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Watching Dungey, Villipoto, Poucel, etc its a shame there are lappers lining up on the 20 rider SX main gates instead of them. At their advanced ages of late 20's I get they don't have the grit to race full motocross series and don't need the money. Dungey looks to be in better shape than most of the current riders.

If they separated the sports (MX and SX) there would be longer careers, less lappers and better fan experience.
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These "lappers" you so highly speak of are normal dudes like me and you trying to make a living. If Dungey, Villopoto etc want to retire then let them, be glad the SX and MX gates are full and not missing about 25 riders like in the GP's!
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Gandorlf wrote:
These "lappers" you so highly speak of are normal dudes like me and you trying to make a living. If Dungey, Villopoto etc want to retire...
These "lappers" you so highly speak of are normal dudes like me and you trying to make a living. If Dungey, Villopoto etc want to retire then let them, be glad the SX and MX gates are full and not missing about 25 riders like in the GP's!
I'm sorry. I thought this should be a professional sport where "all" 20 riders on the gate had a chance of winning the event. My bad. How many riders do the GP's have on the gates?
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Gandorlf wrote:
These "lappers" you so highly speak of are normal dudes like me and you trying to make a living. If Dungey, Villopoto etc want to retire...
These "lappers" you so highly speak of are normal dudes like me and you trying to make a living. If Dungey, Villopoto etc want to retire then let them, be glad the SX and MX gates are full and not missing about 25 riders like in the GP's!
Frank wrote:
I'm sorry. I thought this should be a professional sport where "all" 20 riders on the gate had a chance of winning the event. My bad...
I'm sorry. I thought this should be a professional sport where "all" 20 riders on the gate had a chance of winning the event. My bad. How many riders do the GP's have on the gates?
It is a professional sport where everyone has a chance of winning. I don't know why you would think that certain riders are only allowed to win. This isn't a movie script.

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10/21/2018 11:48am Edited Date/Time 10/21/2018 12:25pm
I know its offseason but cmon, threads are getting worse every day. Make it stop pls
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good or bad, dont bring new ideas here,
its a closed loop of narrow minded bigotry and they like it..
remember
sx is the best sport in the world and doesnt need any changes..
repeat...
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Gandorlf wrote:
These "lappers" you so highly speak of are normal dudes like me and you trying to make a living. If Dungey, Villopoto etc want to retire...
These "lappers" you so highly speak of are normal dudes like me and you trying to make a living. If Dungey, Villopoto etc want to retire then let them, be glad the SX and MX gates are full and not missing about 25 riders like in the GP's!
Frank wrote:
I'm sorry. I thought this should be a professional sport where "all" 20 riders on the gate had a chance of winning the event. My bad...
I'm sorry. I thought this should be a professional sport where "all" 20 riders on the gate had a chance of winning the event. My bad. How many riders do the GP's have on the gates?
How many NHL teams have a chance at the Stanley Cup?

How many NFL teams have a chance at the Superbowl?

How many MLB teams have a chance at the World Series?

How many NBA teams have a chance at the NBA Finals?

How many NASCAR teams/drivers have a shot at the NASCAR Cup ?

Should every sports league in the world get rid of a bunch of teams and players and limit them to 6 teams composed of the best players so all of them have a shot at winning? Because after all it's professional sports and everyone should have a chance at winning.

GTFO here man.
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Gandorlf wrote:
These "lappers" you so highly speak of are normal dudes like me and you trying to make a living. If Dungey, Villopoto etc want to retire...
These "lappers" you so highly speak of are normal dudes like me and you trying to make a living. If Dungey, Villopoto etc want to retire then let them, be glad the SX and MX gates are full and not missing about 25 riders like in the GP's!
Frank wrote:
I'm sorry. I thought this should be a professional sport where "all" 20 riders on the gate had a chance of winning the event. My bad...
I'm sorry. I thought this should be a professional sport where "all" 20 riders on the gate had a chance of winning the event. My bad. How many riders do the GP's have on the gates?
It is a grassroots, participant niche sport and you should be thankful. The minute any sport goes mainstream, the soul is sucked out of it by everyone wanting a piece of the $$$. Pretty soon you end up with NASCAR, etc, etc. Once-great sports get watered down into mainstream bullshit.

