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whateversclever69 2/4/2019 8:30pm
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How many riders total are we talking about who could have been affected? Was there 40 riders in both classes who tried to qualify? And another...
How many riders total are we talking about who could have been affected? Was there 40 riders in both classes who tried to qualify? And another 20 KTM juniors? Maybe potentially 100 riders? Were there any reports of track workers, mechanics, security guards, etc being affected? I'm not an Esquire but I don't believe the waivers would protect the promoter in this situation if it's deemed there was improper or reckless use of the chemical (unintentional of course).

I would say guess someone is going to pay big, and hopefully, it doesn't affect the series. Where are all the Vital Esquires who can confirm?
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Nothings going to happen. You hit the key word, intent. Proving that will be next to impossible especially since they’ve used it for years without last...
Nothings going to happen. You hit the key word, intent. Proving that will be next to impossible especially since they’ve used it for years without last weekends issues. It’s not like they can measure they water failing from the sky, or the PH levels of the dirt, and come up with the perfect ratio of lime to elements to help dry the track. No one can. Not in the time setting they had. It’s a bad situation. Wounds will heal, lesson learned, be glad no one got hurt worse.
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Have you not seen the pics of the little kid in the hospital. Go look . If that was you kid if you have any you...
Have you not seen the pics of the little kid in the hospital. Go look . If that was you kid if you have any you would be fucking pissed .
Where did you see the photo of a hospitalized child?
braap braap braap 2/4/2019 8:30pm
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I would think intent doesn’t matter if you have negligence and it sure seems like there is a lot of that here.
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TbonesPop 2/4/2019 8:31pm
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kage173 wrote:
5 years from now everybody will be pining for the days when the track builders used Lime. They've been using this stuff forever....because it works
Lime is used because its a commodity, readily available and it's super cheap. There are plenty of alternate products that accomplish the same end result, and in some cases even more effectively. It's a lack of knowledge and $$ issue. This isn't the only sport performed on dirt in open stadiums where weather can be a factor. Lime should never be used again in this application. Even some of the safe alternatives are damn near commodities now. That's how antiquated lime is as a solution for this problem.
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Have you not seen the pics of the little kid in the hospital. Go look . If that was you kid if you have any you...
Have you not seen the pics of the little kid in the hospital. Go look . If that was you kid if you have any you would be fucking pissed .
Pissed? Hell yes I would be. I don’t think any parent wouldn’t. But what are you going to do? Hire a lawyer? File a suit against Feld? Tell junior no more motocross? Get him into little league that way when he loses his hearing from getting hit in the head from a baseball we can sue the baseball bat company for producing aluminum bats that project balls too fast? (And yes, that’s an actual case)
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eGGz 2/4/2019 8:33pm
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I am anxiously awaiting Feld's response as I feel their true colors will be laid bare for all to see
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EZZA 95B 2/4/2019 8:34pm
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I think they'll do the right thing and knock 5% off next weekend's rider entry fee.
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kage173 wrote:
5 years from now everybody will be pining for the days when the track builders used Lime. They've been using this stuff forever....because it works
mxtech1 wrote:
Thank you. To all of those asking "why did they put down so much lime if they knew it was going to rain" A freak chain...
Thank you.

To all of those asking "why did they put down so much lime if they knew it was going to rain"

A freak chain of events.

No one in that stadium had the background or knowledge to say the standing water might be acidic, we need to test.

Feld is the promoter, Dirt Wurx is the contractor. Guarantee the contract between the two has some sort of clause that safeguards Feld from anything dirt related.

Hopefully they find a better way or move SX to covered stadiums exclusively. Many things worked well at one point but things progress and it’s time. Lime is old school

Was not a freak chain of events. The storms were broadcast for a week and they had it almost to the minute when it was going to pour. Everyone knew it but they still put down a shit ton of lime.

I agree that there was no one there to know the potential of the amount of lime and its affects when mixed with that much water. However, with the known amount of rain headed that way. Adding lime was a piss in the win move at that point.

