Skillington and Broc Tickle case!

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DC 2/22/2019 3:00pm
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VicDaMoan03 wrote:
Really nice of the AMA guys to finally go over and talk to the FIM regarding Brock. Geez Dry
DC wrote:
They had been over before, but now there is a new FIM President and CEO, and the AMA's Dingman has moved up as well. All were...
They had been over before, but now there is a new FIM President and CEO, and the AMA's Dingman has moved up as well. All were frustrated by the lack of answers from the previous administration, and all seem motivated to sort this out, not only for Tickle but for others moving forward. This topic has been broken from the start, but now I believe positive and common-sensical changes can be made.

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CozMan wrote:
not even going to read all the pages of this thing, but Davey, the response from the AMA SHOULD be: "Quit dicking w/ our riders and...
not even going to read all the pages of this thing, but Davey, the response from the AMA SHOULD be: "Quit dicking w/ our riders and figure this out pronto!!" instead of sitting around for a year or more before somebody took a first class plane to go over and "discuss matters" over a cocktail. Your'e not going to get a lot of traction with "Don't worry, fellas. They're really pissed now and are going to go chit-chat about things now!"

This is pathetic management and should be called as such.
The problem was not the AMA but rather the old hierarchy at the FIM that did not understand the urgency of these matters, or seem to have any care for the affected athletes or their teams. The AMA has gone over and argued this case, but until there was turnover across the board -- and the new President Viegas has done just that -- there was an obvious lack of effort in these matters.

And no one is saying to wipe the slate clean or get rid of anti-doping testing, just to do it at a reasonable rate of efficiency.

One of the points I made recently with an official: In the time AFTER Broc Tickle was tested and told he failed, New England Patriots wide receiver Julian Edelman tested positive for a similar banned substance, appealed for his second sample, lost, was suspended for the first four games, lost millions of dollars in salary and book sales, rejoined the team for the fifth game and then helped win the team win the Super Bowl, was named MVP and went to Disney World and had a light-saber battle with Tom Brady... And Broc Tickle still hasn't even been told what his punishment is.

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CozMan 2/22/2019 3:08pm
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DC wrote:
The problem was not the AMA but rather the old hierarchy at the FIM that did not understand the urgency of these matters, or seem to...
The problem was not the AMA but rather the old hierarchy at the FIM that did not understand the urgency of these matters, or seem to have any care for the affected athletes or their teams. The AMA has gone over and argued this case, but until there was turnover across the board -- and the new President Viegas has done just that -- there was an obvious lack of effort in these matters.

And no one is saying to wipe the slate clean or get rid of anti-doping testing, just to do it at a reasonable rate of efficiency.

One of the points I made recently with an official: In the time AFTER Broc Tickle was tested and told he failed, New England Patriots wide receiver Julian Edelman tested positive for a similar banned substance, appealed for his second sample, lost, was suspended for the first four games, lost millions of dollars in salary and book sales, rejoined the team for the fifth game and then helped win the team win the Super Bowl, was named MVP and went to Disney World and had a light-saber battle with Tom Brady... And Broc Tickle still hasn't even been told what his punishment is.

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that flies the first time our riders run into this issue. Acting surprised that it has happened again and again won't. It's a known issue and the AMA has been asleep at the wheel, complicitly destroying people's careers. Blowing smoke about how NOW the AMA is gonna "just fix this right up" isn't going to get a lot of traction with the riders or the fans until we see something change beyond a cool press release telling us that they're going to work harder. And if there was obvious "foot-dragging" from the previous admin, why didn't the AMA release a statement calling them to the carpet for this behavior and making it clear to their millions of American customers that they were pissed off as well and trying to fix the issue.

I have no dog in this fight, and won't even argue whether riders should be punished or not, but the AMA has been watching this happen for years and years. Where have they been the entire time? Oh, there's new management at FIM? That's great, but why weren't they making a HUGE stink w/ the old admin, and why weren't they on the new admin's office couch on day 2?
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DC wrote:
They had been over before, but now there is a new FIM President and CEO, and the AMA's Dingman has moved up as well. All were...
They had been over before, but now there is a new FIM President and CEO, and the AMA's Dingman has moved up as well. All were frustrated by the lack of answers from the previous administration, and all seem motivated to sort this out, not only for Tickle but for others moving forward. This topic has been broken from the start, but now I believe positive and common-sensical changes can be made.