One of the things I like about moto is that it’s like a big middle finger to most of society whose greatest excitement is a second cup of coffee with their Sunday paper.
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10/21/2018 11:53am Edited Date/Time 10/21/2018 11:55am
Gandorlf wrote:
These "lappers" you so highly speak of are normal dudes like me and you trying to make a living. If Dungey, Villopoto etc want to retire...
These "lappers" you so highly speak of are normal dudes like me and you trying to make a living. If Dungey, Villopoto etc want to retire then let them, be glad the SX and MX gates are full and not missing about 25 riders like in the GP's!
Frank wrote:
I'm sorry. I thought this should be a professional sport where "all" 20 riders on the gate had a chance of winning the event. My bad...
I'm sorry. I thought this should be a professional sport where "all" 20 riders on the gate had a chance of winning the event. My bad. How many riders do the GP's have on the gates?
Gandorlf wrote:
It is a professional sport where everyone has a chance of winning. I don't know why you would think that certain riders are only allowed to...
It is a professional sport where everyone has a chance of winning. I don't know why you would think that certain riders are only allowed to win. This isn't a movie script.

10 (out of 20) get lapped at every round. How is this lost on you?
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Go qualify to be on the line at a National...
Go qualify to make the evening program at an SX...
Until then...just...stop.
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Gandorlf wrote:
These "lappers" you so highly speak of are normal dudes like me and you trying to make a living. If Dungey, Villopoto etc want to retire...
These "lappers" you so highly speak of are normal dudes like me and you trying to make a living. If Dungey, Villopoto etc want to retire then let them, be glad the SX and MX gates are full and not missing about 25 riders like in the GP's!
Frank wrote:
I'm sorry. I thought this should be a professional sport where "all" 20 riders on the gate had a chance of winning the event. My bad...
I'm sorry. I thought this should be a professional sport where "all" 20 riders on the gate had a chance of winning the event. My bad. How many riders do the GP's have on the gates?
can you name 1 sport where every team has a legitimate chance of winning their titles? Like can the raiders or the browns have a legitimate chance of winning the superbowl? No. Theres winners and losers in everything.
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matze wrote:
I know its offseason but cmon, threads are getting worse every day. Make it stop pls
Time for another poster with a laundry fetish, lol...
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10/21/2018 11:56am Edited Date/Time 10/21/2018 11:57am
Gandorlf wrote:
These "lappers" you so highly speak of are normal dudes like me and you trying to make a living. If Dungey, Villopoto etc want to retire...
These "lappers" you so highly speak of are normal dudes like me and you trying to make a living. If Dungey, Villopoto etc want to retire then let them, be glad the SX and MX gates are full and not missing about 25 riders like in the GP's!
Frank wrote:
I'm sorry. I thought this should be a professional sport where "all" 20 riders on the gate had a chance of winning the event. My bad...
I'm sorry. I thought this should be a professional sport where "all" 20 riders on the gate had a chance of winning the event. My bad. How many riders do the GP's have on the gates?
kb228 wrote:
can you name 1 sport where every team has a legitimate chance of winning their titles? Like can the raiders or the browns have a legitimate...
can you name 1 sport where every team has a legitimate chance of winning their titles? Like can the raiders or the browns have a legitimate chance of winning the superbowl? No. Theres winners and losers in everything.
Even the Raiders will win 1 game each year.
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matze wrote:
I know its offseason but cmon, threads are getting worse every day. Make it stop pls
2 1/2 month to go until Supercross. Sadly, get used to it.
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Gandorlf wrote:
These "lappers" you so highly speak of are normal dudes like me and you trying to make a living. If Dungey, Villopoto etc want to retire...
These "lappers" you so highly speak of are normal dudes like me and you trying to make a living. If Dungey, Villopoto etc want to retire then let them, be glad the SX and MX gates are full and not missing about 25 riders like in the GP's!
Frank wrote:
I'm sorry. I thought this should be a professional sport where "all" 20 riders on the gate had a chance of winning the event. My bad...
I'm sorry. I thought this should be a professional sport where "all" 20 riders on the gate had a chance of winning the event. My bad. How many riders do the GP's have on the gates?
-MAVERICK- wrote:
How many NHL teams have a chance at the Stanley Cup? How many NFL teams have a chance at the Superbowl? How many MLB teams have...
How many NHL teams have a chance at the Stanley Cup?

