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When you tell me I can't have it, and the Pro's have been running them forever, that just makes me want it moreLaughing
ML512 wrote:
You can have it, they're just hard to get...more expensive...harder to get parts for...and possibly worse for the average Joe than a set of 48s would...
You can have it, they're just hard to get...more expensive...harder to get parts for...and possibly worse for the average Joe than a set of 48s would be.
My friend has a set on this bike. Powerband got them set up very well for vet riders as far as plushness and using the travel, but the fork/clamps are VERY rigid! I wanted a set until I tried them.
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When you tell me I can't have it, and the Pro's have been running them forever, that just makes me want it moreLaughing
ML512 wrote:
You can have it, they're just hard to get...more expensive...harder to get parts for...and possibly worse for the average Joe than a set of 48s would...
You can have it, they're just hard to get...more expensive...harder to get parts for...and possibly worse for the average Joe than a set of 48s would be.
My friend has a set on this bike. Powerband got them set up very well for vet riders as far as plushness and using the travel...
My friend has a set on this bike. Powerband got them set up very well for vet riders as far as plushness and using the travel, but the fork/clamps are VERY rigid! I wanted a set until I tried them.
And you are the average Joe...Joe... Laughing I had to...
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ML512 wrote:
You can have it, they're just hard to get...more expensive...harder to get parts for...and possibly worse for the average Joe than a set of 48s would...
You can have it, they're just hard to get...more expensive...harder to get parts for...and possibly worse for the average Joe than a set of 48s would be.
My friend has a set on this bike. Powerband got them set up very well for vet riders as far as plushness and using the travel...
My friend has a set on this bike. Powerband got them set up very well for vet riders as far as plushness and using the travel, but the fork/clamps are VERY rigid! I wanted a set until I tried them.
ML512 wrote:
And you are the average Joe...Joe... Laughing I had to...
I'll "like" that comment. But be careful...Evil
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11/6/2018 11:51am Edited Date/Time 11/6/2018 11:51am
Monk wrote:
What's the XACT forks?
AJ565 wrote:
You know how you think your wife is hot and then you meet her younger even hotter sister who’s bi and can put her ankles behind...
You know how you think your wife is hot and then you meet her younger even hotter sister who’s bi and can put her ankles behind her head? That’s what XACT is, the younger hotter sister.
flopper12 wrote:
My wife has a sister like that. Lots of tattoo's and a big ole booty. That ragin' bitch is fun to look at though.
My sister in law is a younger, hotter, redhead version of my wife.... not sure about the bi part, and I had better stop before I start wondering too much about the ankles behind her head part. Blink
Not gonna go there.
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AJ565 wrote:
You know how you think your wife is hot and then you meet her younger even hotter sister who’s bi and can put her ankles behind...
You know how you think your wife is hot and then you meet her younger even hotter sister who’s bi and can put her ankles behind her head? That’s what XACT is, the younger hotter sister.
flopper12 wrote:
My wife has a sister like that. Lots of tattoo's and a big ole booty. That ragin' bitch is fun to look at though.
Falcon wrote:
My sister in law is a younger, hotter, redhead version of my wife.... not sure about the bi part, and I had better stop before I...
My sister in law is a younger, hotter, redhead version of my wife.... not sure about the bi part, and I had better stop before I start wondering too much about the ankles behind her head part. Blink
Not gonna go there.
Pics or its a lie lol
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They need to offer the 52mm's to the public. I'm not sure most owners run CV internals anyway? AJ I see you got a new set...
They need to offer the 52mm's to the public. I'm not sure most owners run CV internals anyway?