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harescrambled wrote:
Davey, how has Dingman moved up? Dude has been both president and CEO of the AMA since 2007. My opinion, as both an AMA member and...
Davey, how has Dingman moved up? Dude has been both president and CEO of the AMA since 2007.
My opinion, as both an AMA member and a racer is that we should ditch the FIM, so we can do away with their crappy process, and WADA. I know the AMA is signatory to WADA rules through their association with USADA, but at least if you get screwed by USADA you can sue them in an American courtroom instead of having to go halfway around the world.
He moved up within the FIM, now the Finance Chair. The AMA will not ditch the FIM, nor should they. They should instead help fix what's been wrong in the past. And I would agree that USADA would be better at administering the testing oversight and penalties, just as they are with outdoors, but Supercross has an FIM sanction which means they have to use WADA at this point, though WADA is not the one that's been dragging their feet here...

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DC 2/22/2019 3:13pm
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DC wrote:
The problem was not the AMA but rather the old hierarchy at the FIM that did not understand the urgency of these matters, or seem to...
The problem was not the AMA but rather the old hierarchy at the FIM that did not understand the urgency of these matters, or seem to have any care for the affected athletes or their teams. The AMA has gone over and argued this case, but until there was turnover across the board -- and the new President Viegas has done just that -- there was an obvious lack of effort in these matters.

And no one is saying to wipe the slate clean or get rid of anti-doping testing, just to do it at a reasonable rate of efficiency.

One of the points I made recently with an official: In the time AFTER Broc Tickle was tested and told he failed, New England Patriots wide receiver Julian Edelman tested positive for a similar banned substance, appealed for his second sample, lost, was suspended for the first four games, lost millions of dollars in salary and book sales, rejoined the team for the fifth game and then helped win the team win the Super Bowl, was named MVP and went to Disney World and had a light-saber battle with Tom Brady... And Broc Tickle still hasn't even been told what his punishment is.

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CozMan wrote:
that flies the first time our riders run into this issue. Acting surprised that it has happened again and again won't. It's a known issue and...
that flies the first time our riders run into this issue. Acting surprised that it has happened again and again won't. It's a known issue and the AMA has been asleep at the wheel, complicitly destroying people's careers. Blowing smoke about how NOW the AMA is gonna "just fix this right up" isn't going to get a lot of traction with the riders or the fans until we see something change beyond a cool press release telling us that they're going to work harder. And if there was obvious "foot-dragging" from the previous admin, why didn't the AMA release a statement calling them to the carpet for this behavior and making it clear to their millions of American customers that they were pissed off as well and trying to fix the issue.

I have no dog in this fight, and won't even argue whether riders should be punished or not, but the AMA has been watching this happen for years and years. Where have they been the entire time? Oh, there's new management at FIM? That's great, but why weren't they making a HUGE stink w/ the old admin, and why weren't they on the new admin's office couch on day 2?
There's not enough ink on the internet to explain how we got here... but I do know the AMA is trying, and now that the FIM is finally cleaning house I am optimistic that this will all be smoother in the near future. This is literally the first chance to convene with all of the members of the FIM and discuss real change since the election at the end of 2018.

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CozMan 2/22/2019 3:18pm
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DC wrote:
There's not enough ink on the internet to explain how we got here... but I do know the AMA is trying, and now that the FIM...
There's not enough ink on the internet to explain how we got here... but I do know the AMA is trying, and now that the FIM is finally cleaning house I am optimistic that this will all be smoother in the near future. This is literally the first chance to convene with all of the members of the FIM and discuss real change since the election at the end of 2018.

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I didn't ask how we got here, but rather, the exact opposite. you're a few degrees separated from Tickle's issue, but I bet that "this will all be smoother in the near future" won't exactly cut it with him. I can't blame him. Watching your career get pissed away while big-wigs say "We're working on it" for an endless period of time...and not to mention that they did this to one of the biggest names in our sport (Stewart)....jeez. Most fans (myself included) struggle on how it can take over a year to even have a hearing when the NFL can test you on a Sunday and have results on a Monday, a punishment on a Thursday, and away you go.

