Ryan Dungey drawing .

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jeffro503 12/7/2018 8:49pm
12/7/2018 8:49pm
cudby wrote:
All I said is it’s my photo. That’s all.
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Always , always , always been a fan of your photo's man. I mean , a serious fan that has gone back years in awe looking...
Always , always , always been a fan of your photo's man. I mean , a serious fan that has gone back years in awe looking at some of the stuff you have shot. Will always be a fan as well. With that being said......if it was my pic , I would be honored that someone took multiple hours to do a drawing of it.

I've actually never really thought of a drawing of a famous picture , and what that might mean in the copyright rules and so forth. I mean , it's not a copy by any means , but a drawing , so it's literally 100% different.....right? That question is for anyone btw.
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This might address your question:

https://thelawtog.com/someone-makes-illustration-painting-based-photogr…
Aha.....thank you! Just read all that , and it makes sense.
BigMunster 12/7/2018 9:19pm
12/7/2018 9:19pm
Can i still buy it?
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ab5772 12/7/2018 9:25pm
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I really have no desire to get into it with someone who clearly has no understanding nor experience of any kind in this subject. If you...
I really have no desire to get into it with someone who clearly has no understanding nor experience of any kind in this subject.

If you really care about the issue there are countless articles written about it on the internet... but if you're more of a visual guy you can watch the documentary "Obey Giant" which is all about how Shepard Fairey did this with the Obama "Hope" posters.

Educate yourself, then come back, and we'll have a discussion to fill in any questions you may have.
It's definitely a grey area, but there was never a ruling due to a settlement beforehand.

"Until the settlement between Mr. Fairey and The Associated Press, the case was watched closely as one that might define more clearly the murky issues surrounding the fair-use exceptions to copyright protections. One central question was whether Mr. Fairey’s creation, which became ubiquitous on street corners and T-shirts during and after Mr. Obama’s campaign, constituted a “transformative” use of the photograph, a use that is allowed under the law so that creative expression is not stifled."
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brimx153 12/7/2018 9:35pm
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First off the drawing is entirely free hand . I took the picture off goggle images , there was no name of who took it...
First off the drawing is entirely free hand . I took the picture off goggle images , there was no name of who took it , or watermark or copywrite on it . Some have suggested I should have sent guy b or cuby an e mail to ask permission. Well I had no clue who took the photo so that was nt an option . I did the drawing last year , it s of something that happen over 5 years ago so I did nt think anyone would be too concerned about it either way. I'll say this again it s rare I do drawing of motocross. It not like it's my full time job and I making Tons of money off it . Plus any money I do get would be going straight back into the sport anyway (I even offered to swop it for bike parts ) . Plus I was selling the drawing its self ,there were no copies of it .

Guy b if it not comfortable with it u can just tell me and I will delete the thread and bin the drawing ,no hard feeling s

The drawing is not the exact same as the photo . I always use artistic licence in drawing s , mostly in backgrounds ,

Akillerwombat , comparing my drawing to the hope pictures is wrong, imo. That was stealing an idea which imo is different . If you talking law . All that would happen is the photographer could try sue me . The judge would ask did I copy it from this photo . I will say No , point out the artistic differences and tell them to prove I coppied it .which they can t ( even cuby was getting confused on who took it ) that would be the end of story .
I am not that type of person , I have mad respect for cuby and guy b , that s why I have been full honest where I got the photo . But I do think I could of just said , I did not use ur pic , and prove it .
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Honestly, do whatever you want man. I obviously have no clue what I'm talking about. [img]https://media.giphy.com/media/ulKNI69ZnUMmWxVW29/giphy.gif[/img] ... and there's no way any judge in the world...
Honestly, do whatever you want man.

I obviously have no clue what I'm talking about.



... and there's no way any judge in the world could see how that ^ drawing might have been copied from a photo that you didn't have permission to copy.

From one art guy to another all I'm trying to do is give you a heads up that doing this type of stuff puts you in the "gray area" that Billy cant shut up about and people who take artists to court over "gray area" shit like "was it copied?" are willing to shell out way more money to detour other artists from taking their work with out permission than you're going to have to defend it.

You're a moto guy. You respect GuyB and Cudby. You clearly know how to get a hold of them. Protect yourself and track down who took the photo and get permission... especially if you are trying to sell it.