AJ I see you got a new set, did you get the new stuff, or still banging your wifeSmile ? How was Spoaks Saturday?
I have a set [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/11/06/300499/s1200_IMG_2277.jpg[/img]
I have a set
52's? How do you like them and where did you steal them?
They are great. They came from some dutch Husqvarna team that folded. They work great for me. I had a set of 48s before, and these feel much better when set up correctly
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11/7/2018 8:43am Edited Date/Time 11/7/2018 8:46am
I have a set [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/11/06/300499/s1200_IMG_2277.jpg[/img]
I have a set
52's? How do you like them and where did you steal them?
They are great. They came from some dutch Husqvarna team that folded. They work great for me. I had a set of 48s before, and these...
They are great. They came from some dutch Husqvarna team that folded. They work great for me. I had a set of 48s before, and these feel much better when set up correctly
But, but, but, are you a Pro? They are supposed to be too stiff Woohoo

As far as I know, they are only available 2nd hand from race teams, the way you got yours.

Great looking bike!
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But, but, but, are you a Pro? They are supposed to be too stiff :woohoo: As far as I know, they are only available 2nd hand...
But, but, but, are you a Pro? They are supposed to be too stiff Woohoo

As far as I know, they are only available 2nd hand from race teams, the way you got yours.

Great looking bike!
Even some pros don't like them, it's a feel thing regardless and I personally found them to be too rigid.
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11/7/2018 9:31am Edited Date/Time 11/7/2018 9:32am
smv ryder wrote:
I think you mean the '17/'18 CRF 450's and and the new Kawi 450. Those are closet to kit suspension so far.
-MAVERICK- wrote:
Possibly but I'm thinking the '08/'09 CRF did as well. Michael would have a better idea.

Paging ML512.
ML512 wrote:
The 08 had a 47mm Showa spring fork, quite a bit different in overall components to a works fork at the time. The 09 CRF450R had...
The 08 had a 47mm Showa spring fork, quite a bit different in overall components to a works fork at the time. The 09 CRF450R had a 48mm KYB AOS fork.
Also called the SSS fork...
Not sure why there was ever a "separation" in mxa notably
11/7/2018 9:37am
-MAVERICK- wrote:
Possibly but I'm thinking the '08/'09 CRF did as well. Michael would have a better idea.

Paging ML512.
ML512 wrote:
The 08 had a 47mm Showa spring fork, quite a bit different in overall components to a works fork at the time. The 09 CRF450R had...
The 08 had a 47mm Showa spring fork, quite a bit different in overall components to a works fork at the time. The 09 CRF450R had a 48mm KYB AOS fork.
Also called the SSS fork...
Not sure why there was ever a "separation" in mxa notably
Because for some reason the 05 AOSS forks on the YZ's were said to be "horrible."

Still haven't figured that out because mine are pretty damn good. Maybe not quite as good as the forks on my 14 yz450, but they are good enough for the average guy.
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11/7/2018 9:38am
So do these new forks have an external valve adjustment kind of like what the Kreft setup has?
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11/7/2018 9:48am Edited Date/Time 9/1/2026 6:11pm
Only cool thing about the 52s is the weight. And yes I’ve ridden them.
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But, but, but, are you a Pro? They are supposed to be too stiff :woohoo: As far as I know, they are only available 2nd hand...
But, but, but, are you a Pro? They are supposed to be too stiff Woohoo

As far as I know, they are only available 2nd hand from race teams, the way you got yours.

Great looking bike!
ML512 wrote:
Even some pros don't like them, it's a feel thing regardless and I personally found them to be too rigid.
I have talked to a few of the off-road guys that tried them at KTM and they all chose not to run them. Way to rigid.
11/7/2018 10:51am
ML512 wrote:
The 08 had a 47mm Showa spring fork, quite a bit different in overall components to a works fork at the time. The 09 CRF450R had...
The 08 had a 47mm Showa spring fork, quite a bit different in overall components to a works fork at the time. The 09 CRF450R had a 48mm KYB AOS fork.
Also called the SSS fork...
Not sure why there was ever a "separation" in mxa notably
mattyhamz2 wrote:
Because for some reason the 05 AOSS forks on the YZ's were said to be "horrible." Still haven't figured that out because mine are pretty damn...
Because for some reason the 05 AOSS forks on the YZ's were said to be "horrible."

