Back to the drawing board for Yamaha?

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GoonSquad250x wrote:
Any word on AP’s injuries yet? I haven’t seen anything.
datkin128 wrote:
Has to be a broken leg
gurt626 wrote:
I'm gonna go out on a (broken) limb here and say it was his foot or ankle. If you break a leg you arent going to...
I'm gonna go out on a (broken) limb here and say it was his foot or ankle. If you break a leg you arent going to hold it in the air.. not bagging your guess, just my opinion
I think that his taking the boot off is an indication of an ankle injury.
I have had it where I took my boot off before the ankle started swelling and getting more tender...making boot removal very difficult.
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When do they decide to go with a completely new design? The design seems to be working great for the 250 but no one seems to...
When do they decide to go with a completely new design? The design seems to be working great for the 250 but no one seems to be able to get comfortable on the 450. I’m not writing this because Apless just wadded either... I’m just saying it seems to be a issue every since they re-designed the bike.

They seem to be working good for the gp guys but in supercross they seem like the most temperamental bikes on the track by far. Barcia has a ton of hours on one and seemed to get it figured out better than anyone then he gets hurt. Apless is the only rider keeping them in the top ten and now he’s out it looks like. Is a new design coming?
barrs211 wrote:
You should ask Romain febvre what he thinks ?. He’s looked good on the yam for years now.
Yea I watched the race last weekend, he looked good on the works bike... on a motocross track.
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Pistonbroke 3/9/2019 8:43pm
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Dean Ferris , stand by your phone ....the outdoor nationals are coming your way ......
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FIREfish148 wrote:
When do they decide to go with a completely new design? The design seems to be working great for the 250 but no one seems to...
When do they decide to go with a completely new design? The design seems to be working great for the 250 but no one seems to be able to get comfortable on the 450. I’m not writing this because Apless just wadded either... I’m just saying it seems to be a issue every since they re-designed the bike.

They seem to be working good for the gp guys but in supercross they seem like the most temperamental bikes on the track by far. Barcia has a ton of hours on one and seemed to get it figured out better than anyone then he gets hurt. Apless is the only rider keeping them in the top ten and now he’s out it looks like. Is a new design coming?
barrs211 wrote:
You should ask Romain febvre what he thinks ?. He’s looked good on the yam for years now.
FIREfish148 wrote:
Yea I watched the race last weekend, he looked good on the works bike... on a motocross track.
How about for the average guy? Seems to me it won most shootouts (beating my Honda)
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Haven’t ridden the 450, probably a great bike for the average guy who can’t nearly rid it to its fullest, but for the best in the world all that bike seems to do is buck them off and cause injuries. Have to fight the bike as much as the track. No one has raced a full season on that bike.
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FIREfish148 3/9/2019 8:48pm
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
If you haven’t, then take a hike.
FIREfish148 wrote:
WTF difference does it make? I'm nowhere near these guys level. Thats like saying someone can't comment on ford's nascar because they haven't drove the latest...
WTF difference does it make? I'm nowhere near these guys level. Thats like saying someone can't comment on ford's nascar because they haven't drove the latest gen. mustang. I know enough to know that that bike has some funky handling characteristics. You own one, huh?
powertrip456 wrote:
You could flip that around the other way though and say it doesn’t matter that those guys didn’t like the Yamaha, since it’s so different from...
You could flip that around the other way though and say it doesn’t matter that those guys didn’t like the Yamaha, since it’s so different from the production one at that level...
I'm talking from a skills perspective. The bikes obviously can't deviate as much as a car from production to nascar. Especially on this side of the pond.
powertrip456 3/9/2019 8:54pm
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Personally, I think it’s more of a stigma and a crutch thing. But I’ve been wrong before.
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barrs211 wrote:
You should ask Romain febvre what he thinks ?. He’s looked good on the yam for years now.
FIREfish148 wrote:
Yea I watched the race last weekend, he looked good on the works bike... on a motocross track.
Johnny Ringo wrote:
How about for the average guy? Seems to me it won most shootouts (beating my Honda)
Man, you should go buy one then. You could be on the blu cru.
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FIREfish148 3/9/2019 9:07pm
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powertrip456 wrote:
Anderson got hurt this year too. The Husky? How about Peick and the Suzuki? What about Ken and his arms on the Honda? No, just the...
Anderson got hurt this year too. The Husky? How about Peick and the Suzuki? What about Ken and his arms on the Honda? No, just the Yamaha is the problem? Must be nice to have such a simplistic view of the world.
Your reading comprehension skills seem to be lacking a bit there, bud. If you read the OP, I said I'm not addressing this because AP crashed. I know it may seem suspect, especially in your delusional/narrow mind to see otherwise, but there is a history of people not gelling with the bike.
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brimx153 3/9/2019 9:20pm
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There top rider ,(barica) is someone who will never win a 450 championship imo . Also I dont think he has been any better on the factory team than jgr . It's just dungey and villo both retired, and his results looked better. We had the exact same bullshit thread about Suzuki last week. End of the day put villo on it in his prime its Yamaha would of won 4 straight. It's rarely the bikes fault at factory level, , bar a few times ie, 97 Honda, 09 Honda 11 -13 Yamaha , but good rider can win on bad bikes too ,ie dungey 12 ktm