How many NFL teams have a chance at the Superbowl?

How many MLB teams have a chance at the World Series?

How many NBA teams have a chance at the NBA Finals?

How many NASCAR teams/drivers have a shot at the NASCAR Cup ?

Should every sports league in the world get rid of a bunch of teams and players and limit them to 6 teams composed of the best players so all of them have a shot at winning? Because after all it's professional sports and everyone should have a chance at winning.

GTFO here man.
Do 50% of every team you just mentioned go an entire year without a single win?
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Frank wrote:
I'm sorry. I thought this should be a professional sport where "all" 20 riders on the gate had a chance of winning the event. My bad...
I'm sorry. I thought this should be a professional sport where "all" 20 riders on the gate had a chance of winning the event. My bad. How many riders do the GP's have on the gates?
kb228 wrote:
can you name 1 sport where every team has a legitimate chance of winning their titles? Like can the raiders or the browns have a legitimate...
can you name 1 sport where every team has a legitimate chance of winning their titles? Like can the raiders or the browns have a legitimate chance of winning the superbowl? No. Theres winners and losers in everything.
Frank wrote:
Even the Raiders will win 1 game each year.
Cant use individual games. Theyre playing 1 other team. Motorsports are against 20+.

Try this one, does a 15th place qualifier have a chance of beating rossi? Nope.
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Frank wrote:
I'm sorry. I thought this should be a professional sport where "all" 20 riders on the gate had a chance of winning the event. My bad...
I'm sorry. I thought this should be a professional sport where "all" 20 riders on the gate had a chance of winning the event. My bad. How many riders do the GP's have on the gates?
kb228 wrote:
can you name 1 sport where every team has a legitimate chance of winning their titles? Like can the raiders or the browns have a legitimate...
can you name 1 sport where every team has a legitimate chance of winning their titles? Like can the raiders or the browns have a legitimate chance of winning the superbowl? No. Theres winners and losers in everything.
Frank wrote:
Even the Raiders will win 1 game each year.
Yeah, but the point of all those games is to get to the Superbowl. No chance at that so might as well forfeit the entire season. Right?
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omalley wrote:
It is a grassroots, participant niche sport and you should be thankful. The minute any sport goes mainstream, the soul is sucked out of it by...
It is a grassroots, participant niche sport and you should be thankful. The minute any sport goes mainstream, the soul is sucked out of it by everyone wanting a piece of the $$$. Pretty soon you end up with NASCAR, etc, etc. Once-great sports get watered down into mainstream bullshit.

One of the things I like about moto is that it’s like a big middle finger to most of society whose greatest excitement is a second cup of coffee with their Sunday paper.
An up vote is simply not enough for this one.
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kb228 wrote:
can you name 1 sport where every team has a legitimate chance of winning their titles? Like can the raiders or the browns have a legitimate...
can you name 1 sport where every team has a legitimate chance of winning their titles? Like can the raiders or the browns have a legitimate chance of winning the superbowl? No. Theres winners and losers in everything.
Frank wrote:
Even the Raiders will win 1 game each year.
-MAVERICK- wrote:
Yeah, but the point of all those games is to get to the Superbowl. No chance at that so might as well forfeit the entire season...
Yeah, but the point of all those games is to get to the Superbowl. No chance at that so might as well forfeit the entire season. Right?
You are correct and that is what 10 out 20 riders do every round of SX.
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Gandorlf wrote:
It is a professional sport where everyone has a chance of winning. I don't know why you would think that certain riders are only allowed to...
It is a professional sport where everyone has a chance of winning. I don't know why you would think that certain riders are only allowed to win. This isn't a movie script.