Still haven't figured that out because mine are pretty damn good. Maybe not quite as good as the forks on my 14 yz450, but they are good enough for the average guy.
That fork was far different from 06+ which is essentially same as current fork being sold by yamaha

Frankly I hated that fork in stock form -

The crf, kxf, and showaba on the 10crf250r were the SAME fork as the 06+ SSS on the yz

Yet somehow MXA always seperated this fact in the magazine. The SSS is an AOS fork - so is the 05 yz AOS - but internally the 05 fork is a bastard year fork - with small base valve piston, spring in lower fork leg as part of unsprung mass (bad) and had a terrible baseline setting IMHO




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Also called the SSS fork...
Not sure why there was ever a "separation" in mxa notably
mattyhamz2 wrote:
Because for some reason the 05 AOSS forks on the YZ's were said to be "horrible." Still haven't figured that out because mine are pretty damn...
Because for some reason the 05 AOSS forks on the YZ's were said to be "horrible."

Still haven't figured that out because mine are pretty damn good. Maybe not quite as good as the forks on my 14 yz450, but they are good enough for the average guy.
That fork was far different from 06+ which is essentially same as current fork being sold by yamaha Frankly I hated that fork in stock form...
That fork was far different from 06+ which is essentially same as current fork being sold by yamaha

Frankly I hated that fork in stock form -

The crf, kxf, and showaba on the 10crf250r were the SAME fork as the 06+ SSS on the yz

Yet somehow MXA always seperated this fact in the magazine. The SSS is an AOS fork - so is the 05 yz AOS - but internally the 05 fork is a bastard year fork - with small base valve piston, spring in lower fork leg as part of unsprung mass (bad) and had a terrible baseline setting IMHO




The first time I took an '05 fork apart I looked over at Ross and asked him what the hell, he answered something like "Yeah, we don't talk about that thing..." Laughing
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I really appreciate all of you guys trying to help me not want 52's, but I've wanted them for almost 15 years now. It is one of the only "works" unobtanium items left these days. They seem to fly under the radar because they don't "look" different. When David Knight left KTM he refused to return 2 sets of them. Every World MX Champ since 2010 in MXGP and 2008 in MX2 has run them. Apparently Shane Watts and his bad wrists run them on his current bikes. If they are not running them on today's bikes it could be rider choice, or it could be the team wanting them to run stock looking bikes? So I appreciate everyone's opinion, but I want what all these top racers choose to run too, only set up for me.

Some frames are more rigid than others, but the engineering principles of a larger fork are sound. A larger air/oil chamber results in a more progressive air spring. Less flex results in less stiction. They are lighter. Obviously setup would be key, but the dampening doing the job as opposed to flex to make up for poor dampening. If less rigid is better, why doesn't anyone run 44's or 35's anymore? Why do current forks work better with slick coatings? The answer is because they flex so badly that with conventional anodizing forks wear out the upper fork tubes creating fouled oil and loose tolerances. Not bushing wear, fork tube wear that cannot be repaired.

Maybe one year KTM and Husky will offer them on the Factory Editions, or at least through the parts network. Right now, if you are not running a race team, they are not for sale. Build it and they will come.

Shane Watts doing the circle berm in his training classes.