But ok - looking forward to the outdoors, amigo.
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DC wrote:
Tony is a really good guy and cares about all of the racers. Also, give some credit to the AMA's Rob Dingman and Kevin Crowther of...
Tony is a really good guy and cares about all of the racers. Also, give some credit to the AMA's Rob Dingman and Kevin Crowther of the AMA. They went over to the FIM last week and Broc's case was a priority. I have a feeling we may finally be hearing some news very soon.

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He may care, but the FIM and the AMA obviously don't give a damn about the riders! Talk is cheap.

There's no way in the world this should've taken this long. Same goes for when it happened to JS.
To leave a guy's career in limbo for so long is unacceptable. Especially in a sport where careers aren't very long, and the window for success closes quickly.


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DC wrote:
There's not enough ink on the internet to explain how we got here... but I do know the AMA is trying, and now that the FIM...
There's not enough ink on the internet to explain how we got here... but I do know the AMA is trying, and now that the FIM is finally cleaning house I am optimistic that this will all be smoother in the near future. This is literally the first chance to convene with all of the members of the FIM and discuss real change since the election at the end of 2018.

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CozMan wrote:
I didn't ask how we got here, but rather, the exact opposite. you're a few degrees separated from Tickle's issue, but I bet that "this will...
I didn't ask how we got here, but rather, the exact opposite. you're a few degrees separated from Tickle's issue, but I bet that "this will all be smoother in the near future" won't exactly cut it with him. I can't blame him. Watching your career get pissed away while big-wigs say "We're working on it" for an endless period of time...and not to mention that they did this to one of the biggest names in our sport (Stewart)....jeez. Most fans (myself included) struggle on how it can take over a year to even have a hearing when the NFL can test you on a Sunday and have results on a Monday, a punishment on a Thursday, and away you go.

But ok - looking forward to the outdoors, amigo.
Very well said. This is actually embarrassing for our sport.
How and why did the AMA cede so much authority to the FIM?

Hell, you can get a case thru the Supreme Court quicker than this.
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Boomslang 2/22/2019 5:11pm
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DC wrote:
Tony is a really good guy and cares about all of the racers. Also, give some credit to the AMA's Rob Dingman and Kevin Crowther of...
Tony is a really good guy and cares about all of the racers. Also, give some credit to the AMA's Rob Dingman and Kevin Crowther of the AMA. They went over to the FIM last week and Broc's case was a priority. I have a feeling we may finally be hearing some news very soon.

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I was told that Broc will be on the gate for the outdoors. My source is credible and I stand by that.

What gets under my skin is the "their" failure to deal with theses cases in a timely fashion.

Best wishes to Broc.
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dirtwalker 2/22/2019 5:15pm
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dirtwalker wrote:
The reason the rules are so brutal is because they need a huge deterrent.
ACBraap wrote:
Sure, in sports where the rider is the engine, like cycling, where EPO is like running your motorcycle on alcohol. They make no sense in SX...
Sure, in sports where the rider is the engine, like cycling, where EPO is like running your motorcycle on alcohol. They make no sense in SX, where running actual alcohol in your bike would cost you points for one event, while running EPO in your veins would cost you 4 years. And in reality, neither would move a 10th place ride up to 9th.

It's a strange world where Bowers take out of Barcia gets an immediate and unappealable penalty, yet Tickle spends months in limbo.

I think it's pretty clear that US MX/SX should have gotten 'an agency' to do drug testing, but stopped there, and done the penalty portion themselves.
Agree totally.
Just pointing out the background.
Its a one sized approach across a huge range of sports. Crazy. They still need a strong deterrent in all sports, but some tailoring is required surely. And when organisations (e.g. the FIM) opt in they need to think about this and negotiate what they need.

But surely anytime is also suitable to renegotiate.

I don’t know anyone who would say the sport is better for the James Stewart saga. And here we are again years later with nothing changed in terms of process....

