Bowers on last nights DQ

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Moto man 2/20/2019 9:44am
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7 pages regarding a guy that typically finishes 3 laps down? Who cares, let’s move on.
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motomike137 2/20/2019 9:50am
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DonM wrote:
Very simple way to fix the problem...take the power out of one idiots hands...create a competition committee that would consist of one former racer, one neutral...
Very simple way to fix the problem...take the power out of one idiots hands...create a competition committee that would consist of one former racer, one neutral party and one official all nominated and then voted on by the riders and team managers...decisions are made by majority...exit the idiot and enter fairness...
500guy wrote:
Maybe they should stop the race for 3 hours and let the fans vote ? A few things, There is more than one opinion involved when...
Maybe they should stop the race for 3 hours and let the fans vote ?

A few things, There is more than one opinion involved when a penalty comes out, There is just one head referee that takes the blame.

Bowers didn't even argue the call, He did it and got DQ'd

And the Reed black flag was well deserved in my mind it should have came with a 3 race suspension. but that's just Me
This is a tough subject for a sport that has always had a little hockey blood in it if you catch my drift. I agree there should be consistency and that begins with a rule that leaves little to interpretation. Creating and defining that rule will not be easy and most likely would be met with cries of pussification of the sport by some. The Allesi and Bowers incidents were blatantly obvious and should have been dealt with the same way. But how do you draw that line? We all seem to think what Zach did to Savatgy was a ok because it was for the win and the title but in reality if we are going to have consistency Zach shouldn't have been given the free pass. Someone mentioned a panel that reviews things soon after the event. I think that a panel combined with a well thought out rule is the best solution at this point.
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500guy 2/20/2019 10:01am
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motomike137 wrote:
This is a tough subject for a sport that has always had a little hockey blood in it if you catch my drift. I agree there...
This is a tough subject for a sport that has always had a little hockey blood in it if you catch my drift. I agree there should be consistency and that begins with a rule that leaves little to interpretation. Creating and defining that rule will not be easy and most likely would be met with cries of pussification of the sport by some. The Allesi and Bowers incidents were blatantly obvious and should have been dealt with the same way. But how do you draw that line? We all seem to think what Zach did to Savatgy was a ok because it was for the win and the title but in reality if we are going to have consistency Zach shouldn't have been given the free pass. Someone mentioned a panel that reviews things soon after the event. I think that a panel combined with a well thought out rule is the best solution at this point.
You can't wait for a ruling that long between a qualifier and an LCQ , I think that is why Bowers didn't get the DQ until he got down there for the LCQ.

Unlike popular opinion it possibly wasn't a knee jerk decision.
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agn5009 2/20/2019 10:17am
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Cortami79 wrote:
That's what Bowers means with consitency. That move from Alessi back then didnt give him a penalty if i remember correctly. I was surprised they didn't...
That's what Bowers means with consitency. That move from Alessi back then didnt give him a penalty if i remember correctly. I was surprised they didn't DQ him that night (or for even longer) because Tickle really was hurt from that one
EnvyMedia wrote:
He was fined $4000 and put on probation
BobKerr wrote:
The Bowers move and the Alessi move are very similar (I think Alessi's was worse), but the penalties were not. That is Bowers entire arguement. There...
The Bowers move and the Alessi move are very similar (I think Alessi's was worse), but the penalties were not. That is Bowers entire arguement. There is no consistency in penalties, hence the need for an independent multi person panel to review questionable actions on the track.
Which is worse? A $4000 fine and probation or DQ from a main? If Bowers hadn’t been disqualified and finished say 12th, how much money would he have earned? I’m going to assume not $4000+?

I’m all for a panel reviewing and voting on things like these. But your argument isn’t going to hold any water. I feel like of the two penalties, Alessi’s Was a little worse. i also feel like Alessi’s incident was a like worse than Bowers’ incident. Hence the little bit harsher of a penalty.

Tl;dr, you guys are arguing a similar incident with a similar penalty. Dumb.

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motomike137 2/20/2019 10:48am
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motomike137 wrote:
This is a tough subject for a sport that has always had a little hockey blood in it if you catch my drift. I agree there...
This is a tough subject for a sport that has always had a little hockey blood in it if you catch my drift. I agree there should be consistency and that begins with a rule that leaves little to interpretation. Creating and defining that rule will not be easy and most likely would be met with cries of pussification of the sport by some. The Allesi and Bowers incidents were blatantly obvious and should have been dealt with the same way. But how do you draw that line? We all seem to think what Zach did to Savatgy was a ok because it was for the win and the title but in reality if we are going to have consistency Zach shouldn't have been given the free pass. Someone mentioned a panel that reviews things soon after the event. I think that a panel combined with a well thought out rule is the best solution at this point.
500guy wrote:
You can't wait for a ruling that long between a qualifier and an LCQ , I think that is why Bowers didn't get the DQ until...
You can't wait for a ruling that long between a qualifier and an LCQ , I think that is why Bowers didn't get the DQ until he got down there for the LCQ.