Can’t wait to see the first step tomorrow
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eGGz wrote:
I am anxiously awaiting Feld's response as I feel their true colors will be laid bare for all to see
I’m with you, Cindy.
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jstein639 wrote:
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but you most certainly do not need to prove intent.
Go on, I’m listening....
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I requested a delete/ banned so you all good now ??????
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Have you not seen the pics of the little kid in the hospital. Go look . If that was you kid if you have any you...
Have you not seen the pics of the little kid in the hospital. Go look . If that was you kid if you have any you would be fucking pissed .
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Pissed? Hell yes I would be. I don’t think any parent wouldn’t. But what are you going to do? Hire a lawyer? File a suit against...
Pissed? Hell yes I would be. I don’t think any parent wouldn’t. But what are you going to do? Hire a lawyer? File a suit against Feld? Tell junior no more motocross? Get him into little league that way when he loses his hearing from getting hit in the head from a baseball we can sue the baseball bat company for producing aluminum bats that project balls too fast? (And yes, that’s an actual case)
You have no balls
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jstein639 wrote:
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but you most certainly do not need to prove intent.
Premix wrote:
Go on, I’m listening....
I’m not going to write an essay about the legal philosophy behind it, but I will attach the actual elements for negligence in California so that you can see for yourself that you don’t have to prove intent.

https://www.justia.com/trials-litigation/docs/caci/400/

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motograss 2/4/2019 8:41pm
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High hopes in thinking all the shilling would go undetected by the folks on in here.
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jstein639 wrote:
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but you most certainly do not need to prove intent.
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Go on, I’m listening....
You in dander pros an kids GOD DAMN right I will call it out. Fuck You people that get free $25 tickets
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braap braap braap 2/4/2019 8:42pm
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jstein639 wrote:
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but you most certainly do not need to prove intent.
Premix wrote:
Go on, I’m listening....
Don’t need to prove intent when there is negligence.
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TbonesPop 2/4/2019 8:43pm
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braap braap braap wrote:
I would think intent doesn’t matter if you have negligence and it sure seems like there is a lot of that here.
You are correct, intent is meaningless in situations like this. I work in the chemical industry. Our company was a very minor part of a large chemical release situation in the last year in which there was a very big lawsuit. We made 1 very slight mistake in our job of which didn't directly impact anyone. One person in our company didn't follow 1 SOP correctly. We had all other cards in order, SOPs, documentation, etc. Yet we were still involved and named. Over +$50K in legal fees, +$30K in OSHA fines later for us over one slight mistake, I can't imagine how much the big players (who were mainly responsible) got dinged for. Intent has nothing to do with it other than minimizing the damages.
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I requested a delete/ banned so you all good now ??????
Whatever you do, don’t stop posting.
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jstein639 wrote:
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but you most certainly do not need to prove intent.
Premix wrote:
Go on, I’m listening....
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You in dander pros an kids GOD DAMN right I will call it out. Fuck You people that get free $25 tickets
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Has anyone heard about the dig dugs? I wonder if they got burned up to, but it looked like most were wearing proper rain gear so maybe it didn't get on their skin?
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jstein639 wrote:
I’m not going to write an essay about the legal philosophy behind it, but I will attach the actual elements for negligence in California so that...
I’m not going to write an essay about the legal philosophy behind it, but I will attach the actual elements for negligence in California so that you can see for yourself that you don’t have to prove intent.

https://www.justia.com/trials-litigation/docs/caci/400/

The only thing that would need to proven is that the crew/individual had no proper training in the use of the chemicals ordered and applied. Saftey sheets would also need to be on hand and readily available to personnel for all chemicals used during the course of duties. Without files showing these personnel were trained and signed off by a safety lead to use such chemicals, this is a slam dunk corporate negligence case for all parties involved.
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Chris_Cooksey 2/4/2019 8:49pm
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motograss wrote:
High hopes in thinking all the shilling would go undetected by the folks on in here.
Is it shilling to be somewhat defensive for a mistake? I am somewhat embarrassed that I didn’t know Lime could cause these issues, I figured it’s been used for years so it must be safe. This is a HORRIBLE situation but I don’t think anyone had bad intentions. It will be an expensive mistake though.
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braap braap braap wrote:
Don’t need to prove intent when there is negligence.
How were they negligent? By spreading a drying agent they have used successfully for the last 10 years? Once again, no one knows if the batch they received was bad. No one knows if it reacted the way it did because of the elements or something else? I don’t know, no one dose, and the major glaring fact that everyone is missing is the track had already been torn down and whatever evidence was left, has already been tainted because the track has been torn down. If it were to go to trial, (which it won’t), whatever samples they collect would be thrown out.
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mxtech1 wrote:
Thank you. To all of those asking "why did they put down so much lime if they knew it was going to rain" A freak chain...
Thank you.

