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Nor has he proved himself in the fastest MOTOCROSS series in the world.
Herlings CAN claim himself as the fastest MOTOCROSS rider on the planet.
So Tomac has everything to prove, Herlings doesn't.
The GP's have been the stronger series for several years now.
The AMA series has a strong top 5, but then its typical national riders & then slow privateers often 20 secs per laps slower. Sometimes getting double lapped.
Have you ever been to a dutch national ? You might be surprised how stacked the top 10 is.
A rider like Barcia, Baggett, could easily be pushed out side the top 8.
Truth is many national series are fast & have some world class guys at the front.
The only difference is every other country sends their top guys to the international, where as USA doesnt.
Guess which country is being left behind....
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1 - 84 Jeffrey Herlings
2 - 461 Romain Febvre
3 - 21 Gautier Paulin
4 - 24 Shaun Simpson
5 - 259 Glenn Coldenhoff
6 - 151 Harri Kullas
7 - 41 Filip Bengtsson
8 - 141 Maxime Desprey
9 - 77 Alessandro Lupino
10 - 99 Max Anstie
Just sayin’
Winning MXON has nothing to do with the nationals you race ,
if so the dutch nationals would be considerd the best in world at this moment ... Coldenhoff , Herlings , Paulin , Febvre ,Nagl etc etc all race dutch nationals ..
let em come over , doubt they would podium on the beautiful dutch sand tracks
Herlings is the world champ and just EMBARRASSED our fastest guys, that means he is the fastest man in motocross.
I wouldn't just say Herlings embarrassed us because Coldenhoff did as well. Can we really call Herlings the fastest guy though? Hoff did beat him straight up the last race at MXdN
Having said that, as a fan I like having SX and MX series in the US and hope there is a healthy focus on both in the future.
GP guys miss out on purse money, but but that's $12,000, pretty much nothing compared to everything else.
Herlings made more money this year than any US rider.
As in does a racer that wins both the Supercross and AMA outdoor title make more than someone who wins the MXGP title? or does MXGP cover both?
Actually a real question with no set up or comeback ready. Figured I have to type that with all the shit flinging going on.
I used to think you were one of the level headed guys. Enjoy.
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you think putting it as a "real question " it should not be considered trolling .... lol..... sneaky
and getting offensive right away says enough ...
I still think that the top 10 AMA regulars would do better, over a complete series, in a foreign championship, than the top 10 riders from that championship would fare in the AMA Nationals.
My original point was more about how the EU-based fans consider MXGP one step above all their national championships (rightfully so,) and therefore equate the US Nationals with their own nationals (i.e., one step below MXGP.) It is my belief that the AMA Nationals are still more on par with MXGP than they are against the national series of EU countries.
And to say Herlings made more than any US rider, I'd really like to see the numbers if you have them like DPR250R was asking. I honestly can't find them and am just curious. No need to jump down anyones throat for asking that. I read an article a while back on him resigning with KTM where the manager said he sacrificed pay because he wanted to keep his same team around him and just focus on winning (which I respect a lot) and that there were other riders not as good making more than him. And Tomac just made another 1M (that's a lot of money at an SX based event) not including bonuses. So if it would be interesting to know, if you guys do have some info on the matter. If Herlings or anyone else is making that much money over there I think we will see many more US riders over there trying to give it a shot soon. And yes I know some people consider the MEC a "sideshow" because they do everything so different but it seems to have been making headway each year. And I think it's bad ass watching the superminis and allstars go after it. Again, racing is racing.
I like watching SX, US Outdoors, MXGP, Loretta's, ALL OF IT. People should have their favorite riders and fight for them (verbally) if they are true fans, but don't hate on the different series. The difference in location between ET3 and JH87 have given the sport A TON of attention and I think that is awesome. I honestly don't think as many people would have tuned in to the MXON had they both not been there. The fan rivalry keeps the sport fun and alive. I will always root for Eli because he has always been my favorite since his 85 days on the Suzuki. Before I even knew of Jeffrey. But do I think Jeff is a beast as well? Hell yeah. He's crushing it right now. And I think it's fun to banter with people on here every now and then, as a lot of you do since there is a thread about this multiple times a day. But we are still all a part of the moto family. Let's just love the sport as a whole and keep it fun for cryin out loud.
So you think he's gonna steal Herlings' bike?
Herlings probably has a base contract with KTM for 3 to 3.5 million plus he won at least a million for the MXGP title and around 1.7 for his 17 GP wins. A stars is proabably close to a million as well plus all the other bonuses he got. He made at least 6.5 million this year which is probably more than most of you all think assuming his win/championship bonsus are in line with the AMA series.
Tomacs base is in the same range as Herlings espiaclly when you consider he hit a title clause in his contract last year raising his salary this year. He won 16 total races 1.6 million plus you get the purse bonsus/ heat race bonuses, etc for at least another 200k. At least a million for the MX title another million from A stars plus all his other personal sponsers and bonuses. Puts him at least 6.5 million just like Herlings but then a week after the Des Nations he won a million bucks which puts him over the top. And made him undoubtly the highest paid rider in the world. It was close before the MEC i would assume real close but after MEC its undisputed.
In the GPs you have 20 chances for win bonuses in the AMA you have 29. You have one championship bonus in the GPs and you have two in the AMA plus a race where 3 guys won a million in one night. It's pure numbers game and that's why you can make more in the AMA even if everything is equal otherwise.
Those numbers are pretty close as I know what these guys were getting for bonuses about 4-5 years ago and some of the clauses they had in contracts.
PS, RV made more than all these guys 5 years ago in 2013, that's the beauty of winning the double (SX/MX) in the same year. Just for a reference.
Herlings at least from a pure MX standpoint he just made more than anyone ever, but in a sense his opportunitys are more limited than an AMA rider. Due to leaving a potential 3 million in bonsus off the table. If I was Herlings I would get the hell out of the huge tax countries that punish you for being the best of the best and go live In Monaco or tax friendly Switzerland because we all know he is paying more in taxes than Tomac.
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