Juha Salminen

David Knight

Tyla Rattray


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AJ565 wrote:
You know how you think your wife is hot and then you meet her younger even hotter sister who’s bi and can put her ankles behind...
You know how you think your wife is hot and then you meet her younger even hotter sister who’s bi and can put her ankles behind her head? That’s what XACT is, the younger hotter sister.
flopper12 wrote:
My wife has a sister like that. Lots of tattoo's and a big ole booty. That ragin' bitch is fun to look at though.
Falcon wrote:
My sister in law is a younger, hotter, redhead version of my wife.... not sure about the bi part, and I had better stop before I...
My sister in law is a younger, hotter, redhead version of my wife.... not sure about the bi part, and I had better stop before I start wondering too much about the ankles behind her head part. Blink
Not gonna go there.
How about her ankles behind your head?
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11/7/2018 12:56pm Edited Date/Time 11/7/2018 12:56pm
The_Diablo wrote:
Is this having something do to with the rumor that ktm's and husky's are using the cone valve forks on production bikes next year? Possibly ditching...
Is this having something do to with the rumor that ktm's and husky's are using the cone valve forks on production bikes next year? Possibly ditching the aer48 forks?
I’d love for this to be true but it’s hard to believe.
WP has been testing at Glen Helen on Thursdays and the decals on the KTM and Husky bikes say AER but I am not so sure they are.
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The_Diablo wrote:
Is this having something do to with the rumor that ktm's and husky's are using the cone valve forks on production bikes next year? Possibly ditching...
Is this having something do to with the rumor that ktm's and husky's are using the cone valve forks on production bikes next year? Possibly ditching the aer48 forks?
I’d love for this to be true but it’s hard to believe.
Myke wrote:
WP has been testing at Glen Helen on Thursdays and the decals on the KTM and Husky bikes say AER but I am not so sure...
WP has been testing at Glen Helen on Thursdays and the decals on the KTM and Husky bikes say AER but I am not so sure they are.
They test publicly basically every week. When I looked a couple weeks go they were air forks.
11/9/2018 10:37am
I really appreciate all of you guys trying to help me not want 52's, but I've wanted them for almost 15 years now. It is one...
I really appreciate all of you guys trying to help me not want 52's, but I've wanted them for almost 15 years now. It is one of the only "works" unobtanium items left these days. They seem to fly under the radar because they don't "look" different. When David Knight left KTM he refused to return 2 sets of them. Every World MX Champ since 2010 in MXGP and 2008 in MX2 has run them. Apparently Shane Watts and his bad wrists run them on his current bikes. If they are not running them on today's bikes it could be rider choice, or it could be the team wanting them to run stock looking bikes? So I appreciate everyone's opinion, but I want what all these top racers choose to run too, only set up for me.

Some frames are more rigid than others, but the engineering principles of a larger fork are sound. A larger air/oil chamber results in a more progressive air spring. Less flex results in less stiction. They are lighter. Obviously setup would be key, but the dampening doing the job as opposed to flex to make up for poor dampening. If less rigid is better, why doesn't anyone run 44's or 35's anymore? Why do current forks work better with slick coatings? The answer is because they flex so badly that with conventional anodizing forks wear out the upper fork tubes creating fouled oil and loose tolerances. Not bushing wear, fork tube wear that cannot be repaired.

Maybe one year KTM and Husky will offer them on the Factory Editions, or at least through the parts network. Right now, if you are not running a race team, they are not for sale. Build it and they will come.

Shane Watts doing the circle berm in his training classes.

Juha Salminen

David Knight

Tyla Rattray


I recall reading the 52's were also an ALL aluminum fork

AKA the lower stanchions are aluminum.

Engineering 101 - almost all materials have a similar strength to weight ratio - aka steel is twice as strong as alum - and twice the weight. True even to wood vs metals...
However - side note - their character is different...

Once we got smart - and realized that stiffness/strength went up cubed (^3) vs diameter - but weight only went up squared (^2) vs diameter....we then used lighter/weaker materials with larger diameters to get a same strength part at a lighter weight.

SOOO
If Im not mistaken - the modern 52's are an all aluminum lower tube - at a larger diameter to keep the strength - but they WOULD have a HUGE issue for the consumer - aluminum DOESN'T have an infinite fatigue life - AND it's far more prone to massive failure than steel.

