that BS again this year, I hope Kawi and Honda do it with Savatgy and Seely.
Moto man wrote:
Not even through Monday and we got a guy going for dipshit of the week. Lame post.
psg119 wrote:
You win that title every week with all of your posts being lame.
I almost said it, but decided to bite my tongue on that one Laughing

Thanks homie!
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psg119 3/11/2019 4:32pm
3/11/2019 4:32pm
Moto man wrote:
Not even through Monday and we got a guy going for dipshit of the week. Lame post.
psg119 wrote:
You win that title every week with all of your posts being lame.
mattyhamz2 wrote:
I almost said it, but decided to bite my tongue on that one Laughing

Thanks homie!
Haha no sweat! Someone's gotta say it haha. I know I'm not the only one tired of reading that guy's nonsense.
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mattyhamz2 3/11/2019 4:42pm
3/11/2019 4:42pm
psg119 wrote:
You win that title every week with all of your posts being lame.
mattyhamz2 wrote:
I almost said it, but decided to bite my tongue on that one Laughing

Thanks homie!
psg119 wrote:
Haha no sweat! Someone's gotta say it haha. I know I'm not the only one tired of reading that guy's nonsense.
It got old really quick lol!
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psg119 3/11/2019 4:48pm
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mattyhamz2 wrote:
I almost said it, but decided to bite my tongue on that one Laughing

Thanks homie!
psg119 wrote:
Haha no sweat! Someone's gotta say it haha. I know I'm not the only one tired of reading that guy's nonsense.
mattyhamz2 wrote:
It got old really quick lol!
Damn straight!
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freebroctickle 3/11/2019 6:36pm
3/11/2019 6:36pm
Let's not kid ourselves. Red Bull KTM is lucky enough to have not one, but TWO "number one" guys. Marv's tied with Tomac for second and still very much a championship contender. Webb might have a 19 pt. upper hand now, but a single bad race could put him in the hole. You'd better believe the team wants Musquin to have the best possible shot at the championship in case Webb gets injured or has a cool streak.

If Webb manages to gap Musquin in points to the extent that MM has no shot, sure, he will get "assistance." Marv knows who butters his bread. But if MM and CW remain close in points to the bitter end? Oh, the drama will be marvelous.
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