At least DC thinks there might be a change with people. But will they change the framework??
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dickjackson170 2/22/2019 5:29pm
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DC wrote:
The problem was not the AMA but rather the old hierarchy at the FIM that did not understand the urgency of these matters, or seem to...
The problem was not the AMA but rather the old hierarchy at the FIM that did not understand the urgency of these matters, or seem to have any care for the affected athletes or their teams. The AMA has gone over and argued this case, but until there was turnover across the board -- and the new President Viegas has done just that -- there was an obvious lack of effort in these matters.

And no one is saying to wipe the slate clean or get rid of anti-doping testing, just to do it at a reasonable rate of efficiency.

One of the points I made recently with an official: In the time AFTER Broc Tickle was tested and told he failed, New England Patriots wide receiver Julian Edelman tested positive for a similar banned substance, appealed for his second sample, lost, was suspended for the first four games, lost millions of dollars in salary and book sales, rejoined the team for the fifth game and then helped win the team win the Super Bowl, was named MVP and went to Disney World and had a light-saber battle with Tom Brady... And Broc Tickle still hasn't even been told what his punishment is.

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CozMan wrote:
that flies the first time our riders run into this issue. Acting surprised that it has happened again and again won't. It's a known issue and...
that flies the first time our riders run into this issue. Acting surprised that it has happened again and again won't. It's a known issue and the AMA has been asleep at the wheel, complicitly destroying people's careers. Blowing smoke about how NOW the AMA is gonna "just fix this right up" isn't going to get a lot of traction with the riders or the fans until we see something change beyond a cool press release telling us that they're going to work harder. And if there was obvious "foot-dragging" from the previous admin, why didn't the AMA release a statement calling them to the carpet for this behavior and making it clear to their millions of American customers that they were pissed off as well and trying to fix the issue.

I have no dog in this fight, and won't even argue whether riders should be punished or not, but the AMA has been watching this happen for years and years. Where have they been the entire time? Oh, there's new management at FIM? That's great, but why weren't they making a HUGE stink w/ the old admin, and why weren't they on the new admin's office couch on day 2?
DC wrote:
There's not enough ink on the internet to explain how we got here... but I do know the AMA is trying, and now that the FIM...
There's not enough ink on the internet to explain how we got here... but I do know the AMA is trying, and now that the FIM is finally cleaning house I am optimistic that this will all be smoother in the near future. This is literally the first chance to convene with all of the members of the FIM and discuss real change since the election at the end of 2018.

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You've done enough for this sport DC! Don't subject yourself to the irrational ramblings encountered on this site!
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DC wrote:
Tony is a really good guy and cares about all of the racers. Also, give some credit to the AMA's Rob Dingman and Kevin Crowther of...
Tony is a really good guy and cares about all of the racers. Also, give some credit to the AMA's Rob Dingman and Kevin Crowther of the AMA. They went over to the FIM last week and Broc's case was a priority. I have a feeling we may finally be hearing some news very soon.

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They all might be great people but from the outside in it looks like a sport that chews up and spits out its own.

Pay them little, make them risk it all and when one of them (barely) breaks the rules, make them put their entire life on pause for some shitty form of justice to go through the motions. It's a pretty sad state of affairs from where I'm sitting. Why anyone would want to be a professional in this sport is beyond me but I thank them for doing it.
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GrapeApe 2/22/2019 5:47pm
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DC wrote:
Tony is a really good guy and cares about all of the racers. Also, give some credit to the AMA's Rob Dingman and Kevin Crowther of...
Tony is a really good guy and cares about all of the racers. Also, give some credit to the AMA's Rob Dingman and Kevin Crowther of the AMA. They went over to the FIM last week and Broc's case was a priority. I have a feeling we may finally be hearing some news very soon.

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Boomslang wrote:
I was told that Broc will be on the gate for the outdoors. My source is credible and I stand by that. What gets under my...
I was told that Broc will be on the gate for the outdoors. My source is credible and I stand by that.

What gets under my skin is the "their" failure to deal with theses cases in a timely fashion.