Maybe the older versions are steel - but I think the modern SX ones were dlc coated alum.
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I really appreciate all of you guys trying to help me not want 52's, but I've wanted them for almost 15 years now. It is one...
I really appreciate all of you guys trying to help me not want 52's, but I've wanted them for almost 15 years now. It is one of the only "works" unobtanium items left these days. They seem to fly under the radar because they don't "look" different. When David Knight left KTM he refused to return 2 sets of them. Every World MX Champ since 2010 in MXGP and 2008 in MX2 has run them. Apparently Shane Watts and his bad wrists run them on his current bikes. If they are not running them on today's bikes it could be rider choice, or it could be the team wanting them to run stock looking bikes? So I appreciate everyone's opinion, but I want what all these top racers choose to run too, only set up for me.

Some frames are more rigid than others, but the engineering principles of a larger fork are sound. A larger air/oil chamber results in a more progressive air spring. Less flex results in less stiction. They are lighter. Obviously setup would be key, but the dampening doing the job as opposed to flex to make up for poor dampening. If less rigid is better, why doesn't anyone run 44's or 35's anymore? Why do current forks work better with slick coatings? The answer is because they flex so badly that with conventional anodizing forks wear out the upper fork tubes creating fouled oil and loose tolerances. Not bushing wear, fork tube wear that cannot be repaired.

Maybe one year KTM and Husky will offer them on the Factory Editions, or at least through the parts network. Right now, if you are not running a race team, they are not for sale. Build it and they will come.

Shane Watts doing the circle berm in his training classes.

Juha Salminen

David Knight

Tyla Rattray


I recall reading the 52's were also an ALL aluminum fork AKA the lower stanchions are aluminum. Engineering 101 - almost all materials have a similar...
I recall reading the 52's were also an ALL aluminum fork

AKA the lower stanchions are aluminum.

Engineering 101 - almost all materials have a similar strength to weight ratio - aka steel is twice as strong as alum - and twice the weight. True even to wood vs metals...
However - side note - their character is different...

Once we got smart - and realized that stiffness/strength went up cubed (^3) vs diameter - but weight only went up squared (^2) vs diameter....we then used lighter/weaker materials with larger diameters to get a same strength part at a lighter weight.

SOOO
If Im not mistaken - the modern 52's are an all aluminum lower tube - at a larger diameter to keep the strength - but they WOULD have a HUGE issue for the consumer - aluminum DOESN'T have an infinite fatigue life - AND it's far more prone to massive failure than steel.

Maybe the older versions are steel - but I think the modern SX ones were dlc coated alum.
yes the lower tubes are aluminum and require frequent replacement. You can rent 2 fork pairs in the new program (think it was 10k per year + service). But general WP service centers are not allowed to service them, only WP themselves in Cali and Austria.
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11/9/2018 11:38am Edited Date/Time 11/9/2018 11:39am
Monk wrote:
What's the XACT forks?
AJ565 wrote:
You know how you think your wife is hot and then you meet her younger even hotter sister who’s bi and can put her ankles behind...
You know how you think your wife is hot and then you meet her younger even hotter sister who’s bi and can put her ankles behind her head? That’s what XACT is, the younger hotter sister.
flopper12 wrote:
My wife has a sister like that. Lots of tattoo's and a big ole booty. That ragin' bitch is fun to look at though.
My wife was the younger, hotter sister that did all those things.
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11/9/2018 11:38am Edited Date/Time 11/9/2018 11:45am
They are and have been aluminum lowers, and that is the "excuse" we have gotten for over a decade that the service life is iffy. Yet the factory teams mount them on every MX/SX bike every year, and we've never witnessed a failure in Pro racing. They have never had DLC lowers because it doesn't work properly on aluminum, and the uppers have rarely been hard coated or kashima'd, presumably they don't need it as much due to lower flex rates? That is one of the ways to tell from a distance what they are rather than conventional cone valves.

If we are going to rule out aluminum for the masses, what do we do with frames and swingarms and hubs etc?