P.S. If you ever wonder where you got the photo / who took the photo you can drag the images into Google Image search (https://www.google.com/imghp?hl=en&tab=wi&authuser=0) and it will 9 times out of 10 you'll be able to find the owner (either individual, company, or stock site) where it came from in 5 or less clicks.
I appreciate the advice , and I will be more careful in future. I honestly did nt know who took the photo , saw no copy write and just did it for some was ment to be extra x mass money. In future I will do as u say dig into who took it and is it copywrited. And ask. Thanks for the tip for finding out.
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NorCal 50+ 12/7/2018 10:16pm
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Dude, that was freehand? (edit- I'll delete my previous comment because I mentioned a photo filter but I checked out Brian Anderson art FB page. That's crazy accuracy on the drawing).
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fullfloater 12/8/2018 12:45am
12/8/2018 12:45am
That's not a very good reflection of the actual crowd. Kidding! Love the photo and the drawing. Part of our history.
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cudby 12/8/2018 5:58am
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My shot for reference...
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HenryA 12/8/2018 6:44am
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Damn Jeffro, finally famous! Haha...
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Beeby 12/8/2018 7:03am
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akillerwombat wrote:
Honestly, do whatever you want man. I obviously have no clue what I'm talking about. [img]https://media.giphy.com/media/ulKNI69ZnUMmWxVW29/giphy.gif[/img] ... and there's no way any judge in the world...
Honestly, do whatever you want man.

I obviously have no clue what I'm talking about.



... and there's no way any judge in the world could see how that ^ drawing might have been copied from a photo that you didn't have permission to copy.

From one art guy to another all I'm trying to do is give you a heads up that doing this type of stuff puts you in the "gray area" that Billy cant shut up about and people who take artists to court over "gray area" shit like "was it copied?" are willing to shell out way more money to detour other artists from taking their work with out permission than you're going to have to defend it.

You're a moto guy. You respect GuyB and Cudby. You clearly know how to get a hold of them. Protect yourself and track down who took the photo and get permission... especially if you are trying to sell it.


P.S. If you ever wonder where you got the photo / who took the photo you can drag the images into Google Image search (https://www.google.com/imghp?hl=en&tab=wi&authuser=0) and it will 9 times out of 10 you'll be able to find the owner (either individual, company, or stock site) where it came from in 5 or less clicks.
Free hand drawn and no tracing of the outline even and it’s that close to the original photo?
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Gworm 12/8/2018 7:41am
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I’m not a lawyer or a photographer, and the only thing I can draw are flies. So I’ll throw my “expert” opinion in here...

Wouldn’t the beef be with Google for having it on the web. I would think that the internet and social media throws a whole new dynamic into this situation.

Just a question.
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akillerwombat 12/8/2018 8:28am
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I’m not a lawyer or a photographer, and the only thing I can draw are flies. So I’ll throw my “expert” opinion in here... Wouldn’t the...
I’m not a lawyer or a photographer, and the only thing I can draw are flies. So I’ll throw my “expert” opinion in here...

Wouldn’t the beef be with Google for having it on the web. I would think that the internet and social media throws a whole new dynamic into this situation.

Just a question.
Is it the shop owners fault when one of his apples gets stolen or is it the thief’s fault?
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SigPig 12/8/2018 8:34am
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brimx153 wrote:
First off the drawing is entirely free hand . I took the picture off goggle images , there was no name of who took it...
First off the drawing is entirely free hand . I took the picture off goggle images , there was no name of who took it , or watermark or copywrite on it . Some have suggested I should have sent guy b or cuby an e mail to ask permission. Well I had no clue who took the photo so that was nt an option . I did the drawing last year , it s of something that happen over 5 years ago so I did nt think anyone would be too concerned about it either way. I'll say this again it s rare I do drawing of motocross. It not like it's my full time job and I making Tons of money off it . Plus any money I do get would be going straight back into the sport anyway (I even offered to swop it for bike parts ) . Plus I was selling the drawing its self ,there were no copies of it .

Guy b if it not comfortable with it u can just tell me and I will delete the thread and bin the drawing ,no hard feeling s

The drawing is not the exact same as the photo . I always use artistic licence in drawing s , mostly in backgrounds ,

Akillerwombat , comparing my drawing to the hope pictures is wrong, imo. That was stealing an idea which imo is different . If you talking law . All that would happen is the photographer could try sue me . The judge would ask did I copy it from this photo . I will say No , point out the artistic differences and tell them to prove I coppied it .which they can t ( even cuby was getting confused on who took it ) that would be the end of story .
I am not that type of person , I have mad respect for cuby and guy b , that s why I have been full honest where I got the photo . But I do think I could of just said , I did not use ur pic , and prove it .
Well shit son, if that's the case it's probably my image since I took a screenshot of the broadcast and posted the image online.