Best wishes to Broc.
US or Canada
GeorgiePorgie 2/22/2019 5:55pm
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GrapeApe wrote:
:pinch: I don't know why this issue is so hard for people to understand. Tickle's suspension would not be longer if he raced in Canada, it...
Pinch

I don't know why this issue is so hard for people to understand. Tickle's suspension would not be longer if he raced in Canada, it would just start at the date of his last "competition" instead of the date he was notified of his provisional suspension.
500guy wrote:
How can they consider a non FIM sanctioned race as if it was there own?
GrapeApe wrote:
It's in HERE, Chapter 10.
Holy shit no wonder there’s violations. Gotta have a law degree to discern all that bs. And this is in a sport where people abandon basic education at a young age for pro status.

That 250 privateer with an engineering degree is my new hero. Is it an engineeeing degree ? He’s got some degree and is damn competitive.
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GeorgiePorgie 2/22/2019 5:58pm
2/22/2019 5:58pm Edited Date/Time 2/22/2019 5:58pm
DC wrote:
Tony is a really good guy and cares about all of the racers. Also, give some credit to the AMA's Rob Dingman and Kevin Crowther of...
Tony is a really good guy and cares about all of the racers. Also, give some credit to the AMA's Rob Dingman and Kevin Crowther of the AMA. They went over to the FIM last week and Broc's case was a priority. I have a feeling we may finally be hearing some news very soon.

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Boomslang wrote:
I was told that Broc will be on the gate for the outdoors. My source is credible and I stand by that. What gets under my...
I was told that Broc will be on the gate for the outdoors. My source is credible and I stand by that.

What gets under my skin is the "their" failure to deal with theses cases in a timely fashion.

Best wishes to Broc.
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US or Canada
Wouldn’t matter. Tickle clearly read the rules and isn’t racing until he gets the go ahead. I’d imagine he won’t race in Canada, ever.
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Hey DC,

Has the AMA, Feld or MXSports done a cost feasibility review at any point to evaluate how much it would cost to run your own testing program? So you could control penalities etc?
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cr12500 wrote:
They all might be great people but from the outside in it looks like a sport that chews up and spits out its own. Pay them...
They all might be great people but from the outside in it looks like a sport that chews up and spits out its own.

Pay them little, make them risk it all and when one of them (barely) breaks the rules, make them put their entire life on pause for some shitty form of justice to go through the motions. It's a pretty sad state of affairs from where I'm sitting. Why anyone would want to be a professional in this sport is beyond me but I thank them for doing it.
Why do you think JS7 has given the whole industry a big FU?
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500guy wrote:
How can they consider a non FIM sanctioned race as if it was there own?
GrapeApe wrote:
It's in HERE, Chapter 10.
GeorgiePorgie wrote:
Holy shit no wonder there’s violations. Gotta have a law degree to discern all that bs. And this is in a sport where people abandon basic...
Holy shit no wonder there’s violations. Gotta have a law degree to discern all that bs. And this is in a sport where people abandon basic education at a young age for pro status.

That 250 privateer with an engineering degree is my new hero. Is it an engineeeing degree ? He’s got some degree and is damn competitive.
Skimming through the rules gave me the impression that the FIM used some other sport’s rules and just inserted the word “rider” in place of athlete or whatever to make it look good. Gabe me the impression that they were too damn lazy to draft their own rules. I thought it particularly funny when they used the example of the “rider” being ineligible to compete in other professional sporting organizations such as the NBA or the NHL, yet those athletes can violate their drug rules and be back in the game or on the ice in a matter of weeks. Makes our “sport” look like a joke.
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whateversclever69 2/22/2019 7:01pm
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DC wrote:
Tony is a really good guy and cares about all of the racers. Also, give some credit to the AMA's Rob Dingman and Kevin Crowther of...
Tony is a really good guy and cares about all of the racers. Also, give some credit to the AMA's Rob Dingman and Kevin Crowther of the AMA. They went over to the FIM last week and Broc's case was a priority. I have a feeling we may finally be hearing some news very soon.

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Ah, cool. Really stuck their necks out for him....almost a year later. Hah.
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Ah, cool. Really stuck their necks out for him....almost a year later. Hah.
Go read the link mxgpactiongroup already provided in this thread and you will find the reason things were bogged down.