My point is this, if KYB's factory works setup uses 50mm (with steel DLC lowers), and WP's best is 52mm, why/when will this long accepted development (thousand of hours and only available to factory riders) be the next advancement in production forks, if even for a special edition model? If one of the big fads is kit suspension, when will it be available without having to pay for 2 sets and sell the stockers to get it done? Not something that is "based on" or almost like it, but the real thing? Instead of $5k for a kit, if it was production it would be maybe $2k more with the credit for stock production volume, similar to the KR94 edition?

Why is it that forks are the one of the weakest links in production bikes, with most accepting and assuming that it is normal to use tuners, coatings and full kits to get them right for each rider in spite of a multitude of adjustment methods?
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They are and have been aluminum lowers, and that is the "excuse" we have gotten for over a decade that the service life is iffy. Yet...
They are and have been aluminum lowers, and that is the "excuse" we have gotten for over a decade that the service life is iffy. Yet the factory teams mount them on every MX/SX bike every year, and we've never witnessed a failure in Pro racing. They have never had DLC lowers because it doesn't work properly on aluminum, and the uppers have rarely been hard coated or kashima'd, presumably they don't need it as much due to lower flex rates? That is one of the ways to tell from a distance what they are rather than conventional cone valves.

If we are going to rule out aluminum for the masses, what do we do with frames and swingarms and hubs etc?

My point is this, if KYB's factory works setup uses 50mm (with steel DLC lowers), and WP's best is 52mm, why/when will this long accepted development (thousand of hours and only available to factory riders) be the next advancement in production forks, if even for a special edition model? If one of the big fads is kit suspension, when will it be available without having to pay for 2 sets and sell the stockers to get it done? Not something that is "based on" or almost like it, but the real thing? Instead of $5k for a kit, if it was production it would be maybe $2k more with the credit for stock production volume, similar to the KR94 edition?

Why is it that forks are the one of the weakest links in production bikes, with most accepting and assuming that it is normal to use tuners, coatings and full kits to get them right for each rider in spite of a multitude of adjustment methods?
You don't see a failure because they replace their parts very often. The spring tubes on the 52s are carbon fiber with some sort of adhesive that attaches the spring seat to the tube. A WP tech once mentioned they have to re-do the adhesive every ten hours or so or they can separate...

Why would you say the forks are the weak link of stock bike? The current stock Showa internals and basically the same as the works version, KYB is in the same boat...WP's 48mm CV internals are the same as the ones in the 52 other than the spring tube difference.
11/9/2018 11:43am
AJ565 wrote:
You know how you think your wife is hot and then you meet her younger even hotter sister who’s bi and can put her ankles behind...
You know how you think your wife is hot and then you meet her younger even hotter sister who’s bi and can put her ankles behind her head? That’s what XACT is, the younger hotter sister.
flopper12 wrote:
My wife has a sister like that. Lots of tattoo's and a big ole booty. That ragin' bitch is fun to look at though.
kNewc wrote:
My wife was the younger, hotter sister that did all those things.
nice catch Woohoo
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AJ565 wrote:
You know how you think your wife is hot and then you meet her younger even hotter sister who’s bi and can put her ankles behind...
You know how you think your wife is hot and then you meet her younger even hotter sister who’s bi and can put her ankles behind her head? That’s what XACT is, the younger hotter sister.
flopper12 wrote:
My wife has a sister like that. Lots of tattoo's and a big ole booty. That ragin' bitch is fun to look at though.
kNewc wrote:
My wife was the younger, hotter sister that did all those things.
"was"?
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flopper12 wrote:
My wife has a sister like that. Lots of tattoo's and a big ole booty. That ragin' bitch is fun to look at though.
kNewc wrote:
My wife was the younger, hotter sister that did all those things.
mx317 wrote:
"was"?
Few possible scenarios.

1- Divorced
2- Married, let herself go and gained a few pounds.
3- Older sister got an overhaul and is now the hot sister.
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kNewc wrote:
My wife was the younger, hotter sister that did all those things.
mx317 wrote:
"was"?
-MAVERICK- wrote:
Few possible scenarios. 1- Divorced 2- Married, let herself go and gained a few pounds. 3- Older sister got an overhaul and is now the hot...
Few possible scenarios.