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FIREfish148 3/9/2019 9:31pm
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brimx153 wrote:
There top rider ,(barica) is someone who will never win a 450 championship imo . Also I dont think he has been any better on the...
There top rider ,(barica) is someone who will never win a 450 championship imo . Also I dont think he has been any better on the factory team than jgr . It's just dungey and villo both retired, and his results looked better. We had the exact same bullshit thread about Suzuki last week. End of the day put villo on it in his prime its Yamaha would of won 4 straight. It's rarely the bikes fault at factory level, , bar a few times ie, 97 Honda, 09 Honda 11 -13 Yamaha , but good rider can win on bad bikes too ,ie dungey 12 ktm

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5% is the difference between 1st and 15th at that level, yea?
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mingham97 3/9/2019 9:53pm
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Threads like this remind me of why I stay off this website. Way too much stupidity
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Tenacious P 3/9/2019 9:56pm
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Dust601 wrote:
Man the way he was holding up his right leg/foot area did not look good at all, and watching the replay that was a brutal impact...
Man the way he was holding up his right leg/foot area did not look good at all, and watching the replay that was a brutal impact. I’m a fan, and hoping for the best though.
That was a Roczen style season-ending get off. Hope he can make it back for MX. I think we all love watching that guy.
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Tenacious P 3/9/2019 9:59pm
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BTW, remember the CR22 interviews when he says Yamaha doesn't let the riders do what needs to be done to the bike to make the riders comfy? He basically stated too many old school guys in management who know more than the riders...
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brimx153 3/9/2019 10:00pm
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brimx153 wrote:
There top rider ,(barica) is someone who will never win a 450 championship imo . Also I dont think he has been any better on the...
There top rider ,(barica) is someone who will never win a 450 championship imo . Also I dont think he has been any better on the factory team than jgr . It's just dungey and villo both retired, and his results looked better. We had the exact same bullshit thread about Suzuki last week. End of the day put villo on it in his prime its Yamaha would of won 4 straight. It's rarely the bikes fault at factory level, , bar a few times ie, 97 Honda, 09 Honda 11 -13 Yamaha , but good rider can win on bad bikes too ,ie dungey 12 ktm

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FIREfish148 wrote:
5% is the difference between 1st and 15th at that level, yea?
Do you think barica would do better on any other brand??? Cause he already hasn't on Honda and Suzuki. AP was just starting to do well . There is way too many things Webb changed to just say it's the bike . He looked great on one at the mxon . I think Yamaha s problem is the team. Not the bike .Reed said he had a terrible time getting them to change stuff.

And when jgr were the factory effort barica was expected to win championship s .imo he is just not good enough to win 450 championship s, so it was always going to look like a failure.
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Boomslang 3/9/2019 10:15pm
3/9/2019 10:15pm Edited Date/Time 3/9/2019 10:20pm
I've heard through someone who knows Webb personally that Webb could not get comfortable on the YZ, it is within that 5% (of bike) that makes the difference. Without doubt these bikes are all good for us average dudes but at their level, a small floor or when something don't feel right, it can mean the difference between trip to hospital or to your hotel room.

The JAPs need to start running some R&D on steel frames, if not then it's goodnight...the KTMs and and Husqys are a level up.


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rmoto003 3/9/2019 10:22pm
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idk yall, a bike that has a vastly different design than every other bike out there? Couldnt possibly be a problem.

I would have loved to sit in that meeting when they were proposing that design.

"We gonna turn the motor around! But, were gonna have to cut the seat in half, and wrap the exhaust around the cylinder head. Also, the gas tank will be under the seat."

"Guys, maybe we shouldnt take acid before designing a bike...."
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Tenacious P 3/9/2019 10:27pm
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I don't get why 2015 Barcia was pathetic on Blue but he went back and found the flow... I think the bike is fine it's all about the setup

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FIREfish148 3/9/2019 10:59pm
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brimx153 wrote:
There top rider ,(barica) is someone who will never win a 450 championship imo . Also I dont think he has been any better on the...
There top rider ,(barica) is someone who will never win a 450 championship imo . Also I dont think he has been any better on the factory team than jgr . It's just dungey and villo both retired, and his results looked better. We had the exact same bullshit thread about Suzuki last week. End of the day put villo on it in his prime its Yamaha would of won 4 straight. It's rarely the bikes fault at factory level, , bar a few times ie, 97 Honda, 09 Honda 11 -13 Yamaha , but good rider can win on bad bikes too ,ie dungey 12 ktm

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FIREfish148 wrote:
5% is the difference between 1st and 15th at that level, yea?
brimx153 wrote:
Do you think barica would do better on any other brand??? Cause he already hasn't on Honda and Suzuki. AP was just starting to do well...
Do you think barica would do better on any other brand??? Cause he already hasn't on Honda and Suzuki. AP was just starting to do well . There is way too many things Webb changed to just say it's the bike . He looked great on one at the mxon . I think Yamaha s problem is the team. Not the bike .Reed said he had a terrible time getting them to change stuff.