Unlike popular opinion it possibly wasn't a knee jerk decision.
Actually I was talking after the event but that is obviously problematic.
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David934 2/21/2019 12:09am
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I think dirty racing must be fined or DQ. This is not war, people. I still cannot believe, that Osborne (vs Savatgy) was not DQ for dirty racing. Who cannot win cleanly, is not real champ in my eyes.
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Crush 2/22/2019 4:40am
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What did everyone think of Bower's Pulp interview?

Johhny G getting the arse out the room because he can't control himself.

Hilarious.
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yak651 2/22/2019 5:21am
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So any official statement from AMA/FIM for the DQ? Heck even the NFL somewhat takes accountability for the blown calls of their refs, the least they could do is explain why the DQ was given and if this is the new "norm" going forward.
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kalebutler 2/22/2019 9:25am
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yak651 wrote:
So any official statement from AMA/FIM for the DQ? Heck even the NFL somewhat takes accountability for the blown calls of their refs, the least they...
So any official statement from AMA/FIM for the DQ? Heck even the NFL somewhat takes accountability for the blown calls of their refs, the least they could do is explain why the DQ was given and if this is the new "norm" going forward.
How was it a blown call. He went into the corner with the only intention to take barcia out. Didn't try to make a pass
Compromised 2/22/2019 10:27am
2/22/2019 10:27am
Can't wait to see barcia hit back this weekend punishment free.

"That's why they call him bam bam!"
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aeffertz 2/22/2019 11:18am
2/22/2019 11:18am Edited Date/Time 2/22/2019 11:19am
Compromised wrote:
Can't wait to see barcia hit back this weekend punishment free.

"That's why they call him bam bam!"
He said he’s over it. He was pretty mature about the whole thing and way more level headed than a lot of the posters in this thread. “Bigger fish to fry.”

Cut to 10:40.

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kalebutler 2/22/2019 11:18am
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Compromised wrote:
Can't wait to see barcia hit back this weekend punishment free.

"That's why they call him bam bam!"
Too bad he actually makes passes tho. He doesn't get butt hurt and fly straight into someone
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Calihusky 2/22/2019 11:55am
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EnvyMedia wrote:
He was fined $4000 and put on probation
BobKerr wrote:
The Bowers move and the Alessi move are very similar (I think Alessi's was worse), but the penalties were not. That is Bowers entire arguement. There...
The Bowers move and the Alessi move are very similar (I think Alessi's was worse), but the penalties were not. That is Bowers entire arguement. There is no consistency in penalties, hence the need for an independent multi person panel to review questionable actions on the track.
agn5009 wrote:
Which is worse? A $4000 fine and probation or DQ from a main? If Bowers hadn’t been disqualified and finished say 12th, how much money would...
Which is worse? A $4000 fine and probation or DQ from a main? If Bowers hadn’t been disqualified and finished say 12th, how much money would he have earned? I’m going to assume not $4000+?

I’m all for a panel reviewing and voting on things like these. But your argument isn’t going to hold any water. I feel like of the two penalties, Alessi’s Was a little worse. i also feel like Alessi’s incident was a like worse than Bowers’ incident. Hence the little bit harsher of a penalty.

Tl;dr, you guys are arguing a similar incident with a similar penalty. Dumb.
I think purse would have been around $2400. Maybe give Bowers a choice of either DQ and lose $2400 purse or race and possibly get fined $4000 like Alessi.
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yak651 2/22/2019 1:28pm
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yak651 wrote:
So any official statement from AMA/FIM for the DQ? Heck even the NFL somewhat takes accountability for the blown calls of their refs, the least they...
So any official statement from AMA/FIM for the DQ? Heck even the NFL somewhat takes accountability for the blown calls of their refs, the least they could do is explain why the DQ was given and if this is the new "norm" going forward.
Not saying it was blown, just asking if they came out with a PR to explain it. Saying that, I would bet if you polled people, over 90% would say it didn't warrant a DQ. I think Bowers is a douche but don't think he deserved a DQ. Would also like to know if this is the standard going forward for ALL riders.
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tprice07 2/22/2019 1:58pm
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Bowers had the chance to give the riders a much needed voice. His credibility all went out the window when he attempted to break Barcia's leg. Now he thinks he can wiggle out of it by saying..oh well punishment is inconsistent.

Tyler, you literally went in for the kill you idiot. You are responsible for your own actions. This sport is dangerous enough as it is...you trying to get back at Barcia is not helping anyone. Grow up.
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tprice07 2/22/2019 2:00pm
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yak651 wrote:
So any official statement from AMA/FIM for the DQ? Heck even the NFL somewhat takes accountability for the blown calls of their refs, the least they...
So any official statement from AMA/FIM for the DQ? Heck even the NFL somewhat takes accountability for the blown calls of their refs, the least they could do is explain why the DQ was given and if this is the new "norm" going forward.
How was the call blown? Bowers had every intention of causing harm to Barcia. He knew exactly what he was doing. He got exactly what he deserved. If you try to physically injure another rider with you bike you do not deserve to be out there.

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