1- Divorced
2- Married, let herself go and gained a few pounds.
3- Older sister got an overhaul and is now the hot sister.
#2. Married and calmed down. She did gain a few pounds but not enough for me to say "she let herself go" but more like "she let her tits get huge".
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11/9/2018 12:01pm Edited Date/Time 11/9/2018 12:07pm
They are and have been aluminum lowers, and that is the "excuse" we have gotten for over a decade that the service life is iffy. Yet...
They are and have been aluminum lowers, and that is the "excuse" we have gotten for over a decade that the service life is iffy. Yet the factory teams mount them on every MX/SX bike every year, and we've never witnessed a failure in Pro racing. They have never had DLC lowers because it doesn't work properly on aluminum, and the uppers have rarely been hard coated or kashima'd, presumably they don't need it as much due to lower flex rates? That is one of the ways to tell from a distance what they are rather than conventional cone valves.

If we are going to rule out aluminum for the masses, what do we do with frames and swingarms and hubs etc?

My point is this, if KYB's factory works setup uses 50mm (with steel DLC lowers), and WP's best is 52mm, why/when will this long accepted development (thousand of hours and only available to factory riders) be the next advancement in production forks, if even for a special edition model? If one of the big fads is kit suspension, when will it be available without having to pay for 2 sets and sell the stockers to get it done? Not something that is "based on" or almost like it, but the real thing? Instead of $5k for a kit, if it was production it would be maybe $2k more with the credit for stock production volume, similar to the KR94 edition?

Why is it that forks are the one of the weakest links in production bikes, with most accepting and assuming that it is normal to use tuners, coatings and full kits to get them right for each rider in spite of a multitude of adjustment methods?
ML512 wrote:
You don't see a failure because they replace their parts very often. The spring tubes on the 52s are carbon fiber with some sort of adhesive...
You don't see a failure because they replace their parts very often. The spring tubes on the 52s are carbon fiber with some sort of adhesive that attaches the spring seat to the tube. A WP tech once mentioned they have to re-do the adhesive every ten hours or so or they can separate...

Why would you say the forks are the weak link of stock bike? The current stock Showa internals and basically the same as the works version, KYB is in the same boat...WP's 48mm CV internals are the same as the ones in the 52 other than the spring tube difference.
Very interesting about glue and such, carbon fiber spring tubes and aluminum lowers may be works only products, but steel lowers should still work (with a weight penalty) if that's what it takes. It seems that many private owners have also run the 52's without the extreme parts replacement program the factory specifies.

I say that about forks being a weak link because there is an entire industry (within a niche industry) that survives off of tuning forks and shocks, and selling massive upgrades and kits. Most OEM's are not giving us the developments they have learned that work like large diameter tubes and friction reduction. Instead they gave us air forks which has now run it's course back to springs. I realize that it is custom and expensive and there are wear parts and maintenance involved. I believe there is a market for kit suspension off the showroom, but not for $5k more. The KR94 version is the closest I have seen, and the Kawasaki forks with DLC, and the Gas Gas GP with the technical touch KYB's. None of those blew the price up. I'm specifically targeting KTM/Husky Factory Editions.
11/9/2018 12:04pm
mx317 wrote:
"was"?
-MAVERICK- wrote:
Few possible scenarios. 1- Divorced 2- Married, let herself go and gained a few pounds. 3- Older sister got an overhaul and is now the hot...
Few possible scenarios.

1- Divorced
2- Married, let herself go and gained a few pounds.
3- Older sister got an overhaul and is now the hot sister.
kNewc wrote:
#2. Married and calmed down. She did gain a few pounds but not enough for me to say "she let herself go" but more like "she...
#2. Married and calmed down. She did gain a few pounds but not enough for me to say "she let herself go" but more like "she let her tits get huge".
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