And when jgr were the factory effort barica was expected to win championship s .imo he is just not good enough to win 450 championship s, so it was always going to look like a failure.
I thought he looked his best when he was on his privateer honda before supercross a couple years back. You can argue for the yz450s sake all you want but like Rasheed Wallace used to say "The ball don't lie!"
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Heavyrider 3/9/2019 10:59pm
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Do you think it’s a coincidence that Yamaha race wins in 450 supercross are 9 years apart on this design?
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Tenacious P wrote:
I don't get why 2015 Barcia was pathetic on Blue but he went back and found the flow... I think the bike is fine it's all...
I don't get why 2015 Barcia was pathetic on Blue but he went back and found the flow... I think the bike is fine it's all about the setup
Because he had more time to figure it out.
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ledger 3/9/2019 11:03pm
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Tenacious P wrote:
BTW, remember the CR22 interviews when he says Yamaha doesn't let the riders do what needs to be done to the bike to make the riders...
BTW, remember the CR22 interviews when he says Yamaha doesn't let the riders do what needs to be done to the bike to make the riders comfy? He basically stated too many old school guys in management who know more than the riders...
Yep, Reed was genuinely interested in helping Yamaha, but the Big Dog's weren't willing to swallow their pride, they would probably tell DeCoster to move along as well.
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WheelieNelson 3/9/2019 11:05pm
3/9/2019 11:05pm Edited Date/Time 3/9/2019 11:06pm
I'm no supercross rider but it's honestly the best bike I've ever ridden. Just saying
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powertrip456 3/9/2019 11:39pm
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FIREfish148 wrote:
Your reading comprehension skills seem to be lacking a bit there, bud. If you read the OP, I said I'm not addressing this because AP crashed...
Your reading comprehension skills seem to be lacking a bit there, bud. If you read the OP, I said I'm not addressing this because AP crashed. I know it may seem suspect, especially in your delusional/narrow mind to see otherwise, but there is a history of people not gelling with the bike.
I’m the one with the delusional/narrow mind? I see.
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drt410 3/10/2019 12:44am
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FIREfish148 wrote:
When do they decide to go with a completely new design? The design seems to be working great for the 250 but no one seems to...
When do they decide to go with a completely new design? The design seems to be working great for the 250 but no one seems to be able to get comfortable on the 450. I’m not writing this because Apless just wadded either... I’m just saying it seems to be a issue every since they re-designed the bike.

They seem to be working good for the gp guys but in supercross they seem like the most temperamental bikes on the track by far. Barcia has a ton of hours on one and seemed to get it figured out better than anyone then he gets hurt. Apless is the only rider keeping them in the top ten and now he’s out it looks like. Is a new design coming?
No1? they won every shootout and literally everyone that buys/rides them says theyre incredible bikes...
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Goon126 3/10/2019 3:17am
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What percentage of Yamaha 450 bashing threads are from a KTM/Husky owner still pissed off that Yamaha won most of the shootouts?
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cody41 3/10/2019 4:38am
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Yamaha needs to turn the motor around, get rid of their ridiculous air box design, and make the bike slimmer and lighter. I’ve had 2 16 yz450s and currently ride a yz250. I can’t get myself to buy another yz450.
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downard254 3/10/2019 4:46am
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FIREfish148 wrote:
When do they decide to go with a completely new design? The design seems to be working great for the 250 but no one seems to...
When do they decide to go with a completely new design? The design seems to be working great for the 250 but no one seems to be able to get comfortable on the 450. I’m not writing this because Apless just wadded either... I’m just saying it seems to be a issue every since they re-designed the bike.

They seem to be working good for the gp guys but in supercross they seem like the most temperamental bikes on the track by far. Barcia has a ton of hours on one and seemed to get it figured out better than anyone then he gets hurt. Apless is the only rider keeping them in the top ten and now he’s out it looks like. Is a new design coming?
Did I miss somewhere were everyone is saying they can’t get comfortable on the bike. Which Yamaha riders are saying that. I know Reed commented on Team Yamaha not making the changes that he wanted to get the bike in his comfort zone, but I don’t think he said it couldn’t have gotten there. Just curious who all of these riders are.

Edit: Sorry ledger, just saw your post. Seems we are in agreement.
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nascarnate326 3/10/2019 4:49am
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I think the bike is fine but it would be helpful if they could take many body parts and shrink them 5%

Then take the same approach to weight. 3% off every part would make a big difference. I believe that's what KTM started doing in 2010 and now they have a 450 that nearly hits the minimum weight numbers.
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Asselstine 3/10/2019 4:58am
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cody41 wrote:
Yamaha needs to turn the motor around, get rid of their ridiculous air box design, and make the bike slimmer and lighter. I’ve had 2 16...
Yamaha needs to turn the motor around, get rid of their ridiculous air box design, and make the bike slimmer and lighter. I’ve had 2 16 yz450s and currently ride a yz250. I can’t get myself to buy another yz450.
Have you tried the 18-19? You'd have to pay me to ride the 16, thing handles like a shopping cart. The new one however is the best bike I've ever ridden. The difference is NIGHT and DAY
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