To all of those asking "why did they put down so much lime if they knew it was going to rain"

A freak chain of events.

No one in that stadium had the background or knowledge to say the standing water might be acidic, we need to test.

Feld is the promoter, Dirt Wurx is the contractor. Guarantee the contract between the two has some sort of clause that safeguards Feld from anything dirt related.

Lime's alkaline, not acidic.
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Is it shilling to be somewhat defensive for a mistake? I am somewhat embarrassed that I didn’t know Lime could cause these issues, I figured it’s...
Is it shilling to be somewhat defensive for a mistake? I am somewhat embarrassed that I didn’t know Lime could cause these issues, I figured it’s been used for years so it must be safe. This is a HORRIBLE situation but I don’t think anyone had bad intentions. It will be an expensive mistake though.
Intent doesn't matter only the actions that caused injury. You'd never survive in the business world attaching emotion to liabilty.
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Premix wrote:
How were they negligent? By spreading a drying agent they have used successfully for the last 10 years? Once again, no one knows if the batch...
How were they negligent? By spreading a drying agent they have used successfully for the last 10 years? Once again, no one knows if the batch they received was bad. No one knows if it reacted the way it did because of the elements or something else? I don’t know, no one dose, and the major glaring fact that everyone is missing is the track had already been torn down and whatever evidence was left, has already been tainted because the track has been torn down. If it were to go to trial, (which it won’t), whatever samples they collect would be thrown out.
Your argument is baseless.
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Chris_Cooksey 2/4/2019 8:56pm
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Chris_Cooksey wrote:
Is it shilling to be somewhat defensive for a mistake? I am somewhat embarrassed that I didn’t know Lime could cause these issues, I figured it’s...
Is it shilling to be somewhat defensive for a mistake? I am somewhat embarrassed that I didn’t know Lime could cause these issues, I figured it’s been used for years so it must be safe. This is a HORRIBLE situation but I don’t think anyone had bad intentions. It will be an expensive mistake though.
motograss wrote:
Intent doesn't matter only the actions that caused injury. You'd never survive in the business world attaching emotion to liabilty.
Not attaching emotion to a legal issue, attaching it to the public perception of the issue. No argument that they are liable and it’s going to get ugly...
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typ2vw159 wrote:
Been fu play but baby girl need yogurt an 7up she sick so please a MOD BAN ME FOR LIFE PLEASE!!!!!!
Is this guy what happens when cousins fuck?
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TbonesPop 2/4/2019 8:59pm
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braap braap braap wrote:
Don’t need to prove intent when there is negligence.
Premix wrote:
How were they negligent? By spreading a drying agent they have used successfully for the last 10 years? Once again, no one knows if the batch...
How were they negligent? By spreading a drying agent they have used successfully for the last 10 years? Once again, no one knows if the batch they received was bad. No one knows if it reacted the way it did because of the elements or something else? I don’t know, no one dose, and the major glaring fact that everyone is missing is the track had already been torn down and whatever evidence was left, has already been tainted because the track has been torn down. If it were to go to trial, (which it won’t), whatever samples they collect would be thrown out.
The product and Quality control is all traceable based on CofA's, packages shipped, and sample retains. Getting a sample of the batch of lime used is 100% readily available in the event of a lawsuit. Retain samples are required for all batches. All chemicals are currently required to have labels that meet GHS requirements which includes 6 primary components of which will include the manufacturer or provider of the material along with hazards, warning statements, lot numbers, etc. If they shipped product that didn't meet GHS standards, they are double fucked.
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