Feel free to do whatever you like with it.
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Gworm 12/8/2018 8:45am
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I’m not a lawyer or a photographer, and the only thing I can draw are flies. So I’ll throw my “expert” opinion in here... Wouldn’t the...
I’m not a lawyer or a photographer, and the only thing I can draw are flies. So I’ll throw my “expert” opinion in here...

Wouldn’t the beef be with Google for having it on the web. I would think that the internet and social media throws a whole new dynamic into this situation.

Just a question.
akillerwombat wrote:
Is it the shop owners fault when one of his apples gets stolen or is it the thief’s fault?
I guess I’m just considering Google as the first thief.
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3dw4rd 12/8/2018 8:57am
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cudby wrote:
My shot for reference... [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/12/08/308406/s1200_Screen_Shot_2018_12_08_at_5.57.26_AM.jpg[/img]
My shot for reference...
Judging by the fence line in the background and a few other references I’d also have to conclude that he did not use your photo.

But it is a great piece of art. The photo, the drawing and even the moment they represent are destined to be iconic and passed on through the years with various meme type representations, like the picture of Hannah swapping a huck a buck over Gravity Cavity.
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jeffro503 12/8/2018 9:20am
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I think the main point here , weather you think it's wrong or right to draw / paint an iconic photo......you have to give credit , when credit is due. It's an awesome photo , and an incredible drawing. So thanks for sharing Steve and Bri !
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I'm a nude model if anyone is interested in drawing me
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brimx153 12/8/2018 9:33am
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Beeby wrote:
Free hand drawn and no tracing of the outline even and it’s that close to the original photo?
It's a lot harder to get a portrait fully spot on than a drawing of a bike,
This is fully hand drawn too
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dang472 12/8/2018 9:36am
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I think Ulysses S. Grant took that photo.....
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brimx153 12/8/2018 9:36am
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cudby wrote:
My shot for reference... [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/12/08/308406/s1200_Screen_Shot_2018_12_08_at_5.57.26_AM.jpg[/img]
My shot for reference...
It s def not the picture I used , in the one I used you could see the stand in the bottom of it . .And you could nt see Mike that close to Dungey, he was slight back further
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Amazing talent you have!
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mx196 12/8/2018 10:23am
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cudby wrote:
My shot for reference... [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/12/08/308406/s1200_Screen_Shot_2018_12_08_at_5.57.26_AM.jpg[/img]
My shot for reference...
Thank you for giving us even more reference. We didn't know what picture you were upset over.
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EMARacing 12/8/2018 11:20am
12/8/2018 11:20am
Still for sale?
Aceofspades 12/8/2018 11:58am
12/8/2018 11:58am
Sell the drawing and split the loot with GuyB. Problem solved.
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brimx153 12/8/2018 12:27pm
12/8/2018 12:27pm
How about this , say Guy B send s me his favourite photo he has ever took. And I will do a drawing of it . Then we can put it up for auction with all proceeds going to R2R . Maybe try get the rider to sign it too .

Would you be up for that Guy B ,

Ps, your photo is brilliant and I never ment to cause any disrespect,. I will be a lot more carefull in future with images I use and do more reserch into who took the photo. And make sure to ask permission,
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theprizefighter 12/8/2018 1:01pm
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brimx153 wrote:
How about this , say Guy B send s me his favourite photo he has ever took. And I will do a drawing of it...
How about this , say Guy B send s me his favourite photo he has ever took. And I will do a drawing of it . Then we can put it up for auction with all proceeds going to R2R . Maybe try get the rider to sign it too .

Would you be up for that Guy B ,

Ps, your photo is brilliant and I never ment to cause any disrespect,. I will be a lot more carefull in future with images I use and do more reserch into who took the photo. And make sure to ask permission,
You should have taken a picture of the picture and then drew the picture you took of the picture. Problem solved.
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Aceofspades 12/8/2018 2:53pm
12/8/2018 2:53pm
Draw a pic of GuyB taking the photo.
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Robgvx 12/8/2018 3:05pm
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If you place ten dollar bills on the pavement you shouldn’t get upset if other people pick them up.
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blockhead17 12/8/2018 4:48pm
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Really can’t believe what I have been reading.. it’s on YouTube too FYI

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