Rampant corruption in the FIM, They are trying to correct but it isn't going to happen overnight.
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Pistonbroke 2/22/2019 8:15pm
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Everyone should read the info on that site ...it explains a lot of the background of FIM / Youthstream relationship...and with Youthstream sold Wolfgang Srb suddenly disappears ....
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brocster 2/22/2019 8:26pm
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I’ll never be at ease with them having control over where a guy makes his money outside of what they control. While they are working on things asap, add that to the list.
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Good news. givingafuckforbrock#
Underground 2/22/2019 8:44pm
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whateversclever69 wrote:
Ah, cool. Really stuck their necks out for him....almost a year later. Hah.
500guy wrote:
Go read the link mxgpactiongroup already provided in this thread and you will find the reason things were bogged down. Rampant corruption in the FIM, They...
Go read the link mxgpactiongroup already provided in this thread and you will find the reason things were bogged down.

Rampant corruption in the FIM, They are trying to correct but it isn't going to happen overnight.
Here's a bit more for you
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So the AMA that literally burns its riders with harsh body eating chemicals that is sponsored by harmful to your health energy drink company a drink that has literal caused many teenagers deaths is banning a rider for life for using a nasal spray. HAHAHAHAHA

String of human rights violations !
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500guy wrote:
How can they consider a non FIM sanctioned race as if it was there own?
GrapeApe wrote:
It's in HERE, Chapter 10.
GeorgiePorgie wrote:
Holy shit no wonder there’s violations. Gotta have a law degree to discern all that bs. And this is in a sport where people abandon basic...
Holy shit no wonder there’s violations. Gotta have a law degree to discern all that bs. And this is in a sport where people abandon basic education at a young age for pro status.

That 250 privateer with an engineering degree is my new hero. Is it an engineeeing degree ? He’s got some degree and is damn competitive.
No. Just some common sense is really all you need to figure it out.
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2/22/2019 9:18pm
VRR7 wrote:
So the AMA that literally burns its riders with harsh body eating chemicals that is sponsored by harmful to your health energy drink company a drink...
So the AMA that literally burns its riders with harsh body eating chemicals that is sponsored by harmful to your health energy drink company a drink that has literal caused many teenagers deaths is banning a rider for life for using a nasal spray. HAHAHAHAHA

String of human rights violations !
Can you explain what involvement the AMA had in that decision?
Can you explain how the AMA force feeds people to drink something?
When did the AMA force someone to use a nasal spray with a banned substance?

Just curious.

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Boomslang 2/22/2019 9:22pm
2/22/2019 9:22pm
DC wrote:
Tony is a really good guy and cares about all of the racers. Also, give some credit to the AMA's Rob Dingman and Kevin Crowther of...
Tony is a really good guy and cares about all of the racers. Also, give some credit to the AMA's Rob Dingman and Kevin Crowther of the AMA. They went over to the FIM last week and Broc's case was a priority. I have a feeling we may finally be hearing some news very soon.

DC
Racer X
Boomslang wrote:
I was told that Broc will be on the gate for the outdoors. My source is credible and I stand by that. What gets under my...
I was told that Broc will be on the gate for the outdoors. My source is credible and I stand by that.

What gets under my skin is the "their" failure to deal with theses cases in a timely fashion.

Best wishes to Broc.
GrapeApe wrote:
US or Canada
He is preparing for the US outdoors. I'm sure his matter will be wrapped up and put to bed by then.

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Helda 2/22/2019 10:40pm
2/22/2019 10:40pm
scott_nz wrote:
would Cade Clason's not be the top of the list? as hes been waiting a year longer than Tickle? and his case is even stranger has...
would Cade Clason's not be the top of the list? as hes been waiting a year longer than Tickle? and his case is even stranger has he had attempted to apply for a TUE but not received a decision from the FIM,

or because he was not a factory rider, does it mean less?
DC wrote:
It has nothing to do with being a factory rider, but I think there is another layer to Cade's case in that he continued to race...
It has nothing to do with being a factory rider, but I think there is another layer to Cade's case in that he continued to race in Canada. Regardless, I am sure both riders cases came up in conversations last week.

DC
Racer X
That is complete bullshit DC, Cade should be first cab off the rank him earning a living in Canada where the FIM have no jurisdiction should have no impact on doing there job where they do....if this is how the play it's another reason to get rid of them.
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