Not a movie script? Guess you missed the MEC? Laughing





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What's sad is how burnt out some of those guys were just a short while back and how much they seemed to hate the sport. But roll out the 2 strokes and it's all smiles. Wink
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You are complaining about competitors on the gate? Serious question, would you be happier watching a 5 bike race? Realistically that’s about how many have a chance at winning.
I don’t see the problem with lappers any more than a set of whoops or rhythm section...it’s all part of the race.
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yall are wierd as fuck.. why support guys that just get in the way and ruin the actual race while there getting lapped and just rolling around... if your 10+ seconds a lap slower wtf is the point? so you can stroke your ego and say you lined up with guys that youll never compare too? thats fulfilling dreams? its like a C guy thinking hes hot shit cuz he raced the A class.

and speaking of sports teams never have a chance at winning. what a joke. lmao.. ALL NFL teams have a shot at winning the super bowl. and most teams have... no team starts the season with everyone knowing for a fact they dont have any chance.. even the browns had some hype to start the year with all their new players... but half the gate we know for a fact couldnt win a single race, even with a 30 second head start. shit a lot of them would even be lucky to score a damn point...


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Frank wrote:
I'm sorry. I thought this should be a professional sport where "all" 20 riders on the gate had a chance of winning the event. My bad...
I'm sorry. I thought this should be a professional sport where "all" 20 riders on the gate had a chance of winning the event. My bad. How many riders do the GP's have on the gates?
-MAVERICK- wrote:
How many NHL teams have a chance at the Stanley Cup? How many NFL teams have a chance at the Superbowl? How many MLB teams have...
How many NHL teams have a chance at the Stanley Cup?

How many NFL teams have a chance at the Superbowl?

How many MLB teams have a chance at the World Series?

How many NBA teams have a chance at the NBA Finals?

How many NASCAR teams/drivers have a shot at the NASCAR Cup ?

Should every sports league in the world get rid of a bunch of teams and players and limit them to 6 teams composed of the best players so all of them have a shot at winning? Because after all it's professional sports and everyone should have a chance at winning.

GTFO here man.
Frank wrote:
Do 50% of every team you just mentioned go an entire year without a single win?
Plenty of teams in motorsports never win a race let alone a championship and they spend multi-millions of dollars on it each year.

More than 50% of them never win shit.

Sure in team sports they win games, even the worst teams will get a win but like I previously mentioned the end goal of playing all those games is to get to the championship game in win that.

By your standards they should get rid of plenty of teams/players because they don't stand a chance at the championship. All those single games and single game wins don't mean anything if your team doesn't make the playoffs and move on to the championship game.
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
How many NHL teams have a chance at the Stanley Cup? How many NFL teams have a chance at the Superbowl? How many MLB teams have...
How many NHL teams have a chance at the Stanley Cup?

How many NFL teams have a chance at the Superbowl?

How many MLB teams have a chance at the World Series?

How many NBA teams have a chance at the NBA Finals?

How many NASCAR teams/drivers have a shot at the NASCAR Cup ?

Should every sports league in the world get rid of a bunch of teams and players and limit them to 6 teams composed of the best players so all of them have a shot at winning? Because after all it's professional sports and everyone should have a chance at winning.

GTFO here man.
Frank wrote:
Do 50% of every team you just mentioned go an entire year without a single win?
-MAVERICK- wrote:
Plenty of teams in motorsports never win a race let alone a championship and they spend multi-millions of dollars on it each year. More than 50%...
Plenty of teams in motorsports never win a race let alone a championship and they spend multi-millions of dollars on it each year.

More than 50% of them never win shit.

Sure in team sports they win games, even the worst teams will get a win but like I previously mentioned the end goal of playing all those games is to get to the championship game in win that.

By your standards they should get rid of plenty of teams/players because they don't stand a chance at the championship. All those single games and single game wins don't mean anything if your team doesn't make the playoffs and move on to the championship game.
they do get rid of plenty of players??? so wtf are you talking about?
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10/21/2018 12:46pm Edited Date/Time 10/21/2018 12:48pm
Frank wrote:
Do 50% of every team you just mentioned go an entire year without a single win?
-MAVERICK- wrote:
Plenty of teams in motorsports never win a race let alone a championship and they spend multi-millions of dollars on it each year. More than 50%...
Plenty of teams in motorsports never win a race let alone a championship and they spend multi-millions of dollars on it each year.

More than 50% of them never win shit.

Sure in team sports they win games, even the worst teams will get a win but like I previously mentioned the end goal of playing all those games is to get to the championship game in win that.

By your standards they should get rid of plenty of teams/players because they don't stand a chance at the championship. All those single games and single game wins don't mean anything if your team doesn't make the playoffs and move on to the championship game.
iBobbyb wrote:
they do get rid of plenty of players??? so wtf are you talking about?
I mean before the season starts. By OP's standard they should get rid of teams and players since they don't stand a chance. Why bother competing in all those games?

Limit the teams to a maximum of 6 with all the best players. That's the thinking OP has. "Because everyone should have a chance at winning."
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Comparing this to NFL is ludicrous. Salary caps, etc play a major role in how teams perform. SX has only team sponsor budgets as caps, privateers are hosed compared to factory teams. Always will be. Without privateers, the event purse would be an even bigger joke, so pick your poison. Have only contenders and race for pennies? Or have the lappers and race for quarters.
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
Plenty of teams in motorsports never win a race let alone a championship and they spend multi-millions of dollars on it each year. More than 50%...
Plenty of teams in motorsports never win a race let alone a championship and they spend multi-millions of dollars on it each year.

More than 50% of them never win shit.

Sure in team sports they win games, even the worst teams will get a win but like I previously mentioned the end goal of playing all those games is to get to the championship game in win that.

By your standards they should get rid of plenty of teams/players because they don't stand a chance at the championship. All those single games and single game wins don't mean anything if your team doesn't make the playoffs and move on to the championship game.
iBobbyb wrote:
they do get rid of plenty of players??? so wtf are you talking about?
-MAVERICK- wrote:
I mean before the season starts. By OP's standard they should get rid of teams and players since they don't stand a chance. Why bother competing...
I mean before the season starts. By OP's standard they should get rid of teams and players since they don't stand a chance. Why bother competing in all those games?

Limit the teams to a maximum of 6 with all the best players. That's the thinking OP has. "Because everyone should have a chance at winning."
they do cuts during the preseason. change players during the season. trades. etc. lots of players are gotten rid of because they dont stand a chance.. the best comparison here would be Quarterbacks. if a team thinks they cant win a superbowl with their quaterback they get rid of him.

but the biggest difference here is the fact that in racing when your way slower than the top guys, you end up in the way which can cause lots of different problems.. i mean how often do you hear them on the podium complaining about lappers. why are we punishing the very best? so guys who just flat out arent at the same level as the top guys can get some weird ego boost? seriously.. how is it a good thing to punish the very top guys? please explain.
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This has to be one of the most stupidest post i have seen on vital in a long time...

Frank mate... Its a sport. there's winners and theirs losers.

Heck the guys on 20th place still have a better career path then most of us... Well having more fun any way.




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Gandorlf wrote:
It is a professional sport where everyone has a chance of winning. I don't know why you would think that certain riders are only allowed to...
It is a professional sport where everyone has a chance of winning. I don't know why you would think that certain riders are only allowed to win. This isn't a movie script.

Are you new to motorsports or something
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iBobbyb wrote:
yall are wierd as fuck.. why support guys that just get in the way and ruin the actual race while there getting lapped and just rolling...
yall are wierd as fuck.. why support guys that just get in the way and ruin the actual race while there getting lapped and just rolling around... if your 10+ seconds a lap slower wtf is the point? so you can stroke your ego and say you lined up with guys that youll never compare too? thats fulfilling dreams? its like a C guy thinking hes hot shit cuz he raced the A class.

and speaking of sports teams never have a chance at winning. what a joke. lmao.. ALL NFL teams have a shot at winning the super bowl. and most teams have... no team starts the season with everyone knowing for a fact they dont have any chance.. even the browns had some hype to start the year with all their new players... but half the gate we know for a fact couldnt win a single race, even with a 30 second head start. shit a lot of them would even be lucky to score a damn point...


That's How they get Better and Try to improve and someday compete for wins ,
Personally I always thought if you want to tighten the racing and make it so some guys arent 5 to 10 seconds a lap faster
Let them all run stock bikes ,
Factory bikes are making them 5 to 10 seconds a lap faster,
And I'm not saying the top guys aren't Better I know they are, But take guys that are already faster better Riders and then Put them on way better bikes too, and wonder why the others are